Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 11:26:00 -
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Dedicated AV gunner here. Some of you have probably lost **** to me, so hopefully this give me some weight.
Swarms - 70% Shield, 130% Armor
Forge Gun - 110% Shield, 90% Armor
See any problem there? I do. We need a better spread of AV weapons. Where's my 130% Shield 70% armor gun?(Hint: CCP has no plans to make one).
On the one hand, Swarms are absolutely AMAZING at wrecking armor tankers, but completely bite balls killing a well-kitted and skilled Gunlogi/Falchion tank. Seriously. I've dumped my entire swarm load(6 Proto Swarms) w/ 3 Complex mods and Proficiency III into a Gunlogi(*Cough* Sir Meade *Cough*), only to have it just shrug off the damage and run away. So I'm not sure about the whole "When do I get to go toe to toe with an AVer" argument. A well kitted Shield tank with a Driver that has invested a large number of SP into Vehicle Upgrades CAN stand toe to toe.
Then again, I've ripped apart proto-fit Mardrugars (Spelling?) in sometimes as little as 3 shots.
On the other hand, I've got my Forge Gunner alt. Proto Assault FG's, Complex Damage mods, etc.
From his perspective, things are simply too fast. A well kitted tank had to completely go absent of his situational awareness to die to me(I.e. drive out into the open and come to a full stop, or stay out in the open if I have the high ground). While I do a sizeable chunk of damage, even with an Assault forge I have to be quite on the ball to kill someone. And forget standing toe to toe - I'm way too large of a target, and way too slow(especially charging a Forge) to be dodging and weaving like I do on my medium Swarm fit character.
Not sure what I was getting at there.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, the real issue arises from tankers expecting their large vehicles which cost large amounts of money to be able to shrug off huge damage and keep going, with minimal skill investments. Militia tanks are cannon fodder, and Standard tanks require a very keen mind to fit, and ALOT of skill points to get to the hardened, rolling brick stage. If I play my cards right, with proto AV gear, I can potentially kill a well piloted, high SP tank. Frankly, I fear what's going to happen when they bring in ADV and Proto tanks with higher base EHP and better fitting capacity than the current STD tanks. At that point, we're going to have to have coordinated, dedicated, proto fit AV tank hunting groups in order to kill them. In a PC match - yea - that makes perfect sense. 0 complaints as far as having them in PC goes. But just like now - with corps like UPS, WTF, Seraphim, and so many others stacking 6-12 man Proto/Officer fit teams in pub matches - the moment someone brings in one of these EHP monster ADV/Proto tanks in to a Pub game(Because this game does not revolve around PC!) we're going to be right back where we were closing Chromosome, with the public screaming 'tanks are OP, tanks are OP', and CCP (probably) beating them with a nerf bat.
Though the whole.. Pub match imbalance thing.. Really is a whole other matter entirely.
Edit: Tl;dr - If you are running in any other tank but Shield fit Gunlogi right now, you're doing it wrong. |