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boba's fetta
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc.
Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:07:00 -
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the player market when it arrives makes all p2w arguement's a moot point. |
Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
217
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:28:00 -
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The player market means dirt until its put in place.
Dust is P2W in the meantime. A feature that we have no idea when it will appears changes nothing until its here.
Fused locus and M2 are the only grenades that explode on contact and are both pay only. The sheer advantage of not having to cook the grenade is there and highly noticeable. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
564
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:35:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:More Skill points does not equal a better player.
nope, it just equals a better gun...with better dps....ability for more sheilds....larger blast radius.....more armor....bigger clip....etc. |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
181
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:43:00 -
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The advantage of Aurum Boosters is relative to the individual. If I have a full-time job and only get on to play Dust for 4-5 hours a week but I also run a Passive Booster, then I am probably not getting an SP earning advantage over a player who has the time to cap Active and Passive SB every week without any Boosters.
At this point there are always going to be people in the game with more SP than you and less SP than you. Success in Dust 514 is only about 20% Skill Points and the other 80% is overall ability to play the game well. |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
181
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:45:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:More Skill points does not equal a better player. nope, it just equals a better gun...with better dps....ability for more sheilds....larger blast radius.....more armor....bigger clip....etc.
And none of that matters if you are using a Starter Fit combined with good comms, coordinated teamwork and situational awareness.
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Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
160
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Posted - 2013.05.22 21:59:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:More Skill points does not equal a better player. No, it equals better gear and better gear matters a lot more in this game than people will acknowledge. It also equals more natural HP and damage on the battlefield. This is why I am in favor of better active boosters in the AUR store. I can have all the player skill in the world, but when it takes me 5 bullets to kill and the other guy 2, the odds are not exactly in my favor. Now if I buy a booster or two and catch up to that guy in SP and gear, then my player skill will win out all the time. That is why you proto 10+ million SP players are against it, because you know that your gear and SP is the only advantage you have.
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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
565
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:08:00 -
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RydogV wrote:Jin Robot wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:More Skill points does not equal a better player. nope, it just equals a better gun...with better dps....ability for more sheilds....larger blast radius.....more armor....bigger clip....etc. And none of that matters if you are using a Starter Fit combined with good comms, coordinated teamwork and situational awareness. unless they also use good comms, coordinated teamwork and situational awareness.
The omega active booster will be p2w, because it goes beyond the cap. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
241
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:09:00 -
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lol its p2w, Aur modules and gear require less skill points and less strain so yeah its p2w, in that exact definition. Whos gonna play the game when you can go buy stuff that you can spec into a million levels lower.
~Closed Beta veteran. ~
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Promethius Franklin
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:26:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:lol its p2w, Aur modules and gear require less skill points and less strain so yeah its p2w, in that exact definition. Whos gonna play the game when you can go buy stuff that you can spec into a million levels lower.
~Closed Beta veteran. ~
Why would someone not play the game to get to the level where they don't have to keep pumping cash in to match the equipment of those who do? |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
40
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:30:00 -
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They pay for the game so I don't have to. If someone wants to spend 50 bucks to get gear sooner, or level up quicker that's fine. Do you think in a year when everyone playing now will have the SP to go Proto, and the Proto users now can only branch out, is it going to be such a big deal? Noobs on the other hand will always be on the shorter end of the deal. Aurum is for the impatient, I'm in this game for the long haul. |
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Promethius Franklin
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:30:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:RydogV wrote:Jin Robot wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:More Skill points does not equal a better player. nope, it just equals a better gun...with better dps....ability for more sheilds....larger blast radius.....more armor....bigger clip....etc. And none of that matters if you are using a Starter Fit combined with good comms, coordinated teamwork and situational awareness. unless they also use good comms, coordinated teamwork and situational awareness. The omega active booster will be p2w, because it goes beyond the cap.
Active boosters will become less meaningful as the game gets older. People will reach the point where they maximize chosen specializations and as such having more SP won't benefit specific fits as it causes them to diversify for lack of upward progress. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
549
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:52:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Active boosters will become less meaningful as the game gets older. People will reach the point where they maximize chosen specializations and as such having more SP won't benefit specific fits as it causes them to diversify for lack of upward progress.
And that's why I'm concerned about Omega booster and the slippery slope towards P2W: as SP becomes less important as the playerbase gains more SP, CCP will need to find other ways to monetize Dust. They have already shown willingness to go towards P2W, and I'm afraid the push will only get more aggressive in the future. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
573
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:54:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Active boosters will become less meaningful as the game gets older. People will reach the point where they maximize chosen specializations and as such having more SP won't benefit specific fits as it causes them to diversify for lack of upward progress. And that's why I'm concerned about Omega booster and the slippery slope towards P2W: as SP becomes less important as the playerbase gains more SP, CCP will need to find other ways to monetize Dust. They have already shown willingness to go towards P2W, and I'm afraid the push will only get more aggressive in the future.
all paths lead somewhere, I also worry about which one they start down. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
131
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:57:00 -
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couple years ago, I was staying at a cabin in PA (I was doing some hunting) where at bar nearby I met a lovely young woman who asked me if I would kindly buy her a drink. When I asked what's in it for me she replied that she wasn't "pay to win" but pay to advance" |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
89
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Posted - 2013.05.22 23:47:00 -
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Get AUR is at the top of every menu in the marketplace. |
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