DUST Search - [Suggestion] I just solved MCC Camping with a 5 minute MS Paint drawing

Jathniel wrote:

Matakage wrote:

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

What about people who spawn camp BELOW the MCC? There is no way to organize a strike against them if you have no other spawn points, or the other spawn points are also camped.

I said MCC camping was solved -- not all camping was solved.

You're mistaking MCC "camping" with MCC "afk SP farming".

MCC Camping is what your illustration will expose players that spawn to.

AFK farming is not solved by this. All you've done is partially eliminate an element of player immersion.

Not sure why it matters if some other player on the field feels like hiding anyway.
If the fight (probably a public match) isn't going well, because people feel like AFKing and/or hiding somewhere. That's not my problem. The match is lost, I'll just earn some money and snipe a few protosuits on the other side.

The problem is player laziness, and the passively earned in-battle SP (that the players voted for).

You can't stop people from being lazy by trying to force them to help you in a public match, and you probably won't be able to change the passive in-battle SP gain either if you brought it to a vote a second time.

Bad teammates are a fact of every multiplayer game in existence, and no amount of Systemic changes you create will change this. Get over it.

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Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 178	Posted - 2013.05.25 04:17:00 - [1] - Quote http://imgur.com/iNr5Zf5
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 178	Posted - 2013.05.25 04:29:00 - [2] - Quote If you disagree with the picture, then you're pretty much admitting you're an MCC camper. Do you have a problem with spawning above the hole? If so, why?
Starne Planetary Response Organization 9	Posted - 2013.05.25 04:39:00 - [3] - Quote Matakage wrote: If you disagree with the picture, then you're pretty much admitting you're an MCC camper. Do you have a problem with spawning above the hole? If so, why? nice pic. ccp should hire u for concept art but in truth yes that would save us from mcc campers just getting sp and mcc snipers... for the most part. u can still snipe on top of the mcc.
Azrael Aranis The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.05.25 04:44:00 - [4] - Quote Only problem I would see with it is that a bit of lag would have you pummeling to your death... Then again... That would be a pretty funny thing to see. I rarely choose to spawn on the MCC to begin with, although jumping out of it (especially as a full squad) never fails to brng a smile to my face.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 487	Posted - 2013.05.25 06:29:00 - [5] - Quote Confirming that this five olds MS paint drawing is more coherent than CCP's current strategy.
Arcturis Vanguard Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 13	Posted - 2013.05.25 06:53:00 - [6] - Quote So brilliant that it hurts my head.
Niccolo deLuce Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.05.25 06:56:00 - [7] - Quote Or make them boardable like the Titans in BF2142.
Rugman91 Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 171	Posted - 2013.05.25 06:58:00 - [8] - Quote It wouldnt solve afk farming. There's plenty of places to hide and not be killed
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 385	Posted - 2013.05.25 08:26:00 - [9] - Quote Rugman91 wrote: It wouldnt solve afk farming. There's plenty of places to hide and not be killed Sadly this guy is right people will just find new places to hide.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1345	Posted - 2013.05.25 08:35:00 - [10] - Quote But.. what if I forget, click spawn and go and AFK, ka-splat.. :(
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2410	Posted - 2013.05.25 08:36:00 - [11] - Quote Disagree. AFK players will just find another place to camp. How about getting rid of the SP gained for time in game crap for once?
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 172	Posted - 2013.05.25 08:47:00 - [12] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Disagree. AFK players will just find another place to camp. How about getting rid of the SP gained for time in game crap for once? Because bad players would stay bad and good players would get better.
Asmadai HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 88	Posted - 2013.05.25 15:54:00 - [13] - Quote Starne wrote: Matakage wrote: If you disagree with the picture, then you're pretty much admitting you're an MCC camper. Do you have a problem with spawning above the hole? If so, why? nice pic. ccp should hire u for concept art but in truth yes that would save us from mcc campers just getting sp and mcc snipers... for the most part. u can still snipe on top of the mcc. To solve camping on top of the MCC they should have the missiles hitting the MCC do ridiculous splash/knock back damage. They will either die or be blown off.
137H4RGIC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 77	Posted - 2013.05.25 21:35:00 - [14] - Quote Matakage wrote: http://imgur.com/iNr5Zf5 I liked my friend's idea, he said have four NPC ELITE Heavies with Large Nova Cattle Prods to basically "Shove" people who've been in the MCC longer than 30 Seconds. Your squad may be waiting to spawn together in the MCC. So that 30 seconds is a grace period.
Arx Ardashir Bragian Order Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.25 22:37:00 - [15] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: I liked my friend's idea, he said have four NPC ELITE Heavies with Large Nova Cattle Prods to basically "Shove" people who've been in the MCC longer than 30 Seconds. Your squad may be waiting to spawn together in the MCC. So that 30 seconds is a grace period. Lol, that would be hilarious to see.
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 113	Posted - 2013.05.25 23:54:00 - [16] - Quote Friendly fire as well as placing a ceiling cap not to reach above he MCC would solve this as well as offer no ground a drop ship can reach that a player from the ground cannot reach. Ladders, steps, whatever it takes to be able to reach those places now that only drop ships can travel.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 175	Posted - 2013.05.26 00:55:00 - [17] - Quote Fixing AFK is actually difficult. The OP's idea has the problem of you getting the slightest bit of lag and getting insta-dead. The whole "get rid of 1 second = 5 SP" is unfair to new players when that may be the ONLY SP they will end up getting. I have seen ideas go back "1 WP = 5 SP and 1 Second = 1 SP" but that is really off base. Same problem as above but people that can pull 1,500 WP in a 10 minute Domination map suddenly go from 4,500 WP to 7,800. Newer players spend a huge amount of time trying to cap out while organize squads cap out almost instantly. A vote kick system could work but having played TF2 all these years I have noticed that people almost always just say yes. I have gotten kicked so many times for "AFK" despite being number one performer as an Engineer or Demo Man. It is not an easy fix.
Bad Heal The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 10	Posted - 2013.05.26 00:59:00 - [18] - Quote RINON114 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Disagree. AFK players will just find another place to camp. How about getting rid of the SP gained for time in game crap for once? Because bad players would stay bad and good players would get better. And?
Wojciak Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:00:00 - [19] - Quote But i love killing the mcc snipers. that is always makes my day.
Dalmont Legrand Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415 20	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:06:00 - [20] - Quote I laughed so hard Simple as that, fully support your idea.
Tankin Tarkus Quafe Runners 21	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:12:00 - [21] - Quote when i first heard about sniping in and on the mcc i tried both and noticed the mcc's hitbox is already larger than its model if they made it even larger still(not like itd matter considering only the nulls and mccs can damage them) it would make it impossible to shoot anything other than the mcc thatd deal with that but wouldnt do anything about the mcc/redline afkers
TODDSTER024 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:13:00 - [22] - Quote I've spawned from the MCC straight into a free fall....
Ulysses Knapse Bojo's School of the Trades 408	Posted - 2013.05.26 01:35:00 - [23] - Quote What about people who spawn camp BELOW the MCC? There is no way to organize a strike against them if you have no other spawn points, or the other spawn points are also camped.
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 217	Posted - 2013.05.27 03:16:00 - [24] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: What about people who spawn camp BELOW the MCC? There is no way to organize a strike against them if you have no other spawn points, or the other spawn points are also camped. I said MCC camping was solved -- not all camping was solved.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 383	Posted - 2013.05.27 09:24:00 - [25] - Quote Matakage wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: What about people who spawn camp BELOW the MCC? There is no way to organize a strike against them if you have no other spawn points, or the other spawn points are also camped. I said MCC camping was solved -- not all camping was solved. You're mistaking MCC "camping" with MCC "afk SP farming". MCC Camping is what your illustration will expose players that spawn to. AFK farming is not solved by this. All you've done is partially eliminate an element of player immersion. Not sure why it matters if some other player on the field feels like hiding anyway. If the fight (probably a public match) isn't going well, because people feel like AFKing and/or hiding somewhere. That's not my problem. The match is lost, I'll just earn some money and snipe a few protosuits on the other side. The problem is player laziness, and the passively earned in-battle SP (that the players voted for). You can't stop people from being lazy by trying to force them to help you in a public match, and you probably won't be able to change the passive in-battle SP gain either if you brought it to a vote a second time. Bad teammates are a fact of every multiplayer game in existence, and no amount of Systemic changes you create will change this. Get over it.
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 229	Posted - 2013.05.27 21:15:00 - [26] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Matakage wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: What about people who spawn camp BELOW the MCC? There is no way to organize a strike against them if you have no other spawn points, or the other spawn points are also camped. I said MCC camping was solved -- not all camping was solved. You're mistaking MCC "camping" with MCC "afk SP farming". MCC Camping is what your illustration will expose players that spawn to. AFK farming is not solved by this. All you've done is partially eliminate an element of player immersion. Not sure why it matters if some other player on the field feels like hiding anyway. If the fight (probably a public match) isn't going well, because people feel like AFKing and/or hiding somewhere. That's not my problem. The match is lost, I'll just earn some money and snipe a few protosuits on the other side. The problem is player laziness, and the passively earned in-battle SP (that the players voted for). You can't stop people from being lazy by trying to force them to help you in a public match, and you probably won't be able to change the passive in-battle SP gain either if you brought it to a vote a second time. Bad teammates are a fact of every multiplayer game in existence, and no amount of Systemic changes you create will change this. Get over it. Nah, that's just the thing -- I don't get over things. I don't accept problems as they are. I try to fix them instead. But you're right about one thing -- I did call it MCC Camping when I meant to say MCC AFK SP Farming. What you're wrong about is that there's no solution to it. If you want to hear my thoughts about it, including a solution, then read this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82309&find=unread Nah, better yet, just keep playing the game. You'll be happy when it's fixed, but since you don't believe there are any possible solutions, then you should continue being "over it." I wonder what that's like.. to feel defeated when immediately confronted with a difficult problem.

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