there should be a role system similar to eve, where members of a corporation must be given permission to enter PC by directors

Sabotaging is fine and fun - but when it's as easy as asking to join on a 500,000 SP alt - getting in - then holding PC ransom the moment it comes up... then that's not meta - that's an issue.

Apparently DUST players are either too idiotic, entitled, or lazy to use proper operational security. Holding corporations exist for a reason.

Better solution in the meantime since it is likely going to take a major Sony patch to 'resolve' the issue.

Make an alt corp move all the grunts to that corp and keep all the squad leaders in your current, that way the only way they can get into PC is invites from the main corp's squad leaders only. Use a combined channel to announce times and call outs on inbound or use your forums. Grunt corp does no PC itself what so ever.

Anyone that gives trouble you boot em out.

I haven't read in-depth about this sabotage, but I see the problem. Honestly let's get it out in the open right now:

Planetary Conquest was never intended for the general populace.

It's for competitive, hardcore players. There are benefits for casuals to play but they will get destroyed. Beta players etc. are the only people that really have a place in PC. People that are committed to long-term play, have a great understanding of how this game works.

Corps. that are hiring third party mercs or have loose recruitment policies will learn very quickly to not be so trusting. These new guys (the legit ones) will just be a liability in either skill or sp, or both.

If you're a new guy reading this thead don't worry too much about Planetary Conquest; it's basically just Skirmish with people playing that have over 5mil sp AT LEAST. Focus on figuring the game out, learning the maps etc.

Grunt corp can easily let newer guys in, have evaluation times, and since they're invite into PC only you only take who you think deserves to go from experience in non-PC battles elsewhere such as FW and high sec action. Officer corp only recruits the most trusted and faithful of the grunts after an extensive evaluation period.

You put a lot of words into my mouth and made a lot of assumptions. I'll give you a thought out response when you understand what I said.

I really,don't mind the spying,trolling,thievery,savagery,and debauchery.

As it is now,any system that I see that at least gives the leaders of a corp,the ability to allow certain groups go in would be better.I mean for leaders shouldn't they have the say in saying who fights and represents there corp?

Nope, I said don't expect to be a big shot without earning it. Don't expect corps to be 100% willing to recruit you without showing loyalty. I said PC the odds areagainst you so make sure you are prepared enough so that your knowledge and skill make up for your lack of SP.


My point is that assholes creating alts have ruined the new player experience in a game that just came out of beta and to not expect everybody to be nice as a result. I'm all for new guys getting into big corps but corps need to be more than just dudes wearing thesame color. They need to be a team willing to worktogether and sacrifice if necessary for the greater good.

Now stop putting words in my mouth and pretending like you know me. I also never said "HTFU" or implied that's what people need to do. If you have that mentality embedded in you that is not my fault. Hate the game if you need to but it is what it is and people in general are horrible creatures.

Ignoring this thead from here on.

Empires will fall though. Nobody will hold Model Heth forever.

It's a race to the bottom.

I for one will be interested to see what method CCP uses to address this issue. They can't readily ignore it for years like the old moon goo exploit in Eve Online.

Or they can ignore it. Although it will be a sad day when most people playing are doing it because they have to or can't hold null sov for their Eve Corp.

Much like the "everybody's running proto" thing, this is a problem that will solve itself. Everybody, everybody who is participating in PC is new at it, be they CEO, director, soldier, spy. The directors and CEOs are going to get better at operational security and counter-intelligence, and the successful corps will find the right balance and succeed, while the unsuccessful ones will pursue solutions that are less effective and they will fade from PC.

@My fellow Merc and EVE players.
Quoting New Eden doctrine/catch phrases in response it an incomplete mechanic is both inaccurate and short sighted. Adapting to the effects and changes within the sandbox is one thing. Just like learning that in New Eden you won't have your hand held to keep you from making mistakes. But that's not equivalent to being unable to manage your assets/resources/corp because the game client lacks the features to permit it at present.
QQ over losing your faction fit Cap because you jumped into OMS uninvited? Yeah HTFU.
Point out that an unfinished mechanic is unfinished and exploitable? That simply needs addressed and phrases/attitudes applied to matters internal to the sandbox aren't really appropriate.

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I'm not a CEO or director, and have never been (heck, I'm not even in a real corp at the moment), but I think CEOs and directors are not helpless to stop spies while we wait for finer control over individual battles. If an order of battle is drawn up ahead of time, with all participants knowing their squads and squad leaders, any deviation from the plan can be immediately spotted and the spy's squad filled by corp members before he or she can bring in more saboteurs. The squad leaders can be selected from among trusted individuals; and if a spy is appointed, then that's just good tradecraft--you can't win every battle (except, apparently, for STB and a few other corps who have been kicking it, I suppose).

Just my own 2 ISK.