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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:29:00 -
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CCP, we would like to have our racial suits or a partial respec when they are added to game. I understand you all are very busy, but I do not think this is too much to ask. It is after all the "full release", so should have been added on 5/14 anyway.
Thank you. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
75
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:22:00 -
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bump
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1066
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:23:00 -
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no. |
Herli Pascal
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
32
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:42:00 -
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In principle I agree with the OP but only to a point. The differences between the races for the basic frames is very minimal and it's only when you get into the specialized frames that difference begin to become relevant. If you have spent your SP properly most of your skills will apply to almost all of the dropsuit types. What the new dropsuit variants will provide is further specializations to add to your arsenal. Not having meaningful goals to spend SP will become a problem later on as the game develops, as evidenced by Eve Online. These new dropsuits will at least delay this problem for a few months.
Don't look at new dropsuits and weapon types as a missed opportunity but a chance to further expand your capabilities. |
Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
93
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:43:00 -
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+1 i'd be cool with this but ONLY the racial heavy and scout suit skills. NOTHING else. full respecs should probably be gone by the 31st, those are incredibly rare in eve but there are skill point refunds from time to time.
considering this is putting in what are basically missing features, i think this counts as appropriate circumstances.
this would also include refunding dropship, HAV and LAV skills when their respective racial variants appear |
Appia Vibbia
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:50:00 -
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Herli Pascal wrote:In principle I agree with the OP but only to a point. The differences between the races for the basic frames is very minimal and it's only when you get into the specialized frames that difference begin to become relevant. If you have spent your SP properly most of your skills will apply to almost all of the dropsuit types. What the new dropsuit variants will provide is further specializations to add to your arsenal. Not having meaningful goals to spend SP will become a problem later on as the game develops, as evidenced by Eve Online. These new dropsuits will at least delay this problem for a few months.
Don't look at new dropsuits and weapon types as a missed opportunity but a chance to further expand your capabilities.
yup. more people that don't use the suits keep talking about how they work. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
77
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:06:00 -
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At the very least I think it would be prudent for CCP to give us the other racial dropsuit skill trees and apply some kind of generic "skin" to the missing dropsuits until the art dept. finalizes the designs for all the racial variants, at which point they could simply "reskin" the missing variants.
Although, not knowing where they stand in the development stage of the other racial suit variants makes it impossible to determine if this is a viable option. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1223
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:44:00 -
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yeah they should of finished flushing out the races but hopefully they will have it done in 6 months and we can have our last respec when all the suits change due to having stuff to balance them against finally. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2386
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:54:00 -
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CCP, how come I never received a partial respec for every ship you introduced during the past 10 years when you expanded on Eve Online? I remember back during 2003-2004 when the biggest ship in existennce was the battleship. Now we have more shipss such as the:
Orca Rorqual Hulk Mackinaw Skiff Venture Erebus Avatar Ragnorok Leviathan Proteus Tengu Loki Legion Oracle Naga Tornado Talos Moros Revelation that other dreadnaught that looks like a scrapheap of epic proportions
And that's just to name a few. Where are my partial respecs for that?
/sarcasm mode off
On a serious note, this is exactly how Dust will be since Dust and Eve are operating under the same universe and both sides are interacting with each other at this point. If CCP gives you a respec for every time they deliver a new item into the market, the Eve players will start demanding the same thing and keep in mind those players have 50 million SP on average with a few veteran players with over 200 million SP already.
Sorry, no. |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
50
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:02:00 -
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Honestly, how hard is it to just not spend your SP and be patient for the things you want? In the meantime you can spec into your race basic suits if you're adamant about using Caldari or Amarr only gear. If you want to be light but want to be Amarr, just be patient.
There should never be another respec from here on out. |
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RedBleach LeSanglant
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
240
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:10:00 -
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There will not be another total respec.
There may be some refunds if they come out with the new heavies for those who have skilled into them, or the same if DS racial variants come out for example. When new items come out i see no respec. If a new item variants come out i think a refund might be in order so that the character can choose which variant of the type he/she was already using they would like to spec into.
Only my opinion. |
jamstar saa187
Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack
8
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:11:00 -
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I agree with this 100%. i have lobbied earlier for a respec, but that was because i fundamentally disagreed with some of the changes that Uprising (5/14 release) brought to the game, and the fact that the skill reset was done a week in advance of the new weapons. Thus not all people knew what they were getting, and some people went deep into their respective disciplines not aware that the playing style had changed.
I mainly play as a Heavy, and i think a SP/ISK refund should be made for skill books & merchandise for Heavies (and other Dropsuits in a similar situation) who have not had their racial variants released yet. spending the better part of 4Mil SP on a suit, that may not be your racial preference is a issue IMO. its not like you can just earn that back in a week, and i also doubt too many players will want two racial variants of the same frame. I would rather invest that additional SP in a different discipline (if i had it).
so, yeah, refund SP for the Suits/Vehicles who's racial variant is not out yet. i doubt the people would want to abandon the class all together, they will just want to have the option to use the Proto suit that they really want. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:23:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:CCP, how come I never received a partial respec for every ship you introduced during the past 10 years when you expanded on Eve Online? I remember back during 2003-2004 when the biggest ship in existennce was the battleship. Now we have more shipss such as the:
that other dreadnaught that looks like a scrapheap of epic proportions
And that's just to name a few. Where are my partial respecs for that?
/sarcasm mode off
On a serious note, this is exactly how Dust will be since Dust and Eve are operating under the same universe and both sides are interacting with each other at this point. If CCP gives you a respec for every time they deliver a new item into the market, the Eve players will start demanding the same thing and keep in mind those players have 50 million SP on average with a few veteran players with over 200 million SP already.
Sorry, no.
Did they have the battleship class ship for all races? Expansions are different from "basic content". Basic content should include racial variants for all classes currently in existence!
I don't want a respec for "new content" or "expansions"
Having all of the proper racial variant suits for each currently existing class in the game on the "full release" is basic content not "new content". Basic content that is missing from the game! If they later add more classes for each race that is fine, but having all the currently existing classes represented under each race is basic content, which should already be in game.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:52:00 -
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Gigatron Prime wrote:Honestly, how hard is it to just not spend your SP and be patient for the things you want? In the meantime you can spec into your race basic suits if you're adamant about using Caldari or Amarr only gear. If you want to be light but want to be Amarr, just be patient.
There should never be another respec from here on out.
It is easy to not spend SP, what I do not like is being extremely limited in my loadouts, thereby being forced to spec into something I do not wish to spec into, potentially being out millions of SP as a result of speccing into something I will never use once all of the classes for each race are added to the game. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:16:00 -
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bump |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1847
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:33:00 -
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I don't expect a respec in the future, and people should go about their business like there's isn't going to be one either.
You have 3-5 months to save up SP. I don't see a problem. Yea it's unfortunate the heavy class only got 1 race to pick from in Uprising, but it is what it is. Skill up the basic suit, and if you don't want the sentinel suit, then wait for a better racial variant.
There's isn't gonna be a respec every time there's something new added. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2392
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:45:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:CCP, how come I never received a partial respec for every ship you introduced during the past 10 years when you expanded on Eve Online? I remember back during 2003-2004 when the biggest ship in existennce was the battleship. Now we have more shipss such as the:
that other dreadnaught that looks like a scrapheap of epic proportions
And that's just to name a few. Where are my partial respecs for that?
/sarcasm mode off
On a serious note, this is exactly how Dust will be since Dust and Eve are operating under the same universe and both sides are interacting with each other at this point. If CCP gives you a respec for every time they deliver a new item into the market, the Eve players will start demanding the same thing and keep in mind those players have 50 million SP on average with a few veteran players with over 200 million SP already.
Sorry, no. Did they have the battleship class ship for all races? Expansions are different from "basic content". Basic content should include racial variants for all classes currently in existence! I don't want a respec for "new content" or "expansions" Having all of the proper racial variant suits for each currently existing class in the game on the "full release" is basic content not "new content". Basic content that is missing from the game! If they later add more classes for each race that is fine, but having all the currently existing classes represented under each race is basic content, which should already be in game.
Technically we have not yet received any jovian ships. Too bad CCP doesn't want to share any of the OP stuff.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
84
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:55:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I don't expect a respec in the future, and people should go about their business like there's isn't going to be one either.
You have 3-5 months to save up SP. I don't see a problem. Yea it's unfortunate the heavy class only got 1 race to pick from in Uprising, but it is what it is. Skill up the basic suit, and if you don't want the sentinel suit, then wait for a better racial variant.
There's isn't gonna be a respec every time there's something new added.
The suits are not broken down by class>race>specialty
They are broken down by race>class>specialty
If I put SP into Amarr basic it would do me absolutely no good toward speccing into another race variant, so it would be a complete waste of SP once the other racial variants are added.
Also I'm not advocating a full respec, I would much rather have the other racial variant dropsuits, however if this is not possible I would like to be refunded only the SP that I have spent in the Amarr Heavy should I go that route (I haven't yet, but may be forced to due to the limitations of the MLT Heavy suit.) |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1225
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:57:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:CCP, how come I never received a partial respec for every ship you introduced during the past 10 years when you expanded on Eve Online? I remember back during 2003-2004 when the biggest ship in existennce was the battleship. Now we have more shipss such as the:
that other dreadnaught that looks like a scrapheap of epic proportions
And that's just to name a few. Where are my partial respecs for that?
/sarcasm mode off
On a serious note, this is exactly how Dust will be since Dust and Eve are operating under the same universe and both sides are interacting with each other at this point. If CCP gives you a respec for every time they deliver a new item into the market, the Eve players will start demanding the same thing and keep in mind those players have 50 million SP on average with a few veteran players with over 200 million SP already.
Sorry, no. Did they have the battleship class ship for all races? Expansions are different from "basic content". Basic content should include racial variants for all classes currently in existence!I don't want a respec for "new content" or "expansions" Hi! My name is crazy space you can vote for me in the next CPM becuase believe it or not, you're talking to a wall. People will defend dust into the ground.
You don't have to vote for me in the CPM :P But really, you are a brother of sanity, seriously. Eve was released with all races of all classes with weapons for each race of all sizes. We don't even have ammar or minmatar turrets, or maps, or tanks, or anything yet! |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1225
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:00:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I don't expect a respec in the future, and people should go about their business like there's isn't going to be one either.
You have 3-5 months to save up SP. I don't see a problem. Yea it's unfortunate the heavy class only got 1 race to pick from in Uprising, but it is what it is. Skill up the basic suit, and if you don't want the sentinel suit, then wait for a better racial variant.
There's isn't gonna be a respec every time there's something new added. The suits are not broken down by class>race>specialty They are broken down by race>class>specialty If I put SP into Amarr basic it would do me absolutely no good toward speccing into another race variant, so it would be a complete waste of SP once the other racial variants are added. Also I'm not advocating a full respec, I would much rather have the other racial variant dropsuits, however if this is not possible I would like to be refunded only the SP that I have spent in the Amarr Heavy should I go that route (I haven't yet, but may be forced to due to the limitations of the MLT Heavy suit.) Don't listen to the crazy people eve has done this before and they refund your sp into a pool. and that game doesn't even use an sp pool. I've still got 2 million sitting in mine, hehe. |
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TERMINALANCE
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:03:00 -
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They should just add the suits using the armar model and make them dif colors for this build. then add the proper models later that way we can skill into the heavy suits we want now and see/get our racial bonuses. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:41:00 -
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bumpity bump de-bump |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:42:00 -
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I'm not going away so bump. |
Bubbles moon
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:47:00 -
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You could try repling to people instead of bumping |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
355
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:49:00 -
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Jeeze, it's annoying how many people think we're lobbying for a respec every time we get new content. We're lobbying for a respec when we get core, basic, fundamental concept that unfortunately missed launch. And what is this core content? Just the 5 missing suits, that's it. Nothing else. What would be so wrong about that? And telling people to be patient with their SP for basic content like this is a poor excuse. It works for stuff like new guns or vehicles that we'll get in the future, but not for this.
Also why does everyone go around speaking like CCP 100% confirmed anything here? As far as I'm concerned they never said anything regarding this subject. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.05.22 23:00:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Jeeze, it's annoying how many people think we're lobbying for a respec every time we get new content. We're lobbying for a respec when we get core, basic, fundamental concept that unfortunately missed launch. And what is this core content? Just the 5 missing suits, that's it. Nothing else. What would be so wrong about that? And telling people to be patient with their SP for basic content like this is a poor excuse. It works for stuff like new guns or vehicles that we'll get in the future, but not for this.
Also why does everyone go around speaking like CCP 100% confirmed anything here? As far as I'm concerned they never said anything regarding this subject.
Thank you! It is nice to see someone else on these forums that is able to use logic. It amazes me how people see the word "respec" and fly off of their rocker with some overly outrageous emotional response, ignoring any logical argument in the entire thread. Worse even are the posters who do not take the time to read the OP, let alone any other post in the thread before posting some nonsensical babble. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.05.22 23:01:00 -
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TERMINALANCE wrote:They should just add the suits using the armar model and make them dif colors for this build. then add the proper models later that way we can skill into the heavy suits we want now and see/get our racial bonuses.
I suggested this on an earlier post in this thread. Please peruse all posts before posting. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.05.22 23:58:00 -
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Herli Pascal wrote:In principle I agree with the OP but only to a point. The differences between the races for the basic frames is very minimal and it's only when you get into the specialized frames that difference begin to become relevant. If you have spent your SP properly most of your skills will apply to almost all of the dropsuit types. What the new dropsuit variants will provide is further specializations to add to your arsenal. Not having meaningful goals to spend SP will become a problem later on as the game develops, as evidenced by Eve Online. These new dropsuits will at least delay this problem for a few months.
Don't look at new dropsuits and weapon types as a missed opportunity but a chance to further expand your capabilities.
How do you even know what the difference between the other races' basic heavy frames are? Do you have insider information? I have seen no information relating to this.
Agreed certain skills will apply to all dropsuit types, however I wish to specialize in something we should have, but do not. I am not willing to waste SP speccing into Amarr Heavy Frames.
I cannot "add to my arsenal" because my main build is incomplete, and will remain so until all Racial Variant Dropsuits are added!
I do not want to run assault or anything else until I complete my specialty. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.05.23 01:05:00 -
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bump |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement
228
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Posted - 2013.05.23 08:18:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Gigatron Prime wrote:Honestly, how hard is it to just not spend your SP and be patient for the things you want? In the meantime you can spec into your race basic suits if you're adamant about using Caldari or Amarr only gear. If you want to be light but want to be Amarr, just be patient.
There should never be another respec from here on out. It is easy to not spend SP, what I do not like is being extremely limited in my loadouts, thereby being forced to spec into something I do not wish to spec into, potentially being out millions of SP as a result of speccing into something I will never use once all of the classes for each race are added to the game.
besides us heavies only have ONE race to spec into, and thats the AMARR basic suits. sentinal suits is a waste of SP, but if CCP were to change the amarr basic frame skill into a universal heavy frame skill then thats fine, we can just skill into the racial suits of our choosing. |
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