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Still blazn
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:32:00 -
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Dropships are just plain outrunning the swarms now.. not that a 5 proficiency swarm with 2x complex dmg mods does anything to them anyways..
Swarms are just another weapon (thats not an AR) that dont seem to be worth a damn.. |
Lynn Beck
Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:34:00 -
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I think you mean that dropships were. (hence the name derpship) Those things used to be UNABLE to outrun swarms. Just stop whining and get better with your weapon. |
Still blazn
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:43:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:I think you mean that dropships were. (hence the name derpship) Those things used to be UNABLE to outrun swarms. Just stop whining and get better with your weapon.
thats just it.. im am better..
Actually Im the same.. its the Dropships that are untouchable now.. BUt im not a nerf thread guy.. Im not asking you to slow down..
Im pointing out that a fully maxd swarm does NOTHING .. . |
Rachoi
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:45:00 -
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actually a truly skilled pilot can outfly swarms now, but you gotta know how to manipulate the controls, and momentum of the things, because if you arent careful you wont hit the right speed to outrun them |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:47:00 -
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Still blazn wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:I think you mean that dropships were. (hence the name derpship) Those things used to be UNABLE to outrun swarms. Just stop whining and get better with your weapon. thats just it.. im am better.. Actually Im the same.. its the Dropships that are untouchable now.. BUt im not a nerf thread guy.. Im not asking you to slow down.. Im pointing out that a fully maxd swarm does NOTHING .. .
You are probably running into Assault Dropships with speed modules on it. That is how I run my ship. I may get hit by one volley of rockets, but I will NOT get hit by a second in a row if I am doing it right. If you are going against ANY non Assault dropship, you should easily land at least two series of rockets on it.
Rockets are not ineffective; you MUST be working with a team if you want to take out a decently fitted dropship. About 3-4 of your buddies will put some fear into the heart of a DS pilot. One Swarm Missile operator is just not much of a threat. Often, I just hover, hit my hardeners and have my turreteer woop said ass of the AV user.
TEAMWORK. It is key. That is how I lose my Dropships now... when it isn't an RDV spawning with suicidal speed, or damn floating tiles. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:48:00 -
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Also, prototype missiles will hurt a Dropship with a vengeance when they connect. You just have to know when to let them fly at us. |
Niccolo deLuce
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:48:00 -
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It's not some ultra efficient formula to outrun them. I can and have hopped into a militia dropship with absolutely zero vehicle skills at all, and I can safely fly around the entire match without worrying about swams. FGs and AV nades can still take me out, swarms do more or less nothing now |
Still blazn
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:50:00 -
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Rachoi wrote:actually a truly skilled pilot can outfly swarms now, but you gotta know how to manipulate the controls, and momentum of the things, because if you arent careful you wont hit the right speed to outrun them
I really got the feeling today that the dropships were faster.. all of them.. maybe not.. but its pretty dumb to have a Drop directly overhead at standstill be able to accelerate fast enough to not get hit by 1 single round .. ( i emptied my clip.. ) he wasnt even hiding or going out of range.. just smashin |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:51:00 -
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Niccolo deLuce wrote:It's not some ultra efficient formula to outrun them. I can and have hopped into a militia dropship with absolutely zero vehicle skills at all, and I can safely fly around the entire match without worrying about swams. FGs and AV nades can still take me out, swarms do more or less nothing now
You are wrong Niccolo. Dead wrong. Unless you are flying at the ceiling, you WILL get hit with swarms. In Militia Ships, unless you have the speed boost, you WILL get hit by them. Please, play the game more, fly more, and see before you make such misleading statements. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:52:00 -
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Still blazn wrote:Rachoi wrote:actually a truly skilled pilot can outfly swarms now, but you gotta know how to manipulate the controls, and momentum of the things, because if you arent careful you wont hit the right speed to outrun them I really got the feeling today that the dropships were faster.. all of them.. maybe not.. but its pretty dumb to have a Drop directly overhead at standstill be able to accelerate fast enough to not get hit by 1 single round .. ( i emptied my clip.. ) he wasnt even hiding or going out of range.. just smashin
He was out of range, and you were probably using militia rockets. Higher tiers go farther, and hit with more rockets per shot. |
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Niccolo deLuce
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:57:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Niccolo deLuce wrote:It's not some ultra efficient formula to outrun them. I can and have hopped into a militia dropship with absolutely zero vehicle skills at all, and I can safely fly around the entire match without worrying about swams. FGs and AV nades can still take me out, swarms do more or less nothing now You are wrong Niccolo. Dead wrong. Unless you are flying at the ceiling, you WILL get hit with swarms. In Militia Ships, unless you have the speed boost, you WILL get hit by them. Please, play the game more, fly more, and see before you make such misleading statements.
I'm between semesters and I get paid by my scholarship to go to school, so I don't have a job. I've been playing about 12 hours a day this week, I'm not making crap up. Swarms do jack, maybe protos do something but reg or militias do nothing. I've never lost a dropship except to av nades when I crashed while learning how to fly. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.21 20:59:00 -
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Niccolo deLuce wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Niccolo deLuce wrote:It's not some ultra efficient formula to outrun them. I can and have hopped into a militia dropship with absolutely zero vehicle skills at all, and I can safely fly around the entire match without worrying about swams. FGs and AV nades can still take me out, swarms do more or less nothing now You are wrong Niccolo. Dead wrong. Unless you are flying at the ceiling, you WILL get hit with swarms. In Militia Ships, unless you have the speed boost, you WILL get hit by them. Please, play the game more, fly more, and see before you make such misleading statements. I'm between semesters and I get paid by my scholarship to go to school, so I don't have a job. I've been playing about 12 hours a day this week, I'm not making crap up. Swarms do jack, maybe protos do something but reg or militias do nothing. I've never lost a dropship except to av nades when I crashed while learning how to fly.
AV nades? Are you serious? I've NEVER lost one to 'nades. If you are being effective whatsoever in a dropship, you will get hit by rockets. They won't seriously hurt me unless a whole squad lobs them at me, but they will hit me and force me to consider new ways of engaging. |
Niccolo deLuce
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:19:00 -
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My reply just got eaten... I'll try again...
Long story short I never said I was good. I'm pretty sure I implied that I wasn't when I said I had no vehicle skills, but since I just checked apparently I lied and I have 12,440 sp to get small missile turrets to lvl 1... Anyways, I've taken out about 10 dropships now with nades, and 1 with a swarm. You can catch dropships flying low if you're on the top of one of the buildings sometimes. It generally only takes 2 grenades to take out any of them, 3 tops (but 3 is the standard load anyways). The grenades start tracking mid air and so can actually fly pretty far to hit them. Also with the crazy spawn mechanics I've spawned in the middle of the red team multiple times, and twice been able to take out dropships while they were loading up before they could kill me.
This isn't about av nades or my lack of skill though. If swarm launchers are going to do so little damage that you need a squad full of them to kill a relatively cheap dropship, then they should be changed, or moved to a sidearm weapon a la COD. I'm against making them sidearms though, then it would become the standard fit and yadda yadda yadda..... I just think the damage that they deal needs to be looked at. About 4 hours ago I exhausted 3 nanohives (1 friendly 2 of my own) doing nothing but shooting at one lone dropship who never bothered to move. He also never dropped below about ~60% shields. |
Smoky The Bear
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:21:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Still blazn wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:I think you mean that dropships were. (hence the name derpship) Those things used to be UNABLE to outrun swarms. Just stop whining and get better with your weapon. thats just it.. im am better.. Actually Im the same.. its the Dropships that are untouchable now.. BUt im not a nerf thread guy.. Im not asking you to slow down.. Im pointing out that a fully maxd swarm does NOTHING .. . You are probably running into Assault Dropships with speed modules on it. That is how I run my ship. I may get hit by one volley of rockets, but I will NOT get hit by a second in a row if I am doing it right. If you are going against ANY non Assault dropship, you should easily land at least two series of rockets on it. Rockets are not ineffective; you MUST be working with a team if you want to take out a decently fitted dropship. About 3-4 of your buddies will put some fear into the heart of a DS pilot. One Swarm Missile operator is just not much of a threat. Often, I just hover, hit my hardeners and have my turreteer woop said ass of the AV user. TEAMWORK. It is key. That is how I lose my Dropships now... when it isn't an RDV spawning with suicidal speed, or damn floating tiles.
Mary were you playing a couple hours ago? I think it was YOU lol. Kudos to your setup.. Not hatin..
But I guess i must dispell this "teamwork" theory once again...
What team has 2 or more fully maxed out swarms? Possibly your corp stacks them, but corp matches are maybe 1% of total games played..
What team has 2 or more swarms with mics to work together?
What team has 2 or more swarms that have mics and then 'care' to work together..
the simple answer is NONE>. 0 zip .. nada..
Its a lone wolf operation.. And after speccing FULLY 6.5 million sp's into swarms ONLY .. I expect to get solo kills.. or its not worth playing |
Still blazn
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:44:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Still blazn wrote:Rachoi wrote:actually a truly skilled pilot can outfly swarms now, but you gotta know how to manipulate the controls, and momentum of the things, because if you arent careful you wont hit the right speed to outrun them I really got the feeling today that the dropships were faster.. all of them.. maybe not.. but its pretty dumb to have a Drop directly overhead at standstill be able to accelerate fast enough to not get hit by 1 single round .. ( i emptied my clip.. ) he wasnt even hiding or going out of range.. just smashin He was out of range, and you were probably using militia rockets. Higher tiers go farther, and hit with more rockets per shot.
did you bother reading the post? or just started trolling..?
I have level 5 proficiency and was using the specialist 9428039 whatever swarm
I wouldnt post stupid **** like this if I was using militia rockets.. come on get with the program here
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Still blazn
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:45:00 -
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Still blazn wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Still blazn wrote:Rachoi wrote:actually a truly skilled pilot can outfly swarms now, but you gotta know how to manipulate the controls, and momentum of the things, because if you arent careful you wont hit the right speed to outrun them I really got the feeling today that the dropships were faster.. all of them.. maybe not.. but its pretty dumb to have a Drop directly overhead at standstill be able to accelerate fast enough to not get hit by 1 single round .. ( i emptied my clip.. ) he wasnt even hiding or going out of range.. just smashin He was out of range, and you were probably using militia rockets. Higher tiers go farther, and hit with more rockets per shot. did you bother reading the post? or just started trolling..? I have level 5 proficiency and was using the specialist 9428039 whatever swarm I wouldnt post stupid **** like this if I was using militia rockets.. come on get with the program here he was directly over head.. not only was he in range but he was VERY close.. level with top of buildings.. .
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DRaven DeMort
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:00:00 -
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u guys can kill a ds in one or two hits why cant my gunners do the same to you? would be cool if it took you guys 8 shots to take a ds ship shield down but only 1-2hits for it to kill you. juet saying. . quit your bitsen |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:13:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Still blazn wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:I think you mean that dropships were. (hence the name derpship) Those things used to be UNABLE to outrun swarms. Just stop whining and get better with your weapon. thats just it.. im am better.. Actually Im the same.. its the Dropships that are untouchable now.. BUt im not a nerf thread guy.. Im not asking you to slow down.. Im pointing out that a fully maxd swarm does NOTHING .. . You are probably running into Assault Dropships with speed modules on it. That is how I run my ship. I may get hit by one volley of rockets, but I will NOT get hit by a second in a row if I am doing it right. If you are going against ANY non Assault dropship, you should easily land at least two series of rockets on it. Rockets are not ineffective; you MUST be working with a team if you want to take out a decently fitted dropship. About 3-4 of your buddies will put some fear into the heart of a DS pilot. One Swarm Missile operator is just not much of a threat. Often, I just hover, hit my hardeners and have my turreteer woop said ass of the AV user. TEAMWORK. It is key. That is how I lose my Dropships now... when it isn't an RDV spawning with suicidal speed, or damn floating tiles. Mary were you playing a couple hours ago? I think it was YOU lol. Kudos to your setup.. Not hatin.. But I guess i must dispell this "teamwork" theory once again... What team has 2 or more fully maxed out swarms? Possibly your corp stacks them, but corp matches are maybe 1% of total games played.. What team has 2 or more swarms with mics to work together? What team has 2 or more swarms that have mics and then 'care' to work together.. the simple answer is NONE>. 0 zip .. nada.. Its a lone wolf operation.. And after speccing FULLY 6.5 million sp's into swarms ONLY .. I expect to get solo kills.. or its not worth playing
There is no "teamwork" theory to dispel. Operations that are coordinated are out there, if you look for them. You have that option of running "lone wolf" but that should not mean you should be able to stomp the mess out of a coordinated group. Your comment that there are no groups that run coordinated anti-vehicle... are you an idiot? Many of the toughest corporations will run with full squads, and at least 2-3 of those folks have sturdy AV ability, or a heavy hitting tank to try to take out a dropship. Your point is made from the perspective of someone who doesn't really play often enough to understand the Swarm Launcher/Dropship dynamic.
As a Dropship pilot, one of the most common AV weapons used against me are the rockets. A poorly built dropship and non-reflexive pilot will get owned by them. Period. In an Assault with a pilot who knows better, I still get hit by them, but because I have passive and active damage resistance mods, and a speed booster, I can evade. You have forced me to lose effectiveness for a time. Something that Swarmers miss is that while they are shooting at us, they are keeping us at range. We lose effectiveness dodging your rockets. I can do passes and drop missiles down, but if I stop, I am going to get reamed. Prototype rockets still hit pretty damn hard, alpha'ing my shield and digging into my armor in one hit. Should I get nerfed to hell so I can't respond? I don't think so. A skilled pilot should be a pain in the ass to take down.
There are so many problems with the Dropship, but I make it work. Setting them back further to appease the "lone wolf" anti-social mercenary would only further disenfranchise the role more.
And that is MY point. |
Mary Sedillo
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:58:00 -
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Bump |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.05.22 08:10:00 -
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What happened to the murder taxis? Those are the bastards who need to die first. |
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CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:30:00 -
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oh, and i suppose u want dropships to be useless,again? they should be eating infantry and tanks alive. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:44:00 -
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actually nothing has happened(since uprising) to either DS or SL just better pilots |
Sergeant Wiznowski
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:51:00 -
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SL effectiveness was reduced to 55% against Dropship (not sure when it was changed).
Militia swarms alone are completly useless now (fine with me). Advanced swarms with 3 damage mods will make dropship retreat but it's not able to destroy properly fitted and flown dropship.
For a auto lock weapon I would say it is correct balance. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:18:00 -
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They still go down like paper to well-fitted Swarms. |
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