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Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
332
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Posted - 2013.05.20 10:18:00 -
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I know what your going to say. "Are you serious, they can ohko a heavy!" And you're right, their damage is fine.
It's how the damage applies that needs work.
Currently, it takes .5 seconds just about after I press r1 before the nova knife animation starts. And that animation, which is a double slash, takes quite a bit of time too. Damage is then applied at the end. The problem with this is that 99% of those who use nova knives are scouts. in the 1.5 ish seconds it takes to apply damage, a duvolle AR can output enough dps to kill us 2 times over at least.
I think the animation needs to be shorter and that it needs to start instantly. 0.5 seconds to apply damage is more than fair.
If you haven't used nova knives as more than just a gimmick for lolz a few times, don't bother replying. Your opinion is not valid. |
Sparhawk TheRubyKnigt
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
10
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Posted - 2013.05.20 10:42:00 -
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+1
might help with shield flash and no damage. when things are going good, i can post numbers like 20-0, 25-1. when its taking me 15 chuckle******* stabs to down someone whos trapped in a corner because of shoddy hit detection im lucky to escape with my skin. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
333
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Posted - 2013.05.20 10:54:00 -
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this plus assault suits backpedaling almost as fast as I run forwards gets me killed more than anything (even the ultra low hp) |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2013.05.20 10:57:00 -
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I agree +1
I would like to be able to catch people with the first slash if you know what I mean .
Other than that I think they did a fine job with the Novas in this build |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
104
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:00:00 -
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Yeah cuz bringing a knife to a gunfight is always supposed to be easy, and swinging a knife should always be faster than a bullet. As far as I'm concerned, if you're sneaky enough to get knife kills, then you deserve them. Grats. I've been killed by 'em plenty, not complaining. But you're telling me you want to make them faster than bullets? You're telling me that someone backpedalling and shooting you (last post on here I read) should not be able to beat you if you don't think to take cover and get a gun out?
The fail thinking here is that a knife is intended to be a frontline assault weapon, and you're attempting to use it in that fashion. Like I said, if you're getting kills this way, well done, that's awesome dude. But knives were never meant to be superior to guns in circumstances where the person with the gun sees you coming. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
21
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:08:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Yeah cuz bringing a knife to a gunfight is always supposed to be easy, and swinging a knife should always be faster than a bullet. As far as I'm concerned, if you're sneaky enough to get knife kills, then you deserve them. Grats. I've been killed by 'em plenty, not complaining. But you're telling me you want to make them faster than bullets? You're telling me that someone backpedalling and shooting you (last post on here I read) should not be able to beat you if you don't think to take cover and get a gun out?
The fail thinking here is that a knife is intended to be a frontline assault weapon, and you're attempting to use it in that fashion. Like I said, if you're getting kills this way, well done, that's awesome dude. But knives were never meant to be superior to guns in circumstances where the person with the gun sees you coming.
Dont think you understand, the hit detection on knives is shoddy because the Unreal engine, thus this sorta thing needs to be looked at.
This is how hit detection in close quarters works
>server sees two people >knifer gets up close >server sees this >the enemy moves a bit >server sees this >the knifer tries to knife the enemy >the server sees both people occupying the same space >server doesnt like this >server then tries to find space for both targets >while doing this hit detection for knives doesnt work >hit detection for bullets still work because the bullets dont occupy the same space
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Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
336
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:09:00 -
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You're telling me you should be able to backpedal at full speed while shooting just as accurately as you would moving forward?
This game mechanic is stupid and should be changed, not to buff knives, only to fix the game. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
336
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:12:00 -
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Also, only noobs and retards stand still when shooting, so when you successfully flank the enemy with your knives, it is still really freaking easy to miss the first slash. Then you have to chase the guy cuz he knows you're there. And you're not going to catch him. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2375
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:34:00 -
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The only thing that needs fixing is the hit detection. That and back-pedaling assaults shouldn't be able to keep pace with a max-sprint scout. |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
295
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:05:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I know what your going to say. "Are you serious, they can ohko a heavy!" And you're right, their damage is fine.
It's how the damage applies that needs work.
Currently, it takes .5 seconds just about after I press r1 before the nova knife animation starts. And that animation, which is a double slash, takes quite a bit of time too. Damage is then applied at the end. The problem with this is that 99% of those who use nova knives are scouts. in the 1.5 ish seconds it takes to apply damage, a duvolle AR can output enough dps to kill us 2 times over at least.
I think the animation needs to be shorter and that it needs to start instantly. 0.5 seconds to apply damage is more than fair.
If you haven't used nova knives as more than just a gimmick for lolz a few times, don't bother replying. Your opinion is not valid.
Not to mention the damn nodamageblushieldofdeath. |
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Ignatius Crumwald
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
478
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:25:00 -
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I think the damage should be lowered, by 1/2, but the way damage is applied should change. A back stab should have a 1.5x multiplier and a fully charged nova knife should simply completely ignore shields - not destroy them, but ignore them. An uncharged attack should do 75% damage to shields.
You want to reward the element of surprise with an instant kill not the commando rush.
The blue shield of death is pretty much a Dust 514 mainstay. Asking them to fix it is tantamount to blasphemy. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
203
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:28:00 -
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Also the range is too small. Usually what I do is spring then jump toward the target and start charging the knife in midair, so by the time I land I can slice. In theory it works well in practice the target makes half a step back all my damage misses. Mind you, I am not asking for Nova range to work half across the map, I am only asking for the damage to be on par with animation. Also nova is plagued by many other problems. When you jump toward a red dot and they start back pedalling even as a scout you can never catch up to them - a non scout runs backward about as fast as scout runs forward, if you add to the equation that when you press R1 to slice with the knife your suit slows down but the red dot keeps going back, you know that even without return fire on you, you will never be able to get to the red dot to kill them.
I think the good way to make scouts viable with Nova knives is to let us both charge and slash while sprinting, otherwise, it is the usual AR514 fest where all non - AR weapons fail. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
369
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:33:00 -
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I think all Nova Knifers should get Vergi's Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom3 move. Should also be able to have 100 throwing knives to hit long range as well.
Here is example for those who are unaware of Vergil's move. |
V 23
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:37:00 -
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Sontie wrote:this plus assault suits backpedaling almost as fast as I run forwards gets me killed more than anything (even the ultra low hp)
This is why we should be able to sprint with them.
I remember reading awhile ago they were going to implement it.
Now they took away the "glitch" that let you sprint and slash.
Did you know you can still throw grenades with the same "glitch"?
Melee then hold in sprint and throw grenade way farther. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1362
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:39:00 -
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+1 There should also be a slight lunge if you're moving forward when you slash. Any non-heavy suits can avoid damage just by backpedaling. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
362
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:53:00 -
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The problem is also that you stop running BEFORE slashing. Making it next to impossible to hit anything other than a heavy that is running backwards or if you are chasing them down.
Also, patch 1.1 messed up the knife hit detection. |
Sparhawk TheRubyKnigt
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
11
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:53:00 -
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As much as i would love that, dont give me throwing knives. it would be.......bad......for the enemy. |
Radar R4D-47
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
78
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:17:00 -
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO If the NOVA KNIVES get touched in any way i will be pissed they are fine the way they are the have flaws so they arent OP Please stop making these threads I can go 30/0 with my knives so they apparently work fine don't touch them |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
363
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:22:00 -
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Radar R4D-47 wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO If the NOVA KNIVES get touched in any way i will be pissed they are fine the way they are the have flaws so they arent OP Please stop making these threads I can go 30/0 with my knives so they apparently work fine don't touch them You must be on some good ganja if you believe that. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.27 03:41:00 -
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My favorite thing in the world is the Sprint jump at the enemy and charge my knives, so I get a ohko when I land on their face.
Only works on scrubs though :( |
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snazzbear
Omni Galactic Frontier Systems Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.05.27 03:45:00 -
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Sontie wrote:My favorite thing in the world is the Sprint jump at the enemy and charge my knives, so I get a ohko when I land on their face.
Only works on scrubs though :(
No that works on everyone. Amazing how many people lock up when they see you soaring through the sky with a fistful of vengeance. ... That I wouldn't suggest doing this in front of someone looking at you. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
427
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Posted - 2013.05.27 03:48:00 -
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I don't know what you are doing with your knives Radar, but it's apparently hax. I've gone 19/1 in an OMS against PRO (died for something stupid), but going against terrible people like that is rarer these days.
Do you just have an amazing connection? Suffer no frame rate drop in cqc? WHAT IS YOUR SECRET?!?!
Other than the ability to charge while sprinting, I think the knives are fine. Enemy backpedal speed is ********, and not just because of nova knives. No one can shoot accurately running backwards like that, not even super clones soldiers. Maybe the Master Chief... but only him!
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Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
427
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Posted - 2013.05.27 03:50:00 -
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how is the damage on a charged slash for nova knives calculated? |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
317
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Posted - 2013.05.27 03:59:00 -
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in order of importance: -hit detection needs to be fixed. -FOV needs to be expanded. -controls have to become smooth and feel natural. -information must become detailed and complete. -more models need to become available.
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2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
620
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:04:00 -
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Sontie wrote:You're telling me you should be able to backpedal at full speed while shooting just as accurately as you would moving forward?
This game mechanic is stupid and should be changed, not to buff knives, only to fix the game.
Why don't we just have a mini gun that just shoots nova knives? Or bayonet nova knives on our Assault rifles?
Nova knifes are balanced as they are and require no skill to use with how bad this games aiming and hit detection is, not to mention how much nova knifer's speed benefits from melee weapons in this laggy game.
Hell I might respec into them, they have it easier then any other class other then GTA Lav. Get fast scout suit, dump as many points as possible into speed, proto knives and dampeners, wait for distracted enemy run in knife and run out let FF take care of the rest and maybe toss a nade or 2, super easy as all hell.
If you cant kill with them consistently its because you suck. |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
319
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:23:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Sontie wrote:You're telling me you should be able to backpedal at full speed while shooting just as accurately as you would moving forward?
This game mechanic is stupid and should be changed, not to buff knives, only to fix the game. Why don't we just have a mini gun that just shoots nova knives? Or bayonet nova knives on our Assault rifles? Nova knifes are balanced as they are and require no skill to use with how bad this games aiming and hit detection is, not to mention how much nova knifer's speed benefits from melee weapons in this laggy game. Hell I might respec into them, they have it easier then any other class other then GTA Lav. Get fast scout suit, dump as many points as possible into speed, proto knives and dampeners, wait for distracted enemy run in knife and run out let FF take care of the rest and maybe toss a nade or 2, super easy as all hell. If you cant kill with them consistently its because you suck.
Ooh big man. You must be an alt because I've never seen you in the entire time I have been playing since day 1 of closed beta.
It must be hard to type with all that shinola coming out of your mouth. If you call me a scrub, btw.. then you are basically admitting your fear. and your bullshit.
let's dance. I'll make you famous (: |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
373
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:26:00 -
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I see people run around just using Nova Knives as a main. I think some of you are just doing it wrong. |
Radar R4D-47
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
79
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Radar R4D-47 wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO If the NOVA KNIVES get touched in any way i will be pissed they are fine the way they are the have flaws so they arent OP Please stop making these threads I can go 30/0 with my knives so they apparently work fine don't touch them You must be on some good ganja if you believe that. You obviously havent faced me |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2428
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:32:00 -
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Radar R4D-47 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Radar R4D-47 wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO If the NOVA KNIVES get touched in any way i will be pissed they are fine the way they are the have flaws so they arent OP Please stop making these threads I can go 30/0 with my knives so they apparently work fine don't touch them You must be on some good ganja if you believe that. You obviously havent faced me
I don't want to face this guy. And I'm the person who spearheaded the profession in the first place. That's saying something. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
140
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:35:00 -
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Off topic but i noticed that some one wielding nova knives after hacking a null cannon will flip his blades in his hands.
I have no idea if the wielder even sees that he is doing it. |
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DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
368
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Radar R4D-47 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Radar R4D-47 wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO If the NOVA KNIVES get touched in any way i will be pissed they are fine the way they are the have flaws so they arent OP Please stop making these threads I can go 30/0 with my knives so they apparently work fine don't touch them You must be on some good ganja if you believe that. You obviously havent faced me I don't want to face this guy. And I'm the person who spearheaded the profession in the first place. That's saying something. I don't mind doing it. Unlike Tosch, I have yet to lose my Cajones.
Seriously, I will do it. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
368
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:36:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Off topic but i noticed that some one wielding nova knives after hacking a null cannon will flip his blades in his hands.
I have no idea if the wielder even sees that he is doing it. We see it. |
Radar R4D-47
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
79
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:37:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I don't know what you are doing with your knives Radar, but it's apparently hax. I've gone 19/1 in an OMS against PRO (died for something stupid), but going against terrible people like that is rarer these days.
Do you just have an amazing connection? Suffer no frame rate drop in cqc? WHAT IS YOUR SECRET?!?!
Other than the ability to charge while sprinting, I think the knives are fine. Enemy backpedal speed is ********, and not just because of nova knives. No one can shoot accurately running backwards like that, not even super clones soldiers. Maybe the Master Chief... but only him!
Agreed with the backpedaling crap only thing thats annoying but otherwise i find no fault in the Knives other then not having a office variant |
Radar R4D-47
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
79
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:39:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Sontie wrote:You're telling me you should be able to backpedal at full speed while shooting just as accurately as you would moving forward?
This game mechanic is stupid and should be changed, not to buff knives, only to fix the game. Why don't we just have a mini gun that just shoots nova knives? Or bayonet nova knives on our Assault rifles? Nova knifes are balanced as they are and require no skill to use with how bad this games aiming and hit detection is, not to mention how much nova knifer's speed benefits from melee weapons in this laggy game. Hell I might respec into them, they have it easier then any other class other then GTA Lav. Get fast scout suit, dump as many points as possible into speed, proto knives and dampeners, wait for distracted enemy run in knife and run out let FF take care of the rest and maybe toss a nade or 2, super easy as all hell. If you cant kill with them consistently its because you suck. Lol your just mad because its the Anti Heavy Weapon of the build. im sure in chromosome you were pissed about SMG's running in your face. Its not easy mode talk to your friend crafty ways he does a decent job but hes too ballsy to make him effective. You gotta be sneaky. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
368
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:44:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Sontie wrote:You're telling me you should be able to backpedal at full speed while shooting just as accurately as you would moving forward?
This game mechanic is stupid and should be changed, not to buff knives, only to fix the game. Why don't we just have a mini gun that just shoots nova knives? Or bayonet nova knives on our Assault rifles? Nova knifes are balanced as they are and require no skill to use with how bad this games aiming and hit detection is, not to mention how much nova knifer's speed benefits from melee weapons in this laggy game. Hell I might respec into them, they have it easier then any other class other then GTA Lav. Get fast scout suit, dump as many points as possible into speed, proto knives and dampeners, wait for distracted enemy run in knife and run out let FF take care of the rest and maybe toss a nade or 2, super easy as all hell. If you cant kill with them consistently its because you suck. Smh...
Really? Ok Yoda, what weapon do you use that demands SO much more skill than knives? |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
319
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Posted - 2013.05.27 06:56:00 -
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let's not forget that KNs are riddled with bugs. There is zero natural flow. They play only a sound but no action when you rapidly swing. They have horrid hit detection. you can't charge and sprint? Why does that make any sense whatsoever at all?
I roll my eyes at dudes who wear a buggy ridden experience like a badge of honor. it's like hearing some wannabe hacker extoll the virtues of his homebuilt slackware rig. IT IS BROKEN. We just deal with it to the end of making it better, no?
F that. make it real. make it a system worth competing with. This shi t is broken. I have no doubt it will get better, and those who stick in there that help shape it will do it justice.
to sit there and fawn over the current incarnation is a disservice to what this could be. |
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