DUST Search - Will CCP be able to ditch the PS3 when it will no longer be able to satisfy DUST?

Deadeye Dic wrote:

TBdaBoss wrote:

Ryder Azorria wrote:

crazy space 1 wrote:

TBdaBoss wrote:

As much as I'd love to see that, I doubt they'd be willing to put up with the change in architecture.

There is no changem it's unreal 3, port it to unreal 4, run on ps4's open system.

Done, simple. Didn't you know any pc game will run on PS4? it's a 1st for consoles.

You're forgetting the problem of the PS3's "interesting" architecture, which means porting to Unreal 4 to run on the PS4 / PC is much less simple than you make it seem.

1) DUST isn't a PC game, though.

2) What Ryder said. The PS3's CPU architecture is unique to the system; the PS4 is moving to a traditional architecture. It's why there is no way the PS4 can have backwards compatability. If they develop DUST for the new console, it will have to be from the ground up.

3)They would be idiots to develop it on the PS4 using the ancient Unreal 3 engine, bringing me to my last point: Not only will CCP have to develop for new architecture, but they will also be building it with a brand new engine.

The point: That's a lot of changes to make for developing the same game, and CCP may not be willing to deal with that. Even though I'd love that.

The Engine assets aren't an issue. Everything built in UR3 will port to U4 just fine. It's the programming code only, and EVERYTHING that CCP does, is done in Python or a modified Python, so the code isn't as big a deal as you think. What it boils down to is that CCP has already said, they ARE NOT developing for the PS4, and that is all that they have said. Now we know that they will, eventually, but it will not be anything that will happen anytime soon.

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Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 39	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:52:00 - [1] - Quote
Panther Alpha WarRavens 303	Posted - 2013.05.26 15:56:00 - [2] - Quote The question is: How CCP is going to ditch the PS3 ? Because the PS4 is going to be allot more competitive with F2P games....and PC, forge it, not chance, millions of good F2P games in there.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 100	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:02:00 - [3] - Quote Not sure if troll... Either way, it is more than obvious that Dust will begin to gradually take away support from the PS3. As more PS4s are bought,the devs will focus on optimizing the game through that platform. Ps3s might still be able to play Dust, but they wont be able to enjoy any major graphic updates, or more intricate maps. I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. I believe Dust was meant for the PS4, they are just using the PS3 to knock out as many kinks as possible before them. Sony has been touting how the PS4 will sport a number of F2P games, I'm sure Dust is supposed to be one of the major ones.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 40	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:08:00 - [4] - Quote I'm not trolling... I was just thinking if they aren't obliged to keep the PS3 version running.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 303	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:10:00 - [5] - Quote Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Not sure if troll... Either way, it is more than obvious that Dust will begin to gradually take away support from the PS3. As more PS4s are bought,the devs will focus on optimizing the game through that platform. Ps3s might still be able to play Dust, but they wont be able to enjoy any major graphic updates, or more intricate maps. I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. I believe Dust was meant for the PS4, they are just using the PS3 to knock out as many kinks as possible before them. Sony has been touting how the PS4 will sport a number of F2P games, I'm sure Dust is supposed to be one of the major ones. " I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. " Oh dear....don't know much about games are you ? Why Floating platforms and Ship boarding will be out of the PS3 league ?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4662	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:13:00 - [6] - Quote Yes, but note that they will remain on the PS3 for as long as it seems feasible and that any future plans for the game have yet to be announced.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 303	Posted - 2013.05.26 16:16:00 - [7] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Not sure if troll... Either way, it is more than obvious that Dust will begin to gradually take away support from the PS3. As more PS4s are bought,the devs will focus on optimizing the game through that platform. Ps3s might still be able to play Dust, but they wont be able to enjoy any major graphic updates, or more intricate maps. I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. I believe Dust was meant for the PS4, they are just using the PS3 to knock out as many kinks as possible before them. Sony has been touting how the PS4 will sport a number of F2P games, I'm sure Dust is supposed to be one of the major ones. " I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. " Oh dear....don't know much about games are you ? Why Floating platforms and Ship boarding will be out of the PS3 league ? I just drop this here... Floating Platforms Ship boarding And that is the PS2
TBdaBoss A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS 5	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:30:00 - [8] - Quote As much as I'd love to see that, I doubt they'd be willing to put up with the change in architecture.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3995	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:32:00 - [9] - Quote They said it before that Dust will outlive the PS3.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 534	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:35:00 - [10] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yes.

hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 139	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:38:00 - [11] - Quote I am thinking adoption of the PS4 among PS3 users will be pretty fast. It has been a long long time since a new generation of consoles has been birthed into the world. Also it is not beyond reason to think there could be two version of Dust. With the PS4 having a larger feature set.
Deadeye Dic Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:27:00 - [12] - Quote hooc order wrote: I am thinking adoption of the PS4 among PS3 users will be pretty fast. It has been a long long time since a new generation of consoles has been birthed into the world. Also it is not beyond reason to think there could be two version of Dust. With the PS4 having a larger feature set. Adaptation of the PS4 is going to greatly depend on price. That being said, since I can buy a 8 Core AMD ran PC for $400, I expect PS4 and Xbox One for that matter, to be priced in the $400-450 range. If Sony tried to pull the crap they pulled with PS3, then like the PS3, buyers will move to Xbox One, as long as MS doesn't overprice it's console either. Exclusives do not sell consoles. Sure, there are people who buy because of exclusives, like in my case, Dust sold me a PS3, NOT Sony. In fact, Dust and BF3 are the only games I have or play on my PS. I had never owned a PS3 before the announcement of Dust. So far, I'm not impressed with the PS4 and I will probably wait to buy a PS4 until CCP announces that they'll no longer support PS3. I think a vast majority of people are more likely to wait until they have to buy the PS4, than to buy one just because it's new. It just doesn't offer enough of anything new outside of hardware improvements. Everything else it offers as "features" are only features new to PS, but pre-existing in the greater scheme of things.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1248	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:35:00 - [13] - Quote dust will be able to run on the ps5 with comparable graphics as CCP remodels everything for free every 6 years as a policy. PC elitists will still say it looks like ****.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1248	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:36:00 - [14] - Quote TBdaBoss wrote: As much as I'd love to see that, I doubt they'd be willing to put up with the change in architecture. There is no changem it's unreal 3, port it to unreal 4, run on ps4's open system. Done, simple. Didn't you know any pc game will run on PS4? it's a 1st for consoles.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 377	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:12:00 - [15] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: TBdaBoss wrote: As much as I'd love to see that, I doubt they'd be willing to put up with the change in architecture. There is no changem it's unreal 3, port it to unreal 4, run on ps4's open system. Done, simple. Didn't you know any pc game will run on PS4? it's a 1st for consoles. You're forgetting the problem of the PS3's "interesting" architecture, which means porting to Unreal 4 to run on the PS4 / PC is much less simple than you make it seem.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 101	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:15:00 - [16] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Not sure if troll... Either way, it is more than obvious that Dust will begin to gradually take away support from the PS3. As more PS4s are bought,the devs will focus on optimizing the game through that platform. Ps3s might still be able to play Dust, but they wont be able to enjoy any major graphic updates, or more intricate maps. I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. I believe Dust was meant for the PS4, they are just using the PS3 to knock out as many kinks as possible before them. Sony has been touting how the PS4 will sport a number of F2P games, I'm sure Dust is supposed to be one of the major ones. " I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. " Oh dear....don't know much about games are you ? Why Floating platforms and Ship boarding will be out of the PS3 league ? I just drop this here... Floating Platforms Ship boarding And that is the PS2 Well sure, the PS3 could handle that, if it looked like that. Lol I admit I don't know much about game development, but I do know business and I have lived through two video game generation transitions. Claiming that Dust needs to cling to the PS3 playerbase to survive is plain silly. CCP, like every other developer; will optimize their game using the most advanced technology they can. It is undeniable that the PS4 version will outclass the PS3 one. Dust may be available and all of its features, but it will at least suffer graphics wise. It's like trying to run a current AAA title on a 5 year old computer that hasn't been upgraded in anyway. You would have to run it on lowest settings if it runs at all. Planetside 2 doesn't even start on my mom's pc from 2 years ago. Aside from hardware limitations brought on by natural technological evolution, Sony wants to sell PS4s. They are not going to want to continue supporting PS3 play and will probably want certain things restricted to the Ps4 to sell them. I'm not saying for thw release, but they will eventually begin cutting off the PS3. I would give it a year or two before development stops for PS3
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1633	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:23:00 - [17] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Not sure if troll... Either way, it is more than obvious that Dust will begin to gradually take away support from the PS3. As more PS4s are bought,the devs will focus on optimizing the game through that platform. Ps3s might still be able to play Dust, but they wont be able to enjoy any major graphic updates, or more intricate maps. I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. I believe Dust was meant for the PS4, they are just using the PS3 to knock out as many kinks as possible before them. Sony has been touting how the PS4 will sport a number of F2P games, I'm sure Dust is supposed to be one of the major ones. " I have a feeling the whole "floating platforms" map would be completely out of the PS3s league. Maybe even ship boarding would be restricted to PS4 only. " Oh dear....don't know much about games are you ? Why Floating platforms and Ship boarding will be out of the PS3 league ? Especially consider this: What's the biggest rendering draw in Dust? Environments. What happens when you make the environment a bunch of platforms with a skybox around them, with no terrain to render? To put it another way, why do you think the maps in Warframe are so big for a game that's only 1 GB? When you can use mostly interior environments, or remove terrain rendering, you end up with a lot more room to work with.
TBdaBoss A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS 6	Posted - 2013.05.26 20:16:00 - [18] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: TBdaBoss wrote: As much as I'd love to see that, I doubt they'd be willing to put up with the change in architecture. There is no changem it's unreal 3, port it to unreal 4, run on ps4's open system. Done, simple. Didn't you know any pc game will run on PS4? it's a 1st for consoles. You're forgetting the problem of the PS3's "interesting" architecture, which means porting to Unreal 4 to run on the PS4 / PC is much less simple than you make it seem. 1) DUST isn't a PC game, though. 2) What Ryder said. The PS3's CPU architecture is unique to the system; the PS4 is moving to a traditional architecture. It's why there is no way the PS4 can have backwards compatability. If they develop DUST for the new console, it will have to be from the ground up. 3)They would be idiots to develop it on the PS4 using the ancient Unreal 3 engine, bringing me to my last point: Not only will CCP have to develop for new architecture, but they will also be building it with a brand new engine. The point: That's a lot of changes to make for developing the same game, and CCP may not be willing to deal with that. Even though I'd love that.
Deadeye Dic Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2013.05.26 22:38:00 - [19] - Quote TBdaBoss wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: TBdaBoss wrote: As much as I'd love to see that, I doubt they'd be willing to put up with the change in architecture. There is no changem it's unreal 3, port it to unreal 4, run on ps4's open system. Done, simple. Didn't you know any pc game will run on PS4? it's a 1st for consoles. You're forgetting the problem of the PS3's "interesting" architecture, which means porting to Unreal 4 to run on the PS4 / PC is much less simple than you make it seem. 1) DUST isn't a PC game, though. 2) What Ryder said. The PS3's CPU architecture is unique to the system; the PS4 is moving to a traditional architecture. It's why there is no way the PS4 can have backwards compatability. If they develop DUST for the new console, it will have to be from the ground up. 3)They would be idiots to develop it on the PS4 using the ancient Unreal 3 engine, bringing me to my last point: Not only will CCP have to develop for new architecture, but they will also be building it with a brand new engine. The point: That's a lot of changes to make for developing the same game, and CCP may not be willing to deal with that. Even though I'd love that. The Engine assets aren't an issue. Everything built in UR3 will port to U4 just fine. It's the programming code only, and EVERYTHING that CCP does, is done in Python or a modified Python, so the code isn't as big a deal as you think. What it boils down to is that CCP has already said, they ARE NOT developing for the PS4, and that is all that they have said. Now we know that they will, eventually, but it will not be anything that will happen anytime soon.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4665	Posted - 2013.05.26 23:12:00 - [20] - Quote Do note the UR3 Engine used for Dust 514 has been gutted several times over. To port dust 514 to the UR4 may require much more gutting than normal.

TBdaBoss A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS 19	Posted - 2013.05.27 03:52:00 - [21] - Quote Deadeye Dic wrote: TBdaBoss wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: TBdaBoss wrote: As much as I'd love to see that, I doubt they'd be willing to put up with the change in architecture. There is no changem it's unreal 3, port it to unreal 4, run on ps4's open system. Done, simple. Didn't you know any pc game will run on PS4? it's a 1st for consoles. You're forgetting the problem of the PS3's "interesting" architecture, which means porting to Unreal 4 to run on the PS4 / PC is much less simple than you make it seem. 1) DUST isn't a PC game, though. 2) What Ryder said. The PS3's CPU architecture is unique to the system; the PS4 is moving to a traditional architecture. It's why there is no way the PS4 can have backwards compatability. If they develop DUST for the new console, it will have to be from the ground up. 3)They would be idiots to develop it on the PS4 using the ancient Unreal 3 engine, bringing me to my last point: Not only will CCP have to develop for new architecture, but they will also be building it with a brand new engine. The point: That's a lot of changes to make for developing the same game, and CCP may not be willing to deal with that. Even though I'd love that. The Engine assets aren't an issue. Everything built in UR3 will port to U4 just fine. It's the programming code only, and EVERYTHING that CCP does, is done in Python or a modified Python, so the code isn't as big a deal as you think. What it boils down to is that CCP has already said, they ARE NOT developing for the PS4, and that is all that they have said. Now we know that they will, eventually, but it will not be anything that will happen anytime soon. I would prefer that they do it quickly. Asuming the number of players keeps growing, the faster they port it to PS4, The better for everyone.
Alex Bradshaw The Merc Net 30	Posted - 2013.05.27 13:44:00 - [22] - Quote There are 50 million potential customers on the PS3, it will take a long time for the number of potential customers on the PS4 to build up, to justify CCP developing on the PS4. The question is, how long will it take all regular dust players to upgrade to the PS4? I can easily afford a PS4, but I have not seen any interesting games yet., but we will see more on June 10th.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 309	Posted - 2013.05.27 13:51:00 - [23] - Quote Alex Bradshaw wrote: There are 50 million potential customers on the PS3, it will take a long time for the number of potential customers on the PS4 to build up, to justify CCP developing on the PS4. The question is, how long will it take all regular dust players to upgrade to the PS4? I can easily afford a PS4, but I have not seen any interesting games yet., but we will see more on June 10th. Yeah... like everyone is going to trow their PS3 in the bin, and only play the PS4. The same here..I can afford a PS4 as soon as it comes out.. that doesn't means that i going to stop using my PS3. I still playing PS2 and PS1 games even to day.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 103	Posted - 2013.05.27 14:24:00 - [24] - Quote Alex Bradshaw wrote: There are 50 million potential customers on the PS3, it will take a long time for the number of potential customers on the PS4 to build up, to justify CCP developing on the PS4. The question is, how long will it take all regular dust players to upgrade to the PS4? I can easily afford a PS4, but I have not seen any interesting games yet., but we will see more on June 10th. There will be extraordinarily long lines the day the PS4 comes out and probably a few shootings to obtain one. Most, if not all PS4 owners will spend their first few days trying out all of the F2P games. If CCP doesn't get that port going ASAP, they are missing out on a huge opportunity.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 620	Posted - 2013.05.27 14:43:00 - [25] - Quote As long as Sony supports the PS3's most basic functions and the PS3's online is still mildly profitable for Sony. Dust Will be on the PS3 You forget that Dust's biggest problem is not the PS3 Its the small dev team. (70) people, they will be hammering away at making content for dust that by the time 2 and 3 years as past they will have a fully workable game to port to the PS4 The Dust devs would be the biggest bottleneck. They are struggling just make that game right now, much less worry about porting it to another system and all the dual console problems that would cause. They don't have the resources or the time to Port it. And they have to finish the game before they can port it. Don't bother putting your shoes on. In fact take off your pants, your gonna be here a while Its original phase out date was till 2016 When Sony pulls the plug on PS3 support 2015 according to some estimates http://www.joystiq.com/2012/09/24/sony-plans-to-support-ps3-through-2015-at-least/


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