This is not the right game for you if you need to max out your skills in a couple of weeks. DUST514 is a long run. All about building a character over a long period of time. This is also one of the great things about the game as many people have had enough of restarting this progress every year like in games like COD.

p.s. 4-5k is not to bad per game. Personally I-¦m on around 7k per match without the booster and earning around 300k average, normally running around in my Dragonfly Scout with my blueprint AR and a DU link.

What I also dont like is that this is almost like a "Pay to win" system CCP has set up. Its like you cant use that turret yet? Its okay, pay us real money and you can use it right now! hurry theyre goin fast!

Tired of earning low SP? Pay us real money and We'll give you a boost!

I think CCP has taken it a bit far.

Its a "pay to skip ahead", the balancing of the weapons might make it seem like "pay to win".

Unfortunately thats the business model associated with F2P games that have a low incentive for cosmetic only stuff or the technically inability to create such cosmetic stuff. Good F2P examples are LoL, while bad are Vindictus, while i think Dust is in the middle like WoT or D&D online or Planetside2.

Yes u understand the idea pretty well, the idea is to create a high incentive for the player to buy in game stuff with RM, not to-be "fair" or "humble". In the end the families of the Dust developers have to eat every day :p

dust is meant for the long haul so yes you shouldn't be playing for sp but because you enjoy the game, other wise this game will be very frustrating.

as to the isk you make, that's dependent on the value of equipment you destroy, I've seen as little as 70k to as much as 500k rewarded in a match(300k personally), so no you are not meant to run proto gear non stop, I run suits that cost the price of an AVnade and rake in a mill a day easy, this allows me to run proto in matches I want to give that little extra push in.

I'm still not entirely sure if that's how isk functions. That's what the overal idea of it seems to be, however some matches I will destroy multiple tanks, a dropship and several lav and some proto heavy suits to only earn like 130k isk. while on some occasions as a logi I earn 250k+ without killing a single thing , just hacking stuff and placing droplinks and nanohives :\

I have not even recieved over 300k in a long long time :(

I think that is why it's considered "Grind"

I can almost guaranty you it's sonys fault, like most of the problems in this game.

I'm still not entirely sure if that's how isk functions. That's what the overal idea of it seems to be, however some matches I will destroy multiple tanks, a dropship and several lav and some proto heavy suits to only earn like 130k isk. while on some occasions as a logi I earn 250k+ without killing a single thing , just hacking stuff and placing droplinks and nanohives :\

I have not even recieved over 300k in a long long time :(

The grind feeling is the only part of the game I don't like. I had a guy on coms the other day say he wanted to play OMS because he get more points piloting a HAV. That sentence, in my mind, is what hurts the game the most. They can fix aim issues and item balance but they can't get away from the grind mentality. Grinding is the downfall of DUST; people feel the need to grind not the desire to play.

It's not about what YOU destroy. It's about what your TEAM kills. Kill values seem to go to pool being distributed by performance on the field.


Tank kills, even tho they can be expensive, are quite rare comparing what else is happening in the fight.
If your team slaughters red team running with full proto, then the isk payouts in pubs can be great.

umm....did I say I needed to max out my SP in a few weeks? If I can play EVE for as long as I have (with the same characters), I can play this game.

What I also dont like is that this is almost like a "Pay to win" system CCP has set up. Its like you cant use that turret yet? Its okay, pay us real money and you can use it right now! hurry theyre goin fast!

Tired of earning low SP? Pay us real money and We'll give you a boost!

I think CCP has taken it a bit far.

So u really believe Sony asked CCP to make a "just" average FPS game on PS3?

Its always the fault of the person/team that signs the contract in the first place. If CCP did promise to get a "great" FPS MMO game out on PS3 by 2013, than all Sony did was to accept this offer via a contract. CCP did earn enough money via EvE to be fully independent, means they had no pressure whatsoever to get into a deal with Sony in the first place, so its CCP fault to overreach there capabilities in terms of FPS game on a PS3.

Also as it stands most "problems" i see today are technically related to the capabilities of CCP Dust dev team and the unreal engine 3 running on PS3, none of which has anything to-do with Sony.

I think we get a fair amount. Skill boosters don't give an enormous advantage, but besides, how else is CCP going to make enough profit to keep the game running?

I rarely make above 3k per match; I don't mind, because I have fun playing. As soon as I stopped watching the amount of SP I was earning, it seemed to be coming a lot more quickly. :)

I am pretty new to this game (one week) and I can see great potential for this game but also great flaws.

Flaws are glaringly obvious. As stated by the OP, You cant even earn enough to restock a tank with basic in one match. Are we supposed to play three matches in order to roll around in a tank for 2 minutes before getting blown up by turrets and/or guys with mobile missile launchers?

The good stuff takes too long to get to, AKA, Low SP earned + Low Isk per match = Not much fun. So are we expected to run around with are basic suits white there are guys in heavy suits with heavy machine guns just non chalantly walking around mowing everything down? I was shooting my militia assault rifle at this guy back for literally at least 6 seconds and he finally turns around and shoots me for 1 seconds and Im dead.

So...that leads us to you wanting to get better weapons, better suits, better fittings, but if you invest in one of those, you cant invest in the other until you have many skills on that one thing so that you can get the suit/gun. So I am expected to play for two weeks or so to get access to just better weapons? Then another two weeks to get better suits?

TL;DR it takes to long to earn SP and ISK. There are many shooters out there, If CCP continues to approach the FPS genre the same way they do with EVE, then this game will fail. We can just go play COD, or whatever other monthly shooters there are.

CCP Likes to make things hard, as seen with EVE but with EVE, they can make things as hard as they want because there is no real competition for EVE, here I can just pop in BF3 and be done.


Oh, I also love the people who say "well go play another shooter if you like earning SP quicker" or something like that. Makes me laugh. Yeah, like these people love taking hours and hours of doing something before they can be incrementally better, gear wise. Because that is all this is about really. More SP = better gear = play longer = have more fun.

I guess these people having nothing else to do in their lives.