I honestly believe there are problems beyond the gameplay mechanics that need to be addressed to make the game more fundamentally sound. The only major gameplay element is to out kill your enemy. People have grumbled about this before, that even the game modes that have asset objectives (Skirmish and Domination) you can revert to out killing rather than out performing your enemy.

Whatever the intention for the Scout, Logistics, or Sentinel classes were and whatever the intentions for the Pilot and Commando classes are, everyone will simply figure out the best way to DPS. Everyone is just a different shaped Assault at the moment.

Organic battles, like the one in EVE several months ago that had over 2000 players, simply canGÇÖt occur in DUST. We are unable to storm enemy planets without a 24hr warning timer. We canGÇÖt abandon a lost cause or initiate a route to a different district. The only strategy is: announce yourself, show up tomorrow to fight, and play in a normal Skirmish mode. Why canGÇÖt I log in, look at my Starmap for a warzone, and drop into a massive fight? What other FPS, or MMO for that matter, operates on a day long timer? In EVE you are allowed to fly around and attack whoever you stumble upon. In DUST I need to stand in a queue for several minutes with a list of my allies and opponents readily available. ThatGÇÖs how a sporting event works, not a paramilitary operation.

Another problem is that players in DUST donGÇÖt really own any assets on a map, which is why objective play is hard to achieve currently. Defenders technically GÇ£ownGÇ¥ the whole map, but there are no individual assets really worth protecting aside from GÇ£half+1 lone cannonsGÇ¥. If there were legitimate assets that held meaningful impact on the flow of battle, people would gladly sacrifice themselves in order to hold them. Planetside understood this, and gave players military bases to defend and attack. Getting inside a PS base was tough work, and laying a hack deep inside was worse. Then if you did turn it to your side, it required time to bring all its functions online (like the spawn beacon or vehicle depot). In DUST, all you have is empty building one or empty building two, and each maybe has a good vantage point. But if you get kicked out of a GÇ£good spotGÇ¥ in DUST there is no reason to go take it back if it will cost more clones. The maps are almost completely non-interactive.

Wow, I wasn't expecting a cogent and level headed response, much less as the first comment to the thread.

As for my response, you make very valid point. We obviously have some differing opinions but overall I'd agree with your counterpoints. Specifically about the weapon ranges, I suppose I was trying to address the overabundance of Tac ARs in battles. Their popularity may be akin to the fitting flavor of the month in Eve, and if that's the case I don't think the devs should try to actively shift the meta barring some sort of imbalance.

Also thanks for the tip about the aim assist. I'm going to have to try that.

Were you expecting something more along the lines of "Kitten mittens he's the devil! And goons can all go the hell!!1!"?

Personally I think DS3 users should turn off aim-assist as well. I alternated back and forth with it over the last week and a half, and honestly once I re-acclimate to the assist being off, I find aiming to be better, smoother, and quicker

I honestly believe there are problems beyond the gameplay mechanics that need to be addressed to make the game more fundamentally sound. The only major gameplay element is to out kill your enemy. People have grumbled about this before, that even the game modes that have asset objectives (Skirmish and Domination) you can revert to out killing rather than out performing your enemy.

Organic battles, like the one in EVE several months ago that had over 2000 players, simply canGÇÖt occur in DUST. We are unable to storm enemy planets without a 24hr warning timer. We canGÇÖt abandon a lost cause or initiate a route to a different district. The only strategy is: announce yourself, show up tomorrow to fight, and play in a normal Skirmish mode. Why canGÇÖt I log in, look at my Starmap for a warzone, and drop into a massive fight? What other FPS, or MMO for that matter, operates on a day long timer? In EVE you are allowed to fly around and attack whoever you stumble upon. In DUST I need to stand in a queue for several minutes with a list of my allies and opponents readily available. ThatGÇÖs how a sporting event works, not a paramilitary operation.

Another problem is that players in DUST donGÇÖt really own any assets on a map, which is why objective play is hard to achieve currently. Defenders technically GÇ£ownGÇ¥ the whole map, but there are no individual assets really worth protecting aside from GÇ£half+1 lone cannonsGÇ¥. If there were legitimate assets that held meaningful impact on the flow of battle, people would gladly sacrifice themselves in order to hold them. Planetside understood this, and gave players military bases to defend and attack. Getting inside a PS base was tough work, and laying a hack deep inside was worse. Then if you did turn it to your side, it required time to bring all its functions online (like the spawn beacon or vehicle depot). In DUST, all you have is empty building one or empty building two, and each maybe has a good vantage point. But if you get kicked out of a GÇ£good spotGÇ¥ in DUST there is no reason to go take it back if it will cost more clones. The maps are almost completely non-interactive.

I've been arguing this point for a while now. There is no challenge in DUST that can't be answered with "more firepower".
Every class is evaluated by its ability to put out DPS. Every player is measured by the assault yardstick, KDR.

We won't have true Scout or Pilot roles until there is a need for their unique abilities in order to win a battle. Even then we won't see it in Instant Battles where winning or losing makes no difference to the individual player..

I honestly believe there are problems beyond the gameplay mechanics that need to be addressed to make the game more fundamentally sound. The only major gameplay element is to out kill your enemy. People have grumbled about this before, that even the game modes that have asset objectives (Skirmish and Domination) you can revert to out killing rather than out performing your enemy.

Whatever the intention for the Scout, Logistics, or Sentinel classes were and whatever the intentions for the Pilot and Commando classes are, everyone will simply figure out the best way to DPS. Everyone is just a different shaped Assault at the moment.

Organic battles, like the one in EVE several months ago that had over 2000 players, simply canGÇÖt occur in DUST. We are unable to storm enemy planets without a 24hr warning timer. We canGÇÖt abandon a lost cause or initiate a route to a different district. The only strategy is: announce yourself, show up tomorrow to fight, and play in a normal Skirmish mode. Why canGÇÖt I log in, look at my Starmap for a warzone, and drop into a massive fight? What other FPS, or MMO for that matter, operates on a day long timer? In EVE you are allowed to fly around and attack whoever you stumble upon. In DUST I need to stand in a queue for several minutes with a list of my allies and opponents readily available. ThatGÇÖs how a sporting event works, not a paramilitary operation.

Another problem is that players in DUST donGÇÖt really own any assets on a map, which is why objective play is hard to achieve currently. Defenders technically GÇ£ownGÇ¥ the whole map, but there are no individual assets really worth protecting aside from GÇ£half+1 lone cannonsGÇ¥. If there were legitimate assets that held meaningful impact on the flow of battle, people would gladly sacrifice themselves in order to hold them. Planetside understood this, and gave players military bases to defend and attack. Getting inside a PS base was tough work, and laying a hack deep inside was worse. Then if you did turn it to your side, it required time to bring all its functions online (like the spawn beacon or vehicle depot). In DUST, all you have is empty building one or empty building two, and each maybe has a good vantage point. But if you get kicked out of a GÇ£good spotGÇ¥ in DUST there is no reason to go take it back if it will cost more clones. The maps are almost completely non-interactive.

The massive battles you mention will not be able to take place on the ps3, the hardware simply won't support it. This machine has under 1 gig of ram. It may have more than this but it is certainly far less powerful than an average gamer's computer.