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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.28 13:58:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:
Yeah, not trying to be argumentative, I just recalled it from their "fixed" list with the "by design". As-is, it makes sense for the Plasma Cannon to have a CPU-based fitting skill, but I have no idea what the story with the Flaylock having a PG-fitting skill with no PG reqs is.
Good thread btw, the Plasma Cannon definitely has some wonky progression (and little incentive to progress pass standard) as the weapon is right now imho.
Oh, I didn't think you were good sir. I just remember that they said they were going to implement changes at one point =P |
Herpn Derpidus
Outkast Blood
28
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Posted - 2013.05.28 16:39:00 -
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what if they were to keep its stats exactly how it is now, and then just give it a big bonus to ammo cap? that way you can rea;;y use it against both vehicles and AV and it wouldn't necessarily have to compare to the swarm launcher |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1400
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:31:00 -
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Herpn Derpidus wrote:what if they were to keep its stats exactly how it is now, and then just give it a big bonus to ammo cap? that way you can rea;;y use it against both vehicles and AV and it wouldn't necessarily have to compare to the swarm launcher
Wouldn't matter, you'd die before you expended all of the ammo. Issue isn't in how much ammo they have, it's the reload+charge time makes it a very terrible forge gun. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
261
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:42:00 -
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The gun works for just fi e, other than the misfire bug. It is not what you want it to be, this doesn't mean it is broken |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
78
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:43:00 -
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I have never been killed by a Plasma Cannon, either while in a vehicle or on the ground. I have seen someone with one only once, and I killed them easily. The other new weapons added in Uprising I've seen plenty of in the mix (and been killed by plenty of times). But the Plasma Cannon, well this is a gigantic flop of a new weapon if I've ever seen one. Something should be done to make them more appealing. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1400
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:58:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:The gun works for just fi e, other than the misfire bug. It is not what you want it to be, this doesn't mean it is broken
You're the -one- person who's said this, dude. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
512
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:11:00 -
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I think the swarm launcher needs to be toned down a lot and all will be fine. |
Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1400
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:13:00 -
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ladwar wrote:I think the swarm launcher needs to be toned down a lot and all will be fine.
Further increasing the disparity between Vehicle and AV is not the right way to go. |
drake sadani
Tacti-corp
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Posted - 2013.05.28 18:29:00 -
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this is a AV weapon ? i tried using it on LAV and it giggled and drove off playing lowrider .
if you want it to be a av weapon . then make it a strait trajectory and make it a holding charge so i can run with it charged up . boost the speed of the projectile . or raise the damage but not both one or the other .
make it like a one shot super charged blaster turret .
if it was for infantry then raise the blast radius and drop the damage some and add a extra shot
what worries me is . how did ccp screw up this simple thing |
General Erick
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:52:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:General Erick wrote:If this was improved how you wanted it, OP, I would ask that it become a heavy weapon. We already have a Forge Gun - we don't need a less practical/effective Forge Gun. Why would this have to be made into a Forge Gun when it's less effective than the Light Weapon that already have, The Swarm Launcher???
Forge Gun is AV anti-armor and the Plasma Cannon should be AV anti-shield |
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Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
492
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Posted - 2013.05.29 20:20:00 -
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It's hybrid, so it should be balanced between anti-shield and anti armour. Amarr av will be anti-shield once added.
Breach variant should be more av with higher direct damage.
Assault should be more ai with larger splash radius.
It is a av with ai secondary role, so it makes sense to me for it to be worse then a dedicated av at av.
If the shot could be held and fired on release like forge it would help it in cqc anti-tank. Charge, come around corner, fire, hide, reload, repeat.
Assault variant could lose the ability to hold charge to gain faster reload speed (like assault forge), larger splash and less direct damage.
Breach would have higher direct damage with less splash, making it more of an av weapon.
Swapping the charge bonus for reload bonus for operation skill would be nice if charge can be held. Less charge time aids aiming when charge can't be held making it a bigger bonus then it seems on paper.
It is a short ranged weapon despite the distance the shots fire. It reminds me of rpg-7, effective to 200m with 920m max range(self destruct in mid-air). CCP called the plasma cannon rpg like at one point, seems accurate to me. Designed as av but often used as ai, still used for it's versatility long after it was not effective verse modern armour.
Each race needs something to fill the roles, one weapon type for each is not enough. Swarm is caldari and mass driver is minmatar, gallente plasma cannon fills both roles to a less degree but is more flexible. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
126
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:58:00 -
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I find it funny that people claim that it's for AV, but nowhere in it's description does it say anything aboutvehicles, and the fact that it's talking about space environments and confined areas, places where you wouldn't see a vehicle.
Peace, Godin |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
492
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:26:00 -
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You do see vehicles in confined areas at times, hav in the urban like areas of maps. Swarms are horrible in confined areas, but plasma cannon, av grenades, and flaylock work(after out of av to finish off a tank).
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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
1406
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:23:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I find it funny that people claim that it's for AV, but nowhere in it's description does it say anything aboutvehicles, and the fact that it's talking about space environments and confined areas, places where you wouldn't see a vehicle. Peace, Godin
You obviously didn't read my original post and just spouted off whatever made you sound important.
It's not in the market description, incidentally the forge gun and the swarm launcher don't say Jack about vehicles either.
Do a Google search for once in your life,or better yet go check out fanfest 2013 where they say it's an AV weapon. |
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