Go for it. I've gotten the (R) nanohives and they are a godsend. Biggest problem is actually making sure people know you've got them, since they don't really show up on radar different enough and are physically no different. However if your squad knows they can also heal, they can survive just that much longer even if your not there.

Only problem is that they do recharge weapons a bit slow and do it second to healing. But still, it's good support, even if you have to downgrade gank.

But how do you like the new/different nanohives?

Haven't had the chance to deploy them. Squad's always moving from one spot to another.

Every logi should be posting on the new equipment stats. Here is what I have written:

Thanks:
CCP, Thank you for posting these stats early in an effort to communicate with the community. Though there are many varied opinions and replies CCP's professionalism in asking for feedback in these coming updates allows for, what I feel, will be a positive change overall. Thank you for hearing your consumer base that is desiring to respond to ideas before they are initiated and opening the door for possible insights that may not have been fully explored in house.


Item Feedback: From an experienced Logibro.
Deployable Equipment: These adjustments will be trouble if new system for destroying items when the merc changes suits - negates cluster limitation, DUs, and all deployable equipment. One nerf, not two please.

Suit Bonus Influence: Reason for changes MUST NOT be for possible future suit bonus as that would mean the the bonuses are SET IN STONE which is another matter altogether. Changes should have reason and purpose independent of this.

Drop Uplinks (DU): SUPPORTED. Currently spammed. The top level items allowing for near immediate return to battle. They renders many other spawning options irrelevant due to shortened spawn time and unique locations. They also have more HP than many of the dropsuits that are in battle.

The new adjustments the new DUs, without any changes to current spawn timers at CRU's or objectives, mean sacrificing speed for positioning until the Uplinks reach the Prototype level with the spawn time either near half of what it would have been or just over a normal 10sec spawn time. I believe this to be a good change as it may shift battles to waves of skirmishes rather than a constant and unrelenting battle - as fun as it may be searching for all the uplinks and only being able to take a breath once a whole area is clear and everything hacked - could be a positive change. The drop in item health is welcomed.

The resistance to players wanting this change is understandable.


Nanohives: NOT SUPPORTED. Currently they may or may not last longer than the mercs that place them in battle, depending on the ammo resupplied (or triage). Whether that is because the squad using them had moved on, whether it is because they all died, or whatever the reason there are usually lone random nanohives lying about at any given time on the battlefield. That being said they are often destroyed through the exhaustion of their clusters as well depending on how each unique conflict proceeds.

I find that without further information on the reason for the change that dropping each hive's cluster amount by 1/3rd (33%) is unwarranted. CCP's data may explain if more are wasted rather than used up as the reason, or somehow this shift will lead to the projected gameplay experience with waves of battle and increased TTK.

Suggestion If the adjustment was made for less clusters BUT added one more deployable hive and kept the max active limit enforced then the change would be less grotesque. Allowing for limited resupply, keeping in line with the waves of battle idea, the reward for surviving would be to be being able to deploy another hive - death would eliminate that possibility and equipment would be lost/wasted. With the current limited information we have available - I do not support this change.


Repair Tools: MIXED SUPPORT. Currently they repair survivors and may be used to keep a merc alive under certain amounts of enemy fire. The proposed changes alter 1 repair tool's repair rate and changes all repair tools' ranges.

Core Focused Rate: IFF (IF and only IF) TTK is increased and weapon fire damage decreased -ect. - then the repair rate change is acceptable as this new playstyle may be nearly identical and a repair rate that high may be seen as acceptable. (not addressing suit bonuses here). That being said - in the current gameplay the adjustment doesn't fit as it is not quiet enough to keep a suit alive in most conflict situations. However, if this new playstyle of logi/heavy is unwanted in the projected vision of the game then the adjustment would signal the end of such useful duos and lead to needing two reppers on a soldier (removing another from battle) to accomplish the same thing - the original reason this wasn't done in the past as that kind of coordination is nearly impossible with movement and streams.

Range: UNSUPPORTED. Distance is difficult to measure in this game. Sprinting F's up the hud distance and there is no readout for even guessing the distance of those lines on the radar (middle line is like 70 meters or something), but even then guessing the distance to lock onto someone was difficult enough and the current range (especially flux) allowed for working with the TERRIBLE LOCK ON MECHANIC in order to acquire a lock and begin repping the soldier. The current distance was also a buffer that allowed the logi to finish repping while the mercs sprinted away and also allowed the Logi to adjust their position during battle if keeping the merc(s) repped, to try and stay alive, while the mercs with big guns fight the red dots.

Suggestions:
Lock on times need adjusted (regardless of any other change - distance just made it more manageable).
A range increase at each new tier. It starts that way with the next level meeting the flux distance: std 10, flux 15. Then adv 15, (No FLUX?) 18-20. Then proto 18-20, flux 23-25. Distance (useless against RRs) is how a repair logi stays alive and keeps his mercs alive. This should not change and 10m MUST be the minimum distance as it feels almost like melee combat. No lock should be closer.


Active Scanners: SUPPORTED.

Feedback requests from CCP:

New Equipment Stats. Nerf to all equipment.
- Cooldown times on scanners increased. Scanner functionality has been improved to do GÇ£snapshotGÇ¥ scans in order to stop 360 degree spins.
- Range on repair tools reduced. and the core focused repair rate is reduced to original 125 hp/s
- Drop uplink spawn times increased.
- Nanohive nanite supply reduced.

Dropsuit Stats and Skills. New Sentinel (heavy), Commando, and Scout bonuses. Lots of debates going on about slot and hp amounts and scout bonuses - scouts do get better generally but the amarr bonus is crap and still coming up with ideas on what to do.

Weapon Stats and Ranges
New pistols look OP - some debate about it, but we won't know how much of a game killer they are until they are deployed in battle - much like the RR and CR were a big surprise and are now THE dominant weapons on the field right now.

On a side note
Possible suit bonuses that include the medium frames of assault and logi

Currently the logi and assault bonuses are a mistake. The logi has a good class bonus but the racials leave much to be desired when they could be instead incorporated into a skill tree. And the assault bonuses decrease TTK with the ROF increase and now apparently have the old logi bonuses... Currently they are the subject of much debate.

I'm posting this here because I saw there are people who think about overall game balance and I would love some feedback from them.
Disclaimer: english isn't my native language and there probably will be spelling errors so please bear with me.

Since equipment and bonuses are about to change I would like to start a discussion about how we (as the Logi community) would like to see change our tools and skills.

Nanite Injectors
I always found the choises offered to be too few, you can have your STD, ADV, PRO or LP variant each restoring a different amount of armor.
I would like to have more options and I would like that skilling into a particular piece of equipment would grant me better performances even on the low end ones, just like it's done with weapons; this would mean that Injectors would now have their own skill.

I would like to see three different variants of Needles, let's call them "Normal", "Armor" and "Shield" (I'm not one of the Lore Guys, to them the task to find names that fit).

NORMAL these would be like the actual Injectors, 30% armor restored for STD, 50% for ADV, 80% for PRO and 100% for LP; the only difference would be a 5s boost to armor regen: +2 hp/sec for STD, +3 hp/sec for ADV, +5 hp/sec for PRO and +7 hp/sec for LP.

ARMOR these would have 30% armor restored for STD, 40% for ADV, 60% for PRO and 80% for LP and they would give a 5s buff on Armor Resistance: 30% resistance on STD, 40% on ADV, 50% on PRO and 60% for LP.
On the fitting cost, while the cost on CPU would be slightly higer than the "Normal" variant the PG cost would be heavy.

SHIELD these upon revive would also restore some shields and kick-start Shield Regeneration while boosting the Shield Recharge Rate for 5s, since the added benefits these should be hard to fit, so heavy cost on CPU and moderately high cost on PG.
For the STD variant 30% Armor Restored, 50 HP of Shields restored, 25% bonus to Shield Recharge Rate.
For the ADV variant 50% Armor Restored, 100 HP of Shields restored, 50% bonus to Shield Recharge Rate.
For the PRO variant 60% Armor Restored, 150 HP of Shields restored, 75% bonus to Shield Recharge Rate.
For the LP variant 80% Armor Restored, 200 HP of Shields restored, 100% bonus to Shield Recharge Rate.

Nanite Injector Skill: +1s of effect per level

Repair Tools
Repair Tools offer many choises, the only thing I would like to be introduced is a "Shield" variant (I'm no expert but I know that in EVE there are Armor-Logis and Shield-Logis so you know: "One universe, one war", CCP I know you're reading gimme ma Shield Repper! ).

Regarding the skill bonus I can't mess with range and repair rate because there should be the Minmatar Logi (<3) bonus to take care of that; I was thinking "The Logi repairs the others but who repairs the logi?" so I had the idea of a self-repair bonus on the Repair Tool.
This could be impemented in three possible ways: passive, active, semi-active.

PASSIVE: really simple, hold the Repair Tool and get the bonus. (I see this being abused of, players with a more "aggressive" playstyle, Assaults and Slayer-Logis, could have their personal Logi in their Equipment slot)

ACTIVE: again really simple, press R1 to repair teammates, press L1 to repair yourself. (Again I see this getting abused of, even if this could be balanced by some sort of cooldown bar)

Semi-ACTIVE: you would gain the self-repair bonus only while actively repairing an ally (this is what I like the most, if you're doing your job and helping your squad you get the bonus, if you are a lone wolf no bonus for you)

Repair Tool Skill: anywhere between +2 and +5 hp/sec to self-repair per level

Drop Uplinks
Since the proposed changes to these I would like to see two new variants.

HARDENED: Hardened Drop Uplinks have more HP than the normal Uplinks (something like 5 times more) and a slightly slower spawn time. They cost less CPU but more PG than the normal Uplinks.

COVERT OPS: Covert Ops Uplinks have a lower scan profile (they should be almost impossible to scan) and a faster spawn time then the normal variant, however they have a lower spawn count, are squad-locked and there can only be one active per-player.

Since Drop Uplinks will become a vital piece of equipment I thought about 2 possible skills:
1) -5% to Drop Uplink Scan Profile per level this would make them harder to detect for the enemy team
2) +5% to Drop Uplink Scan Radius and Scan Precision per level this would give a player an idea about the surroundings of his spawn point of choice, nobody likes to: die, wait 15 seconds, spawn, die, wait another 15 seconds

Active Scanners
I like the changes they are making, I'm guilty of 360-scan-spamming and it was ridiculous.

Active Scanner Skills:
1) 5% cooldown time reduction on active scanners per level (with this the Creodron Proximity would be "spammable")
2) 20% to active scanner scan angle per level (so that most scanners will have a 120-¦ scan angle)

...I'm still thinking about Nanohives and Remote Explosives

Well being machines the nanites should have some source of energy to be able to operate.
Since, I guess, they integrate themeselves with the damaged armor to repair it to some degree wouldn't it make sense if after the operation they could discharge their residual energy in the shield generator of the suit?

That's why I lean towards the semi-active idea, if you repair allies (and only while you are repairing) you get the bonus, so you can't climb on a roof and start picking off people and if you get shot stand back a couple of seconds and self-repair.
And with the repair tool is hard since rate and range are influenced by the Minnlogi, I also thought about a sort of AoE heal (if I remember correctly Planetside 2 does something similar) but we have Triage Hives for that.

Yeah, placed items are what I find difficult to come up with ideas that could work, (in particular with Nanohives all the ideas I get are broken by the "I'm-gonna-stack-5-Nanohives-at-my-feet" tactic) I have to say I like the idea I got for the Uplinks though, I think it is possible to make a lot with the profile sistem: with these skills uplinks could be used as Proximity Sensors or could become a pain for the enemy team if hidden correctly.

This is what I was talking about, I need feedback both from a lore perspective and a game balance perspective.

Actually no, I wouldn't define it obsolete. While the CR is my go to gun I often find myself switching guns based on how is the match flowing, if my squad decides to move in a CQC environement I'll switch to AR, if we could find ourselves in a more long range scenario I'll pick up a RR or a ScR, if we are defending a chokepoint I'll take a MD.
The AR is still good in the right situations.

On a side note, could anyone that had the occasion to play with the new scanners please explain to me how exactly this new "snapshot" mechanic works?

I stacked two scanners on one suit. They definitely fixed it to really quick snap shot, but most everyone I saw playing scout max cloak to 5 on a lvl 5 scout suit with lvl 5 dampeners. I saw basically EQ and that was it. In a week, that might change more. You're still going to pick up the commandos as chevrons which are kinda fun, but I honestly haven't seen that many. Everyone is going invisible.

the cooldown icons are cool tho :)

I am a min logi proto myself. The great thing about us is that we can literally pick to shield tank, armor tank, or hybrid tank. The following is assuming all prototype level (dropsuit shield upgrade @ 5 and all the shielding components @ 5).. With 4 extenders you will get 403 @ a 8 second delay. With 3 extenders and a re-charger, you will get 330 @ 7.4 second depleted delay and a 30 hp/s re-charge on shields. 2 extenders leaves you with 258 shield and 1 leaves you with 185 shield.

It is really up to you to decide between damage or health. If I had to choose I would Like the first option you had. Personally I would do 2 extenders (complex), 1 re-charger (enhanced since I am only level 3 and FW is a joke), and 1 damage mod (complex).

Just remember to be a LogiBro before anything else and stick with your squad.

[quote=Soulskulptor]So I've somewhat came back to Dust514. Saw that I downright sucked with the Rail Rifle and decided to switch to the only other weapon I'm skilled in, Assault Rifles. With that said I am curious about my module selection's adequacy as a MinLogi. Got a Complex Armor Repair, Complex Armor Plates, Complex PG Upgrade, and Enhanced CPU upgrade for low slots. My High Slots are 2 Complex Light Weapon Damage Mods and 2 Complex Shield Extenders.

Edit: Ok so looking back on it since I would only ever use my Proto gear in High-stake matches (Planetary Conquest) the question should be what's the focus module wise? While damage mods let me deal more damage it means little if the enemy tears into in less than 2 seconds. What sort of modules should I dedicate my slots to as for my fits on all three tiers?

So many slots...the voice in my head is telling me to fill them all...CCP! what have you done to me!?

Good times though, finally a logi is always a logi and limited by slot progression. Now every logi starts out better with equipment than all other suits.... except for that slight scout glitch of the 3EQ, but that will be remedied soon, if it hasn't already.

I'm loving this setup. Definitely harder to set up some of these suits, but I certainly feel more at home with all my EQ's available.

Well done CCP, another solid stepping stone.