DUST Search - scramble rifle is junk.. everyone just use the tactical AR.. boring

V lord wrote:

Ok so I was pretty excited. Have proficiency 3 in scramble rifle. The Imperial is nothing close to the tactical.. the over heat makes it useless. When the gun overheats not only cant i melee someone but I cant swap to my SMG. Pathetic

If that doesnt make the gun junk then its the fact there is no range or no sharpshooter skill for it. Thus its trash.

So we are all stuck using one gun still. Please dear god balance this stuff a bit more. Doesnt ccp test any of this or have consultants.

Even with assault suit 2 and me gettting a 10% reduction in heat build up its junk.. There isnt even a heat sink module for the gun that might go in my high slots. That would be nice.. but the Tac AR doesnt need module in the high slots to make it good. I also dont need to spend 4mil sp on assault suit 5 to make a AR good.. but for the scramble rifle you need to get a 25% heat build up reduction just to make it more effective? Who comes up with this stuff?

So the things that matter to this gun are not even in the after proficiency stage.. reduced heat.. or increased range.. or.. no its reduced PG (who cares) and faster reload (again.. why)

Sorry for the rant but i was pretty excited to get off the tac ar for something different and again a SP dump for trash

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V lord KL0NE 1	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:50:00 - [1] - Quote Ok so I was pretty excited. Have proficiency 3 in scramble rifle. The Imperial is nothing close to the tactical.. the over heat makes it useless. When the gun overheats not only cant i melee someone but I cant swap to my SMG. Pathetic If that doesnt make the gun junk then its the fact there is no range or no sharpshooter skill for it. Thus its trash. So we are all stuck using one gun still. Please dear god balance this stuff a bit more. Doesnt ccp test any of this or have consultants. Even with assault suit 2 and me gettting a 10% reduction in heat build up its junk.. There isnt even a heat sink module for the gun that might go in my high slots. That would be nice.. but the Tac AR doesnt need module in the high slots to make it good. I also dont need to spend 4mil sp on assault suit 5 to make a AR good.. but for the scramble rifle you need to get a 25% heat build up reduction just to make it more effective? Who comes up with this stuff? So the things that matter to this gun are not even in the after proficiency stage.. reduced heat.. or increased range.. or.. no its reduced PG (who cares) and faster reload (again.. why) Sorry for the rant but i was pretty excited to get off the tac ar for something different and again a SP dump for trash
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 616	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:59:00 - [2] - Quote No sharpshooter skill for any gun anymore. Thus by your genius logic TAC AR is trash.
Raz Warsaw Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:59:00 - [3] - Quote Yep game is trash, TAR and LAVs, say what you want about CoD but at least it was fun
Quirky CatchPhrase The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2013.05.24 18:04:00 - [4] - Quote tier one weps are all mostly bad compared to advanced and proto /just_saying
V lord KL0NE 1	Posted - 2013.05.24 18:10:00 - [5] - Quote I have proto scramble rifle its the Imperial.. thats why I brought this up... it could be a Tac AR equivalent but because of the issues I have stated its not. I have sharpshooter 3 and proficiency 4 for the Tac AR and the range is great.. so dont know why you mean by there is no sharpshooter
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 830	Posted - 2013.05.24 18:16:00 - [6] - Quote Raz Warsaw wrote: Yep game is trash, TAR and LAVs, say what you want about CoD but at least it was fun Don't forget grenade spam! (Seriously, those three things are approaching 4/5ths of all my deaths.)
V lord KL0NE 1	Posted - 2013.05.24 18:26:00 - [7] - Quote OH yea.. cant TOSS grenades when the scramble rifle is overheating too.. lame..
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1905	Posted - 2013.05.24 18:39:00 - [8] - Quote V lord wrote: If that doesnt make the gun junk then its the fact there is no range or no sharpshooter skill for it. Thus its trash. So we are all stuck using one gun still. Please dear god balance this stuff a bit more. Doesnt ccp test any of this or have consultants. Good question. They say they play their games, but from what I see they rely more on data than anything else. Only when something gets messed up, do they seem to care about feedback. The game right now is Tact. ARs + LAV with too much HP (free LAV at that). If you're using anything other than the Tact. AR, you're gimping yourself.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 475	Posted - 2013.05.24 18:41:00 - [9] - Quote Swarm Launchers are your friend.
Goat of Dover Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2013.05.24 18:51:00 - [10] - Quote I have no issues with the Scrabler Rifle. All I have to do is one shot, two shot, three shot, charge shot. I might over heat I might not that really depends on my trigger finger. The only ones that survive this are heavy suits and amarr mediums, damn things are just really beefy. Really I mean you will tear straight through a caldari and Mini well they have to have great gun game cause when there shields are gone they are just like Caldari really squishy. The Gallente I just don't think I have met really a whole lot who fit them right yet or their speed really effects their gun game. Also if you get a charged headshot you can kiss it good bye idk what your EHP is but, it is zero after that and if its not I have three shots to follow up with before I over heat better be quick. Is the TAR better I would say yes to the plain and simple game of it all. But the Scrabler rifle is just so much fun can't wait till I can get proto with it. I think it should do a little bit more to shields but thats just my opinion on an adv level against protos regularly dont know proto on proto yet. Am I fan boying yea maybe a little. I see its weakness and have accepted that it is not as great as th TAR but it is still not bad as you make it seem.

Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 257	Posted - 2013.05.24 19:04:00 - [11] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: No sharpshooter skill for any gun anymore. Thus by your genius logic TAC AR is trash. Sharpshooter skill DOES exist on TAC AR, it reduces recoil/bullet dispersion now. That doesn't exist on the SR, and to the OP The fact that I can one hit kill people using the SR is what makes it good. Just because its different from the TAC AR doesn't mean its bad.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 322	Posted - 2013.05.24 19:11:00 - [12] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Swarm Launchers are your friend. You get a +1 for that
Celeblhach Liberum Sapiens Xenodochi 22	Posted - 2013.05.24 19:16:00 - [13] - Quote Yea. This is pretty common knowledge. Scrambler is fun, but not viable for competitive play. There's a pretty big thread in Feedback and Requests about it. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78385&find=unread
Full Metal Kitten Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 504	Posted - 2013.05.24 19:25:00 - [14] - Quote I haven't fired a TAC AR in two weeks and I'm doing fine. Game needs improvement, but the only trash I see is the QQ posting.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 223	Posted - 2013.05.24 19:33:00 - [15] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Swarm Launchers are your friend. How does that swarm launcher work for you when you're getting shot at by a TAR? Seriously... About 5-10% of my kills now are people running around with swarm launchers like its meant to do something.
V lord KL0NE 2	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:28:00 - [16] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: I haven't fired a TAC AR in two weeks and I'm doing fine. Game needs improvement, but the only trash I see is the QQ posting. Did you just QQ about a whiner... its posts like yours that clutter the forums without data to make the game better.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 256	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:30:00 - [17] - Quote Look at the numbers of the SCR versus TAR. The TAR has a range bonus but is worse in every other way. The SCR sort of makes up for that with the ability to charge your shot. SCR is definitely a gun that requires more skill to use, but in the right hands it can be better in a lot of situations. I am swaying realllly hard on whether to respec into SCR or AR. AR would be eaiser, but I think SCR would be better in the long run.
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:31:00 - [18] - Quote Charge your shots lmao.
Novawolf McDustingham The514th Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:31:00 - [19] - Quote They should really nerf that Dragonfly scout suit. That whole thing it does where the stuff happens is totally lame.
DJINN Zact Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 16	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:34:00 - [20] - Quote I used to not have a Duvolle Tac, now I do and I am winning almost all of my firefights now. It's fun for a while but there's no competition.

Night Ward Ametat Security Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:42:00 - [21] - Quote Dust 514 is the only game to date that has me longing for a "new" COD game. Please COD Ghost, release early, tired of this so called Groundbreaking AAA FPS title.
Junko Mori OMNI Endeavors Reverberation Project 18	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:33:00 - [22] - Quote SR is fine I have proto level and its awesome :) Wield the charge version like a standoff weapon *or if your good YOU CAn CQC with it but you need support (from a HMG) and you will kick ass The assault version ..Burst your shots no spray and pray bullshit. weapons in combo are deadly
Guts7 Berserk Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 3	Posted - 2013.05.28 21:57:00 - [23] - Quote The SR need a buff because it have the heat function that makes it worse than other weapons. (AR) The SR overheating keep it in check so or the AR nerf or the SR dmg little Buff to fix the imbalance could be good to the game.
Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 69	Posted - 2013.05.28 22:51:00 - [24] - Quote It's far from junk. It's just the usual case of the TAR being a completely unbalanced mess.
Numot MTG DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2013.05.28 23:12:00 - [25] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: I haven't fired a TAC AR in two weeks and I'm doing fine. Game needs improvement, but the only trash I see is the QQ posting. Amen
Numot MTG DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2013.05.28 23:15:00 - [26] - Quote V lord wrote: Full Metal Kitten wrote: I haven't fired a TAC AR in two weeks and I'm doing fine. Game needs improvement, but the only trash I see is the QQ posting. Did you just QQ about a whiner... its posts like yours that clutter the forums without data to make the game better. CCP, you gave us a like button, can you please give us dislike, thumbs down, downvote button for whiny QQers like V lord. I am sorry you are bad with that gun V lord, just stick to your no skill gun.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 342	Posted - 2013.05.28 23:21:00 - [27] - Quote V lord wrote: Ok so I was pretty excited. Have proficiency 3 in scramble rifle. The Imperial is nothing close to the tactical.. the over heat makes it useless. When the gun overheats not only cant i melee someone but I cant swap to my SMG. Pathetic If that doesnt make the gun junk then its the fact there is no range or no sharpshooter skill for it. Thus its trash. So we are all stuck using one gun still. Please dear god balance this stuff a bit more. Doesnt ccp test any of this or have consultants. Even with assault suit 2 and me gettting a 10% reduction in heat build up its junk.. There isnt even a heat sink module for the gun that might go in my high slots. That would be nice.. but the Tac AR doesnt need module in the high slots to make it good. I also dont need to spend 4mil sp on assault suit 5 to make a AR good.. but for the scramble rifle you need to get a 25% heat build up reduction just to make it more effective? Who comes up with this stuff? So the things that matter to this gun are not even in the after proficiency stage.. reduced heat.. or increased range.. or.. no its reduced PG (who cares) and faster reload (again.. why) Sorry for the rant but i was pretty excited to get off the tac ar for something different and again a SP dump for trash Oh mate then you aren't using this baby right. It may not have the range of the Tac but those nancy boys get way too over confident in most fire fights. The Scrambler Rifle requires quick burst fire no more than 5-7 shots and landing 5 of them is about all you ever need within the weapons optimal. I'm running an Imperial Scrambler Rifle, Three enhanced Damage Mods, my armour tanking set up, and Im ravaging most people who come into optimal. Also you are talking about a kinda brokeded weapon..... balance that tac to the standards of other guns doing what they were intended to do and perhaps we wont see threads like this complaining about a really cool gun.
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 65	Posted - 2013.05.28 23:47:00 - [28] - Quote The Scram rifle is actually pretty wonderful. To unlock it's full potential, make sure you've skilled up Amarr Assault all the way to take advantage of the 25% reduction in heat build up. And yes, please everyone spec into TAC AR. I can't wait to hear all the crying when the patch notes come out.
Talpa Lute Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.05.28 23:50:00 - [29] - Quote im about 67k SP away from being a no gun skill having scab. WOO I CANT WAIT
Victin Ashis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 25	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:24:00 - [30] - Quote The SR has significantly lower recoil on it than the TAR does making it much easier to track targets while firing. it is especially effective against cal and min suits that are shield based but I find it quite easy to kill even heavies in one clip. I was able to use both the TAR and the SCR and find the SCR much more enjoyable to use.

Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 20	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:32:00 - [31] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: V lord wrote: If that doesnt make the gun junk then its the fact there is no range or no sharpshooter skill for it. Thus its trash. So we are all stuck using one gun still. Please dear god balance this stuff a bit more. Doesnt ccp test any of this or have consultants. Good question. They say they play their games, but from what I see they rely more on data than anything else. Only when something gets messed up, do they seem to care about feedback. The game right now is Tact. ARs + LAV with too much HP (free LAV at that). If you're using anything other than the Tact. AR, you're gimping yourself. No. I'm using caldari proto basic with 3 complex shields and a light complex damage mod with a GEK-38 and I'm owning... Don't know what your talking about lol
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 308	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:45:00 - [32] - Quote The SCAR is fun and sounds great. It does good damage just inside the TACs range, if you use their over confidence against them and work as a squad with multiple weapon types then there is not problems with TACs or LAVs. I do agree that the TAC is slightly OP only because no other weapon can touch it except SN and advanced or better LR. The Viziam does out range the TAC but the sights make it very difficult to use at range.
Eldest Dragon D3LTA ACADEMY 24	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:53:00 - [33] - Quote V lord wrote: Ok so I was pretty excited. Have proficiency 3 in scramble rifle. The Imperial is nothing close to the tactical.. the over heat makes it useless. When the gun overheats not only cant i melee someone but I cant swap to my SMG. Pathetic If that doesnt make the gun junk then its the fact there is no range or no sharpshooter skill for it. Thus its trash. So we are all stuck using one gun still. Please dear god balance this stuff a bit more. Doesnt ccp test any of this or have consultants. Even with assault suit 2 and me gettting a 10% reduction in heat build up its junk.. There isnt even a heat sink module for the gun that might go in my high slots. That would be nice.. but the Tac AR doesnt need module in the high slots to make it good. I also dont need to spend 4mil sp on assault suit 5 to make a AR good.. but for the scramble rifle you need to get a 25% heat build up reduction just to make it more effective? Who comes up with this stuff? So the things that matter to this gun are not even in the after proficiency stage.. reduced heat.. or increased range.. or.. no its reduced PG (who cares) and faster reload (again.. why) Sorry for the rant but i was pretty excited to get off the tac ar for something different and again a SP dump for trash Assault suit 5 only cost 2.5 m sp now and the med basic lvl 3 prerequisite is 500,000 sp. Just letting ya know . =)
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 330	Posted - 2013.05.29 03:55:00 - [34] - Quote That's because you haven't used the assault variant. Try it and you'll hate this gun even more.


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