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BattleCry1791
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:20:00 -
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No reduction in core skills? No reduction for SP requirement for CPU/PG?
Many people have been scratching their heads over this move by CCP. What would be the benefit to the player base to make the SP requirements so high?
Hundreds of posts have been made, and many I've read discussing the merits of game longevity, newb time to beasting, etc.
But I haven't seen anyone talk about the actual reason.
I have 10.5 million SP, and in order to compete in PC (I'm a Heavy, so I need to spec for forges as well), there are several AUR items I had to purchase.
And that's when it hit me.
The high SP requirements are designed to make guys buy AUR modules and suits. I guess 20 bucks a month or so from most of the player base for Merc packs etc, just isn't enough. They want more movement on the micro transactions.
Greedy ****, your name is CCP.
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Lowkiie
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:32:00 -
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Dude, you are missing the point.
They are lowering the sp cost for basic frame dropsuits (FINE) and Skill Specific Suits (DUMB but w/e). They HAVE to keep some of these sp costs high. Otherwise we'll have even more steam rollers and rediculously powered people. These complaints for lowering sp costs are just want to spec right up really fast rather than actually have to take the time that most of us have had to take to get to where we are now. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
460
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:32:00 -
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dead horse beaten to dead... give it a break. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens
EoN.
277
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:33:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:No reduction in core skills? No reduction for SP requirement for CPU/PG?
Many people have been scratching their heads over this move by CCP. What would be the benefit to the player base to make the SP requirements so high?
Hundreds of posts have been made, and many I've read discussing the merits of game longevity, newb time to beasting, etc.
But I haven't seen anyone talk about the actual reason.
I have 10.5 million SP, and in order to compete in PC (I'm a Heavy, so I need to spec for forges as well), there are several AUR items I had to purchase.
And that's when it hit me.
The high SP requirements are designed to make guys buy AUR modules and suits. I guess 20 bucks a month or so from most of the player base for Merc packs etc, just isn't enough. They want more movement on the micro transactions.
Greedy ****, your name is CCP.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=80467&find=unread |
Lowkiie
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:38:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:
I have 10.5 million SP, and in order to compete in PC (I'm a Heavy, so I need to spec for forges as well), there are several AUR items I had to purchase.
You don't "HAVE TO" purchase anything. You are impatient and don't want to take any more time to spec into those skills you need.
Don't call CCP greedy because you're impatient. |
Yeva Kalsani
Reckoners
94
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:51:00 -
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A lot of skills that used to do nothing but unlock stuff now shave off further CPU/PG usage from fitted parts or provide miniscule percentage bonuses, and you have some more part-specific skills that give extra CPU/PG reductions. But all these little factors add up and are less SP-intensive. Basically, you can now get even more fitted than you used to if you get those reductions by specializing in anything and then upping your core CPU and PG skills on top. The core CPU and PG skills that give you more being maxed out are kind of overkill unless you want to be a jack of all trades.
And specializing first before branching out is something that everybody should be doing; now the new skill tree and SP costs are going to enforce that. Even without needing to spend AUR. |
xxMERIDAxx
On-Sight-Response
2
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:10:00 -
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Ten year plan for this game but you want it NOW,what a joke. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:30:00 -
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Lowkiie wrote:BattleCry1791 wrote:
I have 10.5 million SP, and in order to compete in PC (I'm a Heavy, so I need to spec for forges as well), there are several AUR items I had to purchase.
You don't "HAVE TO" purchase anything. You are impatient and don't want to take any more time to spec into those skills you need. Don't call CCP greedy because you're impatient.
The amount of AUR items I've seen in PC confirms otherwise: to be competitive in PC you have to spend money, or be a no-lifer. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1300
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:46:00 -
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xxMERIDAxx wrote:Ten year plan for this game but you want it NOW,what a joke.
Will you guys stop with this nonsense ten year plan? DUST IS NOT EVE AND IT WILL NOT SURVIVE ON EVE PLAYERBASE ALONE.
What worked in eve doesnt mean it will work dust. ****, what worked in eve 10 years ago doesnt mean that it would work if CP started eveonline today, in 2013.
Am I supposed to wait 10 years for a proper sight to my AR? Or ten years for movements to be smooth? Or for the aiming to be fixed? Ccp needs to get right all that needs to be right asap |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
597
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:51:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Will you guys stop with this nonsense ten year plan? DUST IS NOT EVE AND IT WILL NOT SURVIVE ON EVE PLAYERBASE ALONE.
What worked in eve doesnt mean it will work dust. ****, what worked in eve 10 years ago doesnt mean that it would work if CP started eveonline today, in 2013.
Am I supposed to wait 10 years for a proper sight to my AR? Or ten years for movements to be smooth? Or for the aiming to be fixed? Ccp needs to get right all that needs to be right asap
Ydubbs, I think he's referring instead to the time it takes to fully skill up. It's intentional that you have to take some time before you get all the best weapons, suits, and modules. It's intentional that you have to invest and dedicate some time in this game to get to the top, to be competitive.
This isn't a "features are missing but will come in later" thread. It's a "I'm upset that I don't have enough SP to put all my skills up to max" thread. |
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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
544
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:54:00 -
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I just joined EVE two days ago, wheres mah Titan!! |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:00:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:I just joined EVE two days ago, wheres mah Titan!!
Wrong game. Dust is not an MMORPG. |
xxMERIDAxx
On-Sight-Response
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:04:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Will you guys stop with this nonsense ten year plan? DUST IS NOT EVE AND IT WILL NOT SURVIVE ON EVE PLAYERBASE ALONE.
What worked in eve doesnt mean it will work dust. ****, what worked in eve 10 years ago doesnt mean that it would work if CP started eveonline today, in 2013.
Am I supposed to wait 10 years for a proper sight to my AR? Or ten years for movements to be smooth? Or for the aiming to be fixed? Ccp needs to get right all that needs to be right asap
Ydubbs, I think he's referring instead to the time it takes to fully skill up. It's intentional that you have to take some time before you get all the best weapons, suits, and modules. It's intentional that you have to invest and dedicate some time in this game to get to the top, to be competitive. This isn't a "features are missing but will come in later" thread. It's a "I'm upset that I don't have enough SP to put all my skills up to max" thread.
Yes.If you want it now and your way try another game,Bf and Cod games make you work for unlocks btw,I dont understand the flack dust getts for haveing a pretty cool level system. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
545
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:10:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I just joined EVE two days ago, wheres mah Titan!! Wrong game. Dust is not an MMORPG.
Go play COD |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
597
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:12:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I just joined EVE two days ago, wheres mah Titan!! Wrong game. Dust is not an MMORPG.
I beg to differ. A lot of FPS fans on these forums have called it an MMORPG with FPS elements. Or a MP FPS with RPG elements. Or a MP RPG with FPS elements.
Either way. It's an RPFPS.
Anyone else slightly confused about the acronyms? |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
687
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:16:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I just joined EVE two days ago, wheres mah Titan!! Wrong game. Dust is not an MMORPG. I beg to differ. A lot of FPS fans on these forums have called it an MMORPG with FPS elements. Or a MP FPS with RPG elements. Or a MP RPG with FPS elements. Either way. It's an RPFPS. Anyone else slightly confused about the acronyms?
I'm still stuck on the game name. :( |
Zarr Du'Kar
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.05.22 12:20:00 -
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Why decrease sp costs? If your primary goal is to get newbies have enough sp to spend to skill, just increase the starting sp of every new player.
I'd say 500k to 1 million SP.
Or... Allow x2 sp gain in instant battle academy (increase sp cap not just gain)
That allows the players with only say 3 million down to gain fast sp to a certain amount of sp to make them viable in pub or pc |
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