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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
3171
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:27:00 -
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I appreciate your enthusiasm. May it serve you well as you're yelling BAIL BAIL BAIL!!! |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
105
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I appreciate your enthusiasm. May it serve you well as you're yelling BAIL BAIL BAIL!!!
Hah, I almost never have to scream it.
The last 20 matches, only lost 2, one to an RDV spawn, and the other to that weird glitch tile that floats above the ground. I've been hit by every type of AV, and while they hurt, they won't kill me easily.
Newbs, yes, you will up. Not myself. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
105
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:10:00 -
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It doesn't hurt that Gallente Dropships tend to fair better than Caldari Dropships under Forge Gun fire. |
Moochie Cricket
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
268
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:25:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:Proto dropship vs standard AV is balanced. Proto dropship vs advanced AV is possible if the pilot is very good. Proto dropship vs proto AV is a complete waste of isk. With the right speed boosters you can engage ground targets and gtfo rather quickly. The only problems I run into are the proto assault guns. They won't one shot me, but they can land a couple of hits on me even with my high speed. I am not complaining though, because if they weren't shooting at me, I would just park above them and faceroll their entire team for the duration of the match. This means you must constantly be at high speed to avoid death. However, a dropship at high speeds is useless. You can't pick people up at high speeds and can't act as a gunship at high speeds. You didn't hear me correctly. You must learn how to enter engagements and how to pull out. You can't expect to survive staying engaged on ground targets 100 percent, and you will be very sad and useless if you stay 100 percent moving and out of combat.
No I heard you just fine. I know everything there is to know about dropships and the different ways to fly them. The only dropship I have not flown is the gallente assault dropship so I am curious about your fitting. Speed boosters take up alot of pg away from your tank so Im guessing you run away alot to repair. Running away that much makes you useless. Congratulations on never losing your dropship because you are such an awesome pilot. A quick glance at your stats tells me how much of an asset you are to the team. You have a .89 w/l ratio, which proves that your method of flying does nothing for the team. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1762
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:50:00 -
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A question Mary, how long have you been flying? And what exactly do you do to support your team?
And one last question, have you ever been hit by a proto forge gun with the user using damage mods? Cause you wouldn't be making fun of the breach if you have. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
3178
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:52:00 -
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gbghg wrote:A question Mary, how long have you been flying? And what exactly do you do to support your team?
And one last question, have you ever been hit by a proto forge gun with the user using damage mods? Cause you wouldn't be making fun of the breach if you have.
I'm putting Mary on my watch list so I can upload the videos of her ship crashing and burning, should we cross paths ^_^ |
Mer Kure
DUST University Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.05.24 00:57:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:Proto dropship vs standard AV is balanced. Proto dropship vs advanced AV is possible if the pilot is very good. Proto dropship vs proto AV is a complete waste of isk.
To be fair, it IS meant to be AV for a reason, it would be a waste to focus on AV if it was not effective against vehicles. Not to mention it'd be a bit OP if even what's meant to take them down didn't do well against it.
Remember, its not just about learning to be a good pilot, good strategy is needed for flying as well.
Some stuff to keep in mind for Dropship pilots: - Remember, piloting a Dropship does not mean you can just go solo and win, Dropships need a team as much as ground units. - Basic warfare rule: The higher you fly, the more vulnerable you are, the more of the ground you can see, the better and easier the ground units can see you, don't try to just fly above everything and expect to be safe, Dropships need to use cover as much as ground units do. - AV weapons work against ground units too, not just ships, having an AV player in your squad can increase your chances to keep your ship the entire match. If there are blasters/ tanks trying to shoot you down, get your teammates to take them down, Attack Installations usually take 3 militia Swarm shots, even with a reload after the 2nd. (4 if you give them some time to regen shields.) Tanks will usually run away when hit by them, if not at least will take the attention away form you as they try to get them instead. - If no teammates/ squad available you may want to create an AV fit, when under attack reach a rooftop if possible or some other safe point to recall your ship until the threat is taken care of. - As the match starts, try to get your team to destroy as many non-CRU Installations, no/ less installations means less chance of a red hacking them to use against you or quickly switch to an AV fit to take you out, especially the enemy red-line ones if in Skirm/ Dom. - Dropship side turrets are extremely useful, getting a teammate to shoot at an AV red can buy you enough time to escape, if you're luck he might even take him out. Not not mention it makes it extra easy to take out enemy Dropships. - No risks, if you've got 2 swarms and a FG shooting you, get your gunners on them and escape/ go behind cover or out of range until someone takes care of them, don't try to risk some crazy maneuver unless you're fully ready to give up that ship. If no one's available, go hide and recall your ship. - Study your enemy, BE your enemy, you'll learn how to best counter AV attacks if you try them yourself. I highly encourage any pilot to have an alt that specializes as an AV unit, that way you'll learn how to take down ships, and thus how to avoid/ counter such.
I'm claiming to be a "Dropship pro" tho not a newbie either, just sharing some stuff I've been taught by others and learned as I've flown, crashed, been shot down, have shot down, and studied others fly and shoot down plenty Dropship, all which have helped me survive a lot better while piloting, you'd be surprised how many just ignore everything after they learn how to control the ship well enough.
Mind you, even with all the precautions, one's still going to get shot down here and there, no build really is (or should be) invincible, but it should help somewhat.
Hopefully this helps some pilots out there. (Or hopefully I'm corrected if I've made any mistakes, don't want to be spreading bad tips.) |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1767
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Posted - 2013.05.24 01:12:00 -
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Actually in my experience flying near the top of the height ceiling is the safest place to be, your out of range of pretty much all AV and railguns generally can't elevate high enough to shoot you. It's becoming my standard operating procedure in an ADS to fly near the top of the flight ceiling, swoop down when I spot a target like another dropships or a tank, or if my squad requests some help dealing with enemy infantry, and once I've death with them or harassed them sufficiently afterburning straight back up to the flight ceiling.
That said when I am low down I tend to take advantage of whatever cover I can. |
CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
81
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Posted - 2013.05.24 01:31:00 -
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Good luck my friend I tried telling you. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
614
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Posted - 2013.05.24 05:07:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:I'm talking no lifers or people that just play alot (no offense intended)
Are dropships really that bad? It seems like if you were maxed out in dropships (say you're a armor assault ds pilot) and you had all your armor plates and PG and CPU armor hardeners, damage control. It would make some difference right?
I fly a Myron at the moment but will be respeccing completely into dropships, not even going to choose a base class to start as. And I can last an entire match even with forges/railguns on the map. Are dropships really that bad or are people just complaining to be complaining? You sir, yes you! Have you ever taken a ADV/Prototype Forgegun to the rear and were able to recover in time to survive the second hit? (That's if you actually survived the first hit without dropping out of the sky)
If not, may I invite you to? It's a wonderful way to lose +1 million ISK. |
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Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.05.24 05:12:00 -
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Mer Kure wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:Proto dropship vs standard AV is balanced. Proto dropship vs advanced AV is possible if the pilot is very good. Proto dropship vs proto AV is a complete waste of isk. To be fair, it IS meant to be AV for a reason, it would be a waste to focus on AV if it was not effective against vehicles. Not to mention it'd be a bit OP if even what's meant to take them down didn't do well against it. Remember, its not just about learning to be a good pilot, good strategy is needed for flying as well. Some stuff to keep in mind for Dropship pilots: - Remember, piloting a Dropship does not mean you can just go solo and win, Dropships need a team as much as ground units. - Basic warfare rule: The higher you fly, the more vulnerable you are, the more of the ground you can see, the better and easier the ground units can see you, don't try to just fly above everything and expect to be safe, Dropships need to use cover as much as ground units do. - AV weapons work against ground units too, not just ships, having an AV player in your squad can increase your chances to keep your ship the entire match. If there are blasters/ tanks trying to shoot you down, get your teammates to take them down, Attack Installations usually take 3 militia Swarm shots, even with a reload after the 2nd. (4 if you give them some time to regen shields.) Tanks will usually run away when hit by them, if not at least will take the attention away form you as they try to get them instead. - If no teammates/ squad available you may want to create an AV fit, when under attack reach a rooftop if possible or some other safe point to recall your ship until the threat is taken care of. - As the match starts, try to get your team to destroy as many non-CRU Installations, no/ less installations means less chance of a red hacking them to use against you or quickly switch to an AV fit to take you out, especially the enemy red-line ones if in Skirm/ Dom. - Dropship side turrets are extremely useful, getting a teammate to shoot at an AV red can buy you enough time to escape, if you're luck he might even take him out. Not not mention it makes it extra easy to take out enemy Dropships. - No risks, if you've got 2 swarms and a FG shooting you, get your gunners on them and escape/ go behind cover or out of range until someone takes care of them, don't try to risk some crazy maneuver unless you're fully ready to give up that ship. If no one's available, go hide and recall your ship. - Study your enemy, BE your enemy, you'll learn how to best counter AV attacks if you try them yourself. I highly encourage any pilot to have an alt that specializes as an AV unit, that way you'll learn how to take down ships, and thus how to avoid/ counter such. I'm claiming to be a "Dropship pro" tho not a newbie either, just sharing some stuff I've been taught by others and learned as I've flown, crashed, been shot down, have shot down, and studied others fly and shoot down plenty Dropship, all which have helped me survive a lot better while piloting, you'd be surprised how many just ignore everything after they learn how to control the ship well enough. Mind you, even with all the precautions, one's still going to get shot down here and there, no build really is (or should be) invincible, but it should help somewhat. Hopefully this helps some pilots out there. (Or hopefully I'm corrected if I've made any mistakes, don't want to be spreading bad tips.)
You Gallenteans always try to act like you know something but you really don't have the slightest clue. Good thing you're in a university, you Gallente twack. |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.05.24 05:15:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I appreciate your enthusiasm. May it serve you well as you're yelling BAIL BAIL BAIL!!! Hah, I almost never have to scream it. The last 20 matches, only lost 2, one to an RDV spawn, and the other to that weird glitch tile that floats above the ground. I've been hit by every type of AV, and while they hurt, they won't kill me easily. Newbs, yes, you will up. Not myself. Again with these Gallente idiots. Why are we, the proud Minmatar race, aligned with such lying, pretentious, profligates?
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
3185
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Posted - 2013.05.24 05:37:00 -
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Auld Syne wrote:Again with these Gallente idiots. Why are we, the proud Minmatar race, aligned with such lying, pretentious, profligates?
I've concluded that you must be a pawn of the Federation that wants to keep the dropships weak because you know the Caldari would rip you apart in this sky.
Well played Lap dog.
Just because you're free doesn't mean you still aren't a slave, learn your place. Caldari couldn't rip apart paper airplanes in a rainstorm, they're a non factor, and so are you
(And he probably does want to keep dropships weak / doesn't actually understand the game well enough to realize why dropships are actually in a very bad position right now ) |
Mer Kure
DUST University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2013.05.24 10:48:00 -
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Auld Syne wrote:
You Gallenteans always try to act like you know something but you really don't have the slightest clue. Good thing you're in a university, you Gallente twack.
Thus why I asked to correct me if you can, I don't claim to know best and will fully admit to mistakes, IF proven wrong. Come on, I know Minmatar are better than that, so skip the petty insults and prove how wrong it is I am instead.
(PS: Just because I'm in an University does not mean I'm a student, tho everyone can always do with some learning.) |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1395
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Posted - 2013.05.24 11:32:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:Proto dropship vs standard AV is balanced. Proto dropship vs advanced AV is possible if the pilot is very good. Proto dropship vs proto AV is a complete waste of isk. With the right speed boosters you can engage ground targets and gtfo rather quickly. The only problems I run into are the proto assault guns. They won't one shot me, but they can land a couple of hits on me even with my high speed. I am not complaining though, because if they weren't shooting at me, I would just park above them and faceroll their entire team for the duration of the match. This means you must constantly be at high speed to avoid death. However, a dropship at high speeds is useless. You can't pick people up at high speeds and can't act as a gunship at high speeds. You didn't hear me correctly. You must learn how to enter engagements and how to pull out. You can't expect to survive staying engaged on ground targets 100 percent, and you will be very sad and useless if you stay 100 percent moving and out of combat. No I heard you just fine. I know everything there is to know about dropships and the different ways to fly them. The only dropship I have not flown is the gallente assault dropship so I am curious about your fitting. Speed boosters take up alot of pg away from your tank so Im guessing you run away alot to repair. Running away that much makes you useless. Congratulations on never losing your dropship because you are such an awesome pilot. A quick glance at your stats tells me how much of an asset you are to the team. You have a .89 w/l ratio, which proves that your method of flying does nothing for the team.
I guarantee the guy flies around in instant battles where there's no AV, assuming he actually flies at all. I've never seen him in the air, have any of you? I mean, we all see each other, I recognize every dropship pilot here from in game except the one guy claiming his dropships are magically awesomesauce. |
The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
22
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Posted - 2013.05.24 11:39:00 -
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...never seen that person fly anything and I have been in since closed beta. |
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