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Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 312	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:19:00 - [1] - Quote We were told constantly during Beta 1.0 that vehicles in Dust would not be free. Instead, Ambush maps are nothing but free LAV spam.
Byozuma Kegawa The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 76	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:27:00 - [2] - Quote Because there are still new players and new players get free dropsuits, so why not free LAVs?
StubbyDucky KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote Because!
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 42	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:29:00 - [4] - Quote One thing - make millitia LAVs killable by one proto nade - Madrugar takes only three, a fee LAV takes 2
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 313	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:29:00 - [5] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Because there are still new players and new players get free dropsuits, so why not free LAVs? Why not free tanks? Why not free Dropships? Why not free orbitals?
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 463	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:29:00 - [6] - Quote better question. Why can the free LAVs take an ADV packed nade and then drive off like it was nothing?
Mocha Biscotti Red Star. EoN. 29	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:29:00 - [7] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Because there are still new players and new players get free dropsuits, so why not free LAVs? Does this mean CCP can turn off the free lavs once they leave the academy?? That way I wouldnt have to deal with them anymore!! yay~
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 313	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:31:00 - [8] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: better question. Why can the free LAVs take an ADV packed nade and then drive off like it was nothing? Yeah, at least you were able to punish LAV spammers with AV grenades. Now, not so much.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:31:00 - [9] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: We were told constantly during Beta 1.0 that vehicles in Dust would not be free. Instead, Ambush maps are nothing but free LAV spam. Skill up for forge guns. Stop complaining about a problem you can't bother yourself to take care of.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 313	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:33:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Abron Garr wrote: We were told constantly during Beta 1.0 that vehicles in Dust would not be free. Instead, Ambush maps are nothing but free LAV spam. Skill up for forge guns. Stop complaining about a problem you can't bother yourself to take care of. Why do you skill up for LAVs instead of using the free ones to run over people like a mongoloid.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4059	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:35:00 - [11] - Quote Same reason there are still "free" dropsuit fittings. If you have a problem with free LAV spam, then use your free swarm launcher fit to deal with them instead of just whining. They're easy points, especially when you combined the swarm launcher with cheap standard AV grenades. Infantry gets 4 starter dropsuit fits and no one complains, but vehicle users get one free LAV fitting and people constantly whine about it.
Callidus Vanus BetaMax. CRONOS. 58	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:38:00 - [12] - Quote If people would just look both ways before crossing the street then the road toll in Dust would be greatly reduced. Seriously people its a giant car, if you didn't see it coming then you need to work on your spacial awareness. Free lav's are not op.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Unclaimed. 255	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:38:00 - [13] - Quote Free LAVs were primarily used to get around the map faster. Now, they are murder taxis. Sweet, delicious, murder taxis.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 313	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:39:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Same reason there are still "free" dropsuit fittings. If you have a problem with free LAV spam, then use your free swarm launcher fit to deal with them instead of just whining. They're easy points, especially when you combined the swarm launcher with cheap standard AV grenades. Infantry gets 4 starter dropsuit fits and no one complains, but vehicle users get one free LAV fitting and people constantly whine about it. There wasn't much "whining" about it when AV grenades instapopped LAVs. Now all they're used for is to mow people down.
Celestial Emperor Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:39:00 - [15] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Abron Garr wrote: We were told constantly during Beta 1.0 that vehicles in Dust would not be free. Instead, Ambush maps are nothing but free LAV spam. Skill up for forge guns. Stop complaining about a problem you can't bother yourself to take care of. Why don't you skill up for LAVs instead of using the free ones to run over people like a mongoloid. So you're complaining that some people use every weapon at their disposal? I never cross any open ground if I can't immediately hide behind something to avoid such ignoble deaths and any player who is even remotely close to decent would too. Anyone not being constantly alert for LAVs and being in an area where an LAV can take them out deserves to die.
VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 179	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:41:00 - [16] - Quote Free LAV's need to go, but CCP probably won't do it because it's logical and doing so would mean they actually kept their promises.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 153	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:44:00 - [17] - Quote I'm guessing CCP is trying to get some more AV guys out there. The hacked Exo teaser and free LAVs seem like a message to the public. Proto tanks are coming, if you are having trouble with LAVs, what are you going to do when there are real vehicles rolling around? If the community cant handle a few teeny tiny jeeps, these forums will be filled with tears when the Big Boys roll out. There will be pleading and begging and crying. Why should they have to nerf something we can easily deal with?
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 313	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:45:00 - [18] - Quote Celestial Emperor wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Abron Garr wrote: We were told constantly during Beta 1.0 that vehicles in Dust would not be free. Instead, Ambush maps are nothing but free LAV spam. Skill up for forge guns. Stop complaining about a problem you can't bother yourself to take care of. Why don't you skill up for LAVs instead of using the free ones to run over people like a mongoloid. So you're complaining that some people use every weapon at their disposal? I never cross any open ground if I can't immediately hide behind something to avoid such ignoble deaths and any player who is even remotely close to decent would too. Anyone not being constantly alert for LAVs and being in an area where an LAV can take them out deserves to die. So you honestly believe free murder taxi contributes to making this game a decent shooter? We had other free vehicles during the beta too. Funny enough, CCP decided to remove them because they greatly detracted from gameplay and watered down what little existed of Dust gunplay. If you want to mow people down in LAVs then by all means do so, but you should have to spec into LAVs and pay a price for doing it.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 313	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:46:00 - [19] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: I'm guessing CCP is trying to get some more AV guys out there. The hacked Exo teaser and free LAVs seem like a message to the public. Proto tanks are coming, if you are having trouble with LAVs, what are you going to do when there are real vehicles rolling around? If the community cant handle a few teeny tiny jeeps, these forums will be filled with tears when the Big Boys roll out. There will be pleading and begging and crying. Why should they have to nerf something we can easily deal with? Then why were the free LAVs buffed up to handle more AV grenades?
First Prophet Jaguar Elite 123	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:47:00 - [20] - Quote Why not use the free militia swarm launcher to take down those free militia lavs? They can only take two swarm volleys.

Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:50:00 - [21] - Quote I kill free LAVs pretty easily. 1 standard swarm + 1 standard av gets the job done fast. Only have a bit of trouble with blood saga which can tank an extra swarm/av grenade. While I dont agree with doing away with the free LAV, I think there should be a limit to prevent spam like 1) Can only have one on the field at a time, if the other one is abandoned or hacked, it has to be destroyed or recalled in order to call another one. 2) Cooldown timer of about 5 minutes These only apply to permanent blueprint vehicles for obvious reasons of preventing spam on the field.
Xender17 Murderz for hire 106	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:52:00 - [22] - Quote (I'm a tanker) The only reason I want them gone is how they support players into skilling into AV. There has been a ridiculous increase in AV weaponry on the battle field.
VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 179	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:54:00 - [23] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Why not use the free militia swarm launcher to take down those free militia lavs? They can only take two swarm volleys. How? We're running along, fighting, and then... A guy in a free LAV comes flying out of nowhere, runs you over, and drives off. What am I supposed to do, respawn as basic Anti-Armor and follow him around to kill him? No. You shouldn't be able to get a free kill machine, whose only counter is to force specialized players into one narrow role just to be able to defend themselves.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2204	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:55:00 - [24] - Quote Humvees run people over in Battlefield. Free LAVs can't take much damage. Now Logi LAVs, they're proper murder taxis.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 153	Posted - 2013.05.28 18:00:00 - [25] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: I'm guessing CCP is trying to get some more AV guys out there. The hacked Exo teaser and free LAVs seem like a message to the public. Proto tanks are coming, if you are having trouble with LAVs, what are you going to do when there are real vehicles rolling around? If the community cant handle a few teeny tiny jeeps, these forums will be filled with tears when the Big Boys roll out. There will be pleading and begging and crying. Why should they have to nerf something we can easily deal with? Then why were the free LAVs buffed up to handle more AV grenades? to prepare you for what is to come
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 314	Posted - 2013.05.28 18:07:00 - [26] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: I'm guessing CCP is trying to get some more AV guys out there. The hacked Exo teaser and free LAVs seem like a message to the public. Proto tanks are coming, if you are having trouble with LAVs, what are you going to do when there are real vehicles rolling around? If the community cant handle a few teeny tiny jeeps, these forums will be filled with tears when the Big Boys roll out. There will be pleading and begging and crying. Why should they have to nerf something we can easily deal with? Then why were the free LAVs buffed up to handle more AV grenades? to prepare you for what is to come I've been here for over a year. I've seen what marauders can do to a team, but there is a significant skill point investment associated with them. There isn't any sp investment with free LAVs, that's my issue.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 376	Posted - 2013.05.28 18:10:00 - [27] - Quote When Speeders are released, free Militia Speeders should replace the free LAV. A motorcycle size vehicle would do less damage when ramming a guy with an exoskeleton suit than a jeep sized vehicle, and they would still get you where you need to go.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 463	Posted - 2013.05.28 18:22:00 - [28] - Quote If the free vehicle could be killed by a adv packed AV then I would not have an issue with them. The problem is they eat AV nades like they are nothing and then drive off....and those are the free ones. 2 swarms? Why should it take 2 swarms to kill a free LAV? free LAVs should not have gotten a HP buff. Just because CCP did it doesnt make it right.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 154	Posted - 2013.05.28 22:44:00 - [29] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: If the free vehicle could be killed by a adv packed AV then I would not have an issue with them. The problem is they eat AV nades like they are nothing and then drive off....and those are the free ones. 2 swarms? Why should it take 2 swarms to kill a free LAV? free LAVs should not have gotten a HP buff. Just because CCP did it doesnt make it right. you are using explosives against sheilds, not to bright. try flux with your swarms. send me a squad invite some time i can show you how to kill everything. I ve only spent 2mil sp from the respec and have fits designed to deal with any situation.
Quill Killian Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 155	Posted - 2013.05.28 22:48:00 - [30] - Quote Callidus Vanus wrote: If people would just look both ways before crossing the street then the road toll in Dust would be greatly reduced ... That, or race up a mountain when one's bearing down on you and break out a proto swarm launcher. Bye-bye, LAV.

Dust HaHakoke Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2013.05.28 22:50:00 - [31] - Quote They still exist to give forge guns something to shoot
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4728	Posted - 2013.05.28 22:51:00 - [32] - Quote Free LAVs are like pinatas, its the LLAVs that are giving me the bull fight experience these days and I am finding it a good challenge. Nailed 2 so far today before the hotfix I will say in current standard gear or militia gear they're certainly not soloable the ones I slew today I had help with.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2013.05.28 22:54:00 - [33] - Quote I've been of the opinion that the free LAV should have been gone a long time ago if you want to overcome the movement limitations of your drop suit, you should have to pay for it. I could care less about the LAV spam that is not really a problem as they are easily dispatched. but free anything is counter to the whole rISK vs. reward game.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 99	Posted - 2013.05.29 00:16:00 - [34] - Quote It's like im playing the beta again when they first put then in time for proto proymines again
Dale Templar Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack 13	Posted - 2013.05.29 02:00:00 - [35] - Quote Get rid of them, jesus, I joined a match around an hour ago, dropped from the MCC tried to call a tank and literally 10 seconds into the match THE VEHICLE LIMIT HAS BEEN REACHED. **** offfff....
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 6	Posted - 2013.05.29 02:46:00 - [36] - Quote how about you spam free swarm luanchers in ambush then, you wouldn't belive how well I do with that ****, if they are free one clip is all you need reload and take out the next one so on so forth easy day and double the WP.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:18:00 - [37] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Abron Garr wrote: We were told constantly during Beta 1.0 that vehicles in Dust would not be free. Instead, Ambush maps are nothing but free LAV spam. Skill up for forge guns. Stop complaining about a problem you can't bother yourself to take care of. Why don't you skill up for LAVs instead of using the free ones to run over people like a mongoloid. *LOL* Every single skill point I've invested so far is to make my vehicles better. You don't see me rolling around in a Madrugar, or a Limbus? I'm thinking about waiting to get Gallente Logistics LAV lvl 5, so I'm impossible to kill when in that car. I already have access to the top large blasters and railguns. I have 6700 armor on my go-to railgun tank, with 2 hardeners and an Ion Cannon.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:24:00 - [38] - Quote VLIGHT5 wrote: First Prophet wrote: Why not use the free militia swarm launcher to take down those free militia lavs? They can only take two swarm volleys. How? We're running along, fighting, and then... A guy in a free LAV comes flying out of nowhere, runs you over, and drives off. What am I supposed to do, respawn as basic Anti-Armor and follow him around to kill him? No. You shouldn't be able to get a free kill machine, whose only counter is to force specialized players into one narrow role just to be able to defend themselves. You're still complaining because you've put what, a few levels into grenades? You can get Aurum CBR7 swarm launchers with swarm level 1. Why are you still complaining?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:26:00 - [39] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: If the free vehicle could be killed by a adv packed AV then I would not have an issue with them. The problem is they eat AV nades like they are nothing and then drive off....and those are the free ones. 2 swarms? Why should it take 2 swarms to kill a free LAV? free LAVs should not have gotten a HP buff. Just because CCP did it doesnt make it right. So you're basically complaining that it's too hard to destroy militia gear.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1398	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:39:00 - [40] - Quote AV Grenades are not a real form of AV. Stop using a crutch and HTFU. If we want the removal of free LAVs, we also want the removal of free Militia Fits. We can make this relatively painless for new players as well. Allow Academy players access to unlimited starter fits and free LAVs (As it currently is.). Upon achieving the requirements for leaving the Academy, send the player a mail along the lines of this.. "Congratulations Merc, you have graduated Academy and as such, have access to mercenary contracts across New Eden. Because of your graduation, you will no longer have access to the Academy Armoury, but as a graduation present we would like to award you the following. x100 Militia [Insert Race Here] Dropsuits x50 Militia [Insert Race Here] Rifles x25 Militia Swarm Launchers x25 Militia Sniper Rifles x25 Militia [Insert Race Here] Light Assault Vehicles. Good Luck merc, you're going to need it." Ta-da, problem solved, new players are able to survive in Academy mode, and are given a bonus gift for graduating. It also means they have 25 "Free" LAVs available and will have to purchase more.

Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 20	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:44:00 - [41] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Because there are still new players and new players get free dropsuits, so why not free LAVs? Why not free tanks? Why not free Dropships? Why not free orbitals? Because this free LAV sucks!
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 77	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:52:00 - [42] - Quote if lav's where not here no one would EVER consider it worth specking into vehicle and vise verse with AV with lav's in the game they allow players to see the threat get av nads use them all the time and on the off chance a tank does come at least you have something (keep in mind people will cry that the tanks are to hard to kill as all they have ever known in FREE LAV'S)
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 317	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:54:00 - [43] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Because there are still new players and new players get free dropsuits, so why not free LAVs? Why not free tanks? Why not free Dropships? Why not free orbitals? Because this free LAV sucks! Actually, we had other free vehicles during beta 1.0. People defended them like people are defending the free LAVS today. Thankfully, they were removed because many of the matches turned into dropship squish and tower missile spam. Syther Shadows wrote: if lav's where not here no one would EVER consider it worth specking into vehicle and vise verse with AV with lav's in the game they allow players to see the threat get av nads use them all the time and on the off chance a tank does come at least you have something (keep in mind people will cry that the tanks are to hard to kill as all they have ever known in FREE LAV'S) Nothing prevented people from skilling up in vehicles after the other free vehicles were removed.
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 84	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:58:00 - [44] - Quote Just to keep heavies in the game. A heavy at the MCC could take a full 8 minutes of nonstop running to get to the farthest objective.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 317	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:59:00 - [45] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Just to keep heavies in the game. A heavy at the MCC could take a full 8 minutes of nonstop running to get to the farthest objective. More reason for people skill up in LAVs and Dropships (lol).
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 34	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:04:00 - [46] - Quote Why? Because Genolution thinks it's a tool of choice to collect Biomass, that's why!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3130	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:21:00 - [47] - Quote Been a few days since I last played, but when I did, AV grenades weren't all that great against LAVs. Swarms, on the other hand... Skill into Swarm Launchers or Forge Guns and watch them melt. Free or not, LAVs are easy targets even for the free Swarm fitting - IF you back it with the right passives. If the enemy has tanks, bring a real AV fitting, or call in AV guys as backup. For LAVs, running a free Swarm loadout with a 3-shot clip and a couple of reloads can wipe out the spam in no time, especially if you trained Proficiency for the damage boost. Adding a Nanohive makes it even better.


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