DUST Search - kbm ever getting a fix?

Geirskoegul wrote:

DJINN serious issues wrote:

I set the pointer speed thing in the PS3 settings but it didn't help the RAT 7 at all.

I just went to the store and bought some Zalman M400 mouse for $25 I believe.

Has a 800/1200/1600 DPI setting. This is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the RAT 7 on the PS3. The mouse itself is pretty comfortable although it is oo light. I like the weight of the RAT. At least DUST is becoming playable again.... So in the meantime all the RAT guys that are having issues, try the ZALMAN for now. Maybe other version of the RAT, like the RAT 9 or maybe the more basic versions of the RAT would work closer to the ZALMAN with a bit more weight I'm not sure.

Hopefully some one can chime in. At least I know what I'll be doing tonight. I think the X/Y Axis is still messed but this is light years ahead of the RAT 7 so far. Report more as I go.

CYBORG brand products, like the RAT (and the RAT7 especially) are notorious for not working well, if at all, on anything but windows. They don't properly follow HID standards and depend heavily on their custom Windows drivers and softare configuration. You want a headache, try just getting the RAT7 to work in Linux at all, never mind any of the fancy features on it.

Logitech is one of those companies you really can't go wrong with for keyboards, mice, joysticks, and headsets (your core peripherals for computers of any type.) They're high quality, reliable, durable, and follow all HID standards. They tend to work wonderfully out of the box on pretty much anything, and it's not even hard to get their more advanced stuff working on non-Windows operating systems (though obviously you won't be able to use that stuff on the PS3, since you don't get any special software, just the basis HID drivers.)

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DJINN serious issues Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 28	Posted - 2013.05.26 00:22:00 - [1] - Quote Sensitivity is still extremely poor even with a high dpi mouse. X and y axis have different rates. Feels liked still has negative acceleration.... Any other kbm guys still on the benches?
TBdaBoss A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS 0	Posted - 2013.05.26 00:46:00 - [2] - Quote I hooked up my keyboard and mouse for the first time today, and hopped into an Ambush match. I went 0-4. The mouse control is broken. At least no one has to worry about it becoming unbalanced.
DJINN Loki Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:23:00 - [3] - Quote Horrible experiance for me too. Maxed out the mouse, ps3 and the in game settings. Turning is super slow still. Gonna try another mouse with 11400 dpi and see how that works.
DJINN serious issues Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 28	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:25:00 - [4] - Quote Let me know. I'll buy a new mode if it helps. Currently using a rat 7. I'm pretty sure it doesn't get too much better than that though.
Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 57	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:39:00 - [5] - Quote Doubt they'll fix the kn/m any time soon, the patch earlier this week made it even worse than before. It used to be you could set sensitivity to 100% and actually get non-sluggish movement, it was a bit too jerky but way better than 90% and below. Now they nerfed it down to barely better than the 90% setting. Glad I can mess with the dpi on my mouse on the fly because that's the only way i can play now.
DJINN Loki Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:46:00 - [6] - Quote I have the rat 7 as well. Gonna buy a steelseries sensei and see if that helps at all. Keeping my fingers crossed for that one to work
DJINN serious issues Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 28	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:52:00 - [7] - Quote DJINN Loki wrote: I have the rat 7 as well. Gonna buy a steelseries sensei and see if that helps at all. Keeping my fingers crossed for that one to work Awesome. Let me know. I'll get it too if it works.
Setaceous Prime Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:57:00 - [8] - Quote Funnily enough, I use a standard three button mouse off a Lenovo Eco and don't have what I would call significant issues with turning and accuracy. Maybe it's really only a problem with variable DPI mice?
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 266	Posted - 2013.05.26 02:05:00 - [9] - Quote I have a Logitech G700 and don't have too much of a problem since the hotfix ... 100% sensitivity was borked before, 80/90 worked better and my dpi around 2-3000 is about right with mouse smoothing on I think (I'd have to check). The weapon select radial is still tricky but motion works when lag allows. Edited: G700 has macro keys too and multi profiles switchable on the fly, good software too.
DJINN serious issues Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 28	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:45:00 - [10] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: I have a Logitech G700 and don't have too much of a problem since the hotfix ... 100% sensitivity was borked before, 80/90 worked better and my dpi around 2-3000 is about right with mouse smoothing on I think (I'd have to check). The weapon select radial is still tricky but motion works when lag allows. Edited: G700 has macro keys too and multi profiles switchable on the fly, good software too and dpi goes up to 20-30, 000 I forget exact, but 2-3 is good. Plugged in a Microsoft arc mouse. The folding one. Game got almost payable. What gives? The gun selector wheel became almost impossible to use unlike with the rat 7.

Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 495	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:53:00 - [11] - Quote Doing it wrong folks. Right now the game uses a ******** virtual analog stick emulator for the mouse. So if you have a higher DPI you're going to be hitting the edge of the virtual analog plane faster and causing insane acceleration. What you want to do is use lower DPI with higher in-game sensitivity.
Hana-Maru PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 121	Posted - 2013.05.26 06:13:00 - [12] - Quote I'm using a rat 7 also. Side to side feels a little sluggish but up-down feels like dragging a weight around. When Issuing squad orders and selecting equipment (4 equip slots) it is next to impossible to hit the middle icons. I've been shot countless time while just trying to select a damn Defend order (only to have it give an invalid target error because the player is beyond some arbitrary boundary)
DJINN serious issues Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 28	Posted - 2013.05.26 11:53:00 - [13] - Quote When you guys use the RAT 7, what do you have your DPI selector at? The character turns insanely slow the less lights I have on. So I have to play at 4. But even that is way to slow. I'm a bit confused as to why the Microsoft Arc Touch I use is so much quicker? It is almost playable. Tough mouse to use for gaming though. Maybe the RAT 7 has a prob/isn't quite supported as expected?
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1632	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:08:00 - [14] - Quote I go over to my friend's house occasionally and watch her go 30+/0 with a mouse. It seems that whatever the error is is very inconsistent as far as how it manifests for each player.
Sigberct Amni Defensores Doctrina 59	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:14:00 - [15] - Quote Yeah, the mouse control have me taking a break until the game is less ****. INB4 adapt or die.
DeeJay One BetaMax. CRONOS. 34	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:28:00 - [16] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Yeah, the mouse control have me taking a break until the game is less ****. INB4 adapt or die. Use a DS3 in the meantime? ;)
DJINN serious issues Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 28	Posted - 2013.05.26 14:48:00 - [17] - Quote For those of you who seem to find that the sensitivity is ok. What kind of mouse are you using? I was thinking to hit the local computer store and try buying something a little more easy to hold on to than the ARC mouse for gaming. I'm just afraid of buying something that will turn out like my RAT 7.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 315	Posted - 2013.05.26 14:57:00 - [18] - Quote I still have serious issues trying to get a nanohive out, i just cant select a damn thing and aiming is horrible. Just came back from some PC FPS game and holy damn what a diffrence, drop-headshotted a guy who ambushed me in War Z after a 180 degree turn while dropping with a single shot. Instantly got me reported as a hacker there :p If i can hit something in Dust, its 20% skill / 80% pure luck.
DJINN Loki Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:11:00 - [19] - Quote I seem to have solved my turning issue. I use an eagle eye set up for my mouse and keyboard and what i did was set up my mouse (rat 7) with 4 different DPI sertings. The 4th light being 6400. Injacked up the sensitivity in game and on the ps3, but most importantly i jacked up the sensitivity on the eagle eye advanced calibration. I maxed out the X and Y. When i got into the game the turning and aiming were insanely fast. I then set my mouse to the lowest dpi setting i have set up (i think around 3500-4000) and lowered the sensitivity in game to about 50. So far its working like a champ. Im just going to fine tune the sensitivity in game til i fins something right. So just max out the sensitivity on your eagle eye if your using one. Works great now
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 152	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:19:00 - [20] - Quote The mouse control IS, in fact, pretty broken right now (though not as bad as it's' been in the past). That said, there ARE some things you can do to fix it that work around long-standing bugs in the game. First and foremost you need to know that the DS3 Controller settings in Dust 514 affect the mouse and keyboard. This includes the sensitivities, aim assist, and inversion. So your first step needs to be cranking all of these sensitivites up to max, disabling (the broken) aim assist, and making sure nothing's inverted. Next, the PS3 settings itself still play a part as well, so go to Settings -> Accessory Settings -> Pointer Speed, and set it to "fast" on the XMB. Finally, make sure you disable mouse smoothing in the keyboard and mouse settings in Dust. I use a Logitech G500, and with the on-mouse DPI set to fastest it's definitely usable and far better than a controller, though still not up to par with how a mouse should behave. Knock it down to 2 if you've got an enemy sniper that thinks he's got a really clever position and need the extra precision to zero in on his stationary head. All this said, stationary turrets are still unusable, and vehicle-mounted turrets are less-than-stellar (not a big deal on a tank, whether as driver or gunner, but on a LAV it's impossible to hit anything while moving, never mind an enemy LAV.) Hope this helps my fellow mouse users.

DJINN serious issues Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 28	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:02:00 - [21] - Quote I set the pointer speed thing in the PS3 settings but it didn't help the RAT 7 at all. I just went to the store and bought some Zalman M400 mouse for $25 I believe. Has a 800/1200/1600 DPI setting. This is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the RAT 7 on the PS3. The mouse itself is pretty comfortable although it is too light. I like the weight of the RAT. At least DUST is becoming playable again.... So in the meantime all the RAT guys that are having issues, try the ZALMAN for now. Maybe other version of the RAT, like the RAT 9 or maybe the more basic versions of the RAT would work closer to the ZALMAN with a bit more weight I'm not sure. Hopefully some one can chime in. At least I know what I'll be doing tonight. I think the X/Y Axis is still messed but this is light years ahead of the RAT 7 so far. Report more as I go.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 153	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:12:00 - [22] - Quote DJINN serious issues wrote: I set the pointer speed thing in the PS3 settings but it didn't help the RAT 7 at all. I just went to the store and bought some Zalman M400 mouse for $25 I believe. Has a 800/1200/1600 DPI setting. This is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the RAT 7 on the PS3. The mouse itself is pretty comfortable although it is too light. I like the weight of the RAT. At least DUST is becoming playable again.... So in the meantime all the RAT guys that are having issues, try the ZALMAN for now. Maybe other version of the RAT, like the RAT 9 or maybe the more basic versions of the RAT would work closer to the ZALMAN with a bit more weight I'm not sure. Hopefully some one can chime in. At least I know what I'll be doing tonight. I think the X/Y Axis is still messed but this is light years ahead of the RAT 7 so far. Report more as I go. CYBORG brand products, like the RAT (and the RAT7 especially) are notorious for not working well, if at all, on anything but windows. They don't properly follow HID standards and depend heavily on their custom Windows drivers and softare configuration. You want a headache, try just getting the RAT7 to work in Linux at all, never mind any of the fancy features on it. Logitech is one of those companies you really can't go wrong with for keyboards, mice, joysticks, and headsets (your core peripherals for computers of any type.) They're high quality, reliable, durable, and follow all HID standards. They tend to work wonderfully out of the box on pretty much anything, and it's not even hard to get their more advanced stuff working on non-Windows operating systems (though obviously you won't be able to use that stuff on the PS3, since you don't get any special software, just the basis HID drivers.)
October SnowFox Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 16	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:16:00 - [23] - Quote I dont bealive you, on my mouse everything ok )))
Kilmoor Valor 514 DISTRIBUTOR OF PAIN 12	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:19:00 - [24] - Quote The issues with kbm are making me want to shoot myself in the face. I don't suck at FPS, no it as bad as these controls make me feel. Oh well, I can always walk away and earn passive sp while CCP ignores the issue.
Turkevich Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 22	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:24:00 - [25] - Quote If I set both the controller sensitivities and the mouse sensitivity to max I can "snap" a heavy 180 degrees with about a 6" swipe. I use a Sidewinder X8 mouse and I have it maxed @ 4000 dpi. I cannot say if that's good or bad since I've never been a technical FPS player but it does feel like a huge movement for a 180 degree turn. I'm a little less concerned with dialing in the mouse movement as I am about keyboard mapping. The equipment and squad selection menu is horrendous with a mouse. I sometimes have to fiddle for 15-20 seconds just to dump a nanohive. That is horribly broken. Just let me assign equipment slots and squad commands to hotkeys already!
Mocha Biscotti Red Star. EoN. 27	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:26:00 - [26] - Quote DJINN Loki wrote: I have the rat 7 as well. Gonna buy a steelseries sensei and see if that helps at all. Keeping my fingers crossed for that one to work I've got one of those, if you like I could be a dear and test it for you? Save you the money?
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 153	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:31:00 - [27] - Quote Mocha Biscotti wrote: DJINN Loki wrote: I have the rat 7 as well. Gonna buy a steelseries sensei and see if that helps at all. Keeping my fingers crossed for that one to work I've got one of those, if you like I could be a dear and test it for you? Save you the money? (My other half has a Rat, so I could do a comparative!) Do this! My logitech g500 works as well as about anything on this build, but compiling a list of good mice for Dust would be invaluable!
Mocha Biscotti Red Star. EoN. 27	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:37:00 - [28] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Mocha Biscotti wrote: DJINN Loki wrote: I have the rat 7 as well. Gonna buy a steelseries sensei and see if that helps at all. Keeping my fingers crossed for that one to work I've got one of those, if you like I could be a dear and test it for you? Save you the money? (My other half has a Rat, so I could do a comparative!) Do this! My logitech g500 works as well as about anything on this build, but compiling a list of good mice for Dust would be invaluable! Alright! My mouse is at the other house, so I'll try and give results this evening I'm not particularly talented at using a mouse but I should be able to tell shitmouse from good right?
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 153	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:41:00 - [29] - Quote Mocha Biscotti wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Mocha Biscotti wrote: DJINN Loki wrote: I have the rat 7 as well. Gonna buy a steelseries sensei and see if that helps at all. Keeping my fingers crossed for that one to work I've got one of those, if you like I could be a dear and test it for you? Save you the money? (My other half has a Rat, so I could do a comparative!) Do this! My logitech g500 works as well as about anything on this build, but compiling a list of good mice for Dust would be invaluable! Alright! My mouse is at the other house, so I'll try and give results this evening I'm not particularly talented at using a mouse but I should be able to tell shitmouse from good right? Shouldn't be a problem. Just be objective in actual performance and how it handles, don't worry about "i kept getting killed."
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 153	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:45:00 - [30] - Quote I've started a thread for us to compile a list of Mice that work well in Dust 514 and provide some information about just how to configure them and how they behave when configured that way. Thought it might prove helpful to other people that either don't have a mouse but want to get one, or have a mouse they are looking to replace due to poor performance on Dust. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=863847#post863847

stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 5	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:49:00 - [31] - Quote CCP should have never added kbm, its a console game stick with controllers.
The Real Drazar Mercs Inc. ROFL BROS 16	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:52:00 - [32] - Quote Ive been using a rat 7 since it came out and have had no probs with aiming I have also used my old Logitech g9 mouse and had no probs with that mouse also. my keyboard is a Logitech g710+ and that's been working like a champ for dust. I got my mouse at 3400dpi for my mouse right now and use that for dust and bf3 and both feel the same for turning speed
McFurious BetaMax. CRONOS. 83	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:57:00 - [33] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: CCP should have never added kbm, its a console game stick with controllers. CCP should never have made this for PS3, it's a FPS game stick with PC.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 5	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:14:00 - [34] - Quote McFurious wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: CCP should have never added kbm, its a console game stick with controllers. CCP should never have made this for PS3, it's a FPS game stick with PC. I would have agreed with you ten years ago.
Spaceman-Rob DUST University Ivy League 80	Posted - 2013.05.26 20:07:00 - [35] - Quote As far as dualshock is concerned, aiming seems fine, yes it's different from other games but it's not worth bitching about. I think the op has more likely got a problem with his set up. I think if we were to have a poll more people would say there wasn't a big issue than those who think there is. I was one of those people that moaned at first but my situation was different, my hdmi ports are broken so I bought a cheapo component cable off eBay, for some weird reason this cable gave the impression of input lag when playing, so I purchased an official Sony ps3 cable and all is okay now, maybe your aiming issue is closer to home than you realise. Even settings on your tv can have a negative affect on your gaming experience, so try tinkering with everything and see if it helps.
DJINN serious issues Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 28	Posted - 2013.05.26 23:38:00 - [36] - Quote Mocha Biscotti wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: Mocha Biscotti wrote: DJINN Loki wrote: I have the rat 7 as well. Gonna buy a steelseries sensei and see if that helps at all. Keeping my fingers crossed for that one to work I've got one of those, if you like I could be a dear and test it for you? Save you the money? (My other half has a Rat, so I could do a comparative!) Do this! My logitech g500 works as well as about anything on this build, but compiling a list of good mice for Dust would be invaluable! Alright! My mouse is at the other house, so I'll try and give results this evening I'm not particularly talented at using a mouse but I should be able to tell shitmouse from good right? Easiest thing to do is just take a regular size mouse pad which I believe is about ~6" or so wide. Then put the mouse on the far left and then just count how many full 360's you can do. On the RAT 7 I get about 3.25 full rotations with sensitivity at 100 and mouse DPI indicator at level 4. I'll come back with the count on the ZALMAN next time I load the game up.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 266	Posted - 2013.05.28 13:15:00 - [37] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: DJINN serious issues wrote: I set the pointer speed thing in the PS3 settings but it didn't help the RAT 7 at all. I just went to the store and bought some Zalman M400 mouse for $25 I believe. Has a 800/1200/1600 DPI setting. This is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the RAT 7 on the PS3. The mouse itself is pretty comfortable although it is oo light. I like the weight of the RAT. At least DUST is becoming playable again.... So in the meantime all the RAT guys that are having issues, try the ZALMAN for now. Maybe other version of the RAT, like the RAT 9 or maybe the more basic versions of the RAT would work closer to the ZALMAN with a bit more weight I'm not sure. Hopefully some one can chime in. At least I know what I'll be doing tonight. I think the X/Y Axis is still messed but this is light years ahead of the RAT 7 so far. Report more as I go. CYBORG brand products, like the RAT (and the RAT7 especially) are notorious for not working well, if at all, on anything but windows. They don't properly follow HID standards and depend heavily on their custom Windows drivers and softare configuration. You want a headache, try just getting the RAT7 to work in Linux at all, never mind any of the fancy features on it. Logitech is one of those companies you really can't go wrong with for keyboards, mice, joysticks, and headsets (your core peripherals for computers of any type.) They're high quality, reliable, durable, and follow all HID standards. They tend to work wonderfully out of the box on pretty much anything, and it's not even hard to get their more advanced stuff working on non-Windows operating systems (though obviously you won't be able to use that stuff on the PS3, since you don't get any special software, just the basis HID drivers.) This ^^ I swear by logitech gear ... I have 3 mice, 2 keyboards, 2.4GHz wireless joystick, Steering wheel n pedals ... their audio gear is good stuff too but I prefer my high end Sennheisers n class A amps with Tannoy n Wharfdale speakers :-)) But as I said earlier in this thread, my G700 mouse works pretty well since the mouse sensitivity hotfix the other week, only issue is with the radial selections everyone is complaining about, it can't be done with a sensitivity that's playable in battle. Not sure about the G500 others are talking about, but the G700 has macro programmable keys, just plug it in a PC and run the software to map your grenades n E for nanite stab without the radial, if you set your injector in the impossible diagonal on the radial so your other equipment is accesible on horizontal or verticals it eases that problem a little.
Freg86 D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:34:00 - [38] - Quote i use razer deathadder and x7 g100 but they are connected on eagle eye, gives me more option to calibrate
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 573	Posted - 2013.05.28 15:54:00 - [39] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Doing it wrong folks. Right now the game uses a ******** virtual analog stick emulator for the mouse. So if you have a higher DPI you're going to be hitting the edge of the virtual analog plane faster and causing insane acceleration. What you want to do is use lower DPI with higher in-game sensitivity. This. FTR I'm using a Logitech G700. DPI set at 50% and mouse sensitivity at 70. Try turning Mouse Smoothing on or off. It's definitely borked one way; you'll know which immediately.


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