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Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:33:00 -
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I, Icy Tiger, vote Regnum for CPM. Yes, he's an a-hole, but he recognizes how messed up core FPS mechanics are at the moment, even if the CPM 0 do not.
He's also been in the beta for a while, the community knows him (and hates him), and he has trolling proficiency 3 so he can really question CCP's choices.
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ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:34:00 -
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Which? |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:35:00 -
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Will the real ReGnUm please stand up? |
Vethosis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:47:00 -
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He isn't slim shady. |
Sephirian Fair
Defensores Doctrina
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:48:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Will the real ReGnUm please stand up?
If Regnum get's CPM, won't that mean all the other Regnums get banned for impersonating a CMP member? |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:14:00 -
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ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote:Which? Yeah, isn't there like 12 of them now? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:42:00 -
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Every single regnum is above the bar set by the lowest peg of CPM0. |
ZiwZih
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:45:00 -
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ReGnUM for charity! |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:47:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Every single regnum is above the bar set by the lowest peg of CPM0.
^ The only reason why he doesn't like the CPM because he can't figure out how to control any of them and is certainly not the most sociable fellow to try to understand. Also he doesn't believe in democracy and thinks all your votes are invalidated and none of you should be voting. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Every single regnum is above the bar set by the lowest peg of CPM0. ^ The only reason why he doesn't like the CPM because he can't figure out how to control any of them and is certainly not the most sociable fellow to try to understand. Also he doesn't believe in democracy and thinks all your votes are invalidated and none of you should be voting.
Um what? What a load of bullshit. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:49:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Every single regnum is above the bar set by the lowest peg of CPM0. ^ The only reason why he doesn't like the CPM because he can't figure out how to control any of them and is certainly not the most sociable fellow to try to understand. Also he doesn't believe in democracy and thinks all your votes are invalidated and none of you should be voting. Um what? What a load of bullshit.
Really? You know I asked you to post an IRC conversation we had on the forums and you never did. |
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:50:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote:Which? Yeah, isn't there like 12 of them now? Well back in the old days it was just four of us me , regnum del , regnum perfections del , and regnum beiber del now there is so many |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:54:00 -
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ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote:Kaze Eyrou wrote:ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote:Which? Yeah, isn't there like 12 of them now? Well back in the old days it was just four of us me , regnum del , regnum perfections del , and regnum beiber del now there is so many
ReGYuM also |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:00:00 -
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I think we can all agree that CPM0 has too many sheep and not enough wolves.
CCP went with easy picks and easy calls.
I cant blame them
but they did go with the yes men this time around.
Needed at least 1 person to hold their feet to the fire with intelligent arguments.
CPM is not all about loving CCP it should also be about ganging up on them and forcing them to see what they have messed up or overlooked so they correct it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4309
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:06:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:I think we can all agree that CPM0 has too many sheep and not enough wolves.
CCP went with easy picks and easy calls.
I cant blame them
but they did go with the yes men this time around.
CPM Hans is a master at words. True diplomat. By that I mean he can say the meanest nastiest and most awful things, in the most nicest ways and he already had to do that twice already (where as I would not have been as polite). We're not all yes men for the last half a month its been an uphill fight against CCP. Also you forget Nova Knife is the guy that told CCP Hillmar 'FU' in IRC.
Had Hans not been there helping us I doubt https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75833&find=unread this would been posted at all to the context desired. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:12:00 -
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Isn't / wasn't Hans CSM in EVE? |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:I think we can all agree that CPM0 has too many sheep and not enough wolves.
CCP went with easy picks and easy calls.
I cant blame them
but they did go with the yes men this time around. CPM Hans is a master at words. True diplomat. By that I mean he can say the meanest nastiest and most awful things, in the most nicest ways and he already had to do that twice already (where as I would not have been as polite). We're not all yes men for the last half a month its been an uphill fight against CCP. Also you forget Nova Knife is the guy that told CCP Hillmar 'FU' in IRC. Had Hans not been there helping us I doubt https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75833&find=unread this would been posted at all to the context desired.
That is true but if Hans is a wolf hes an Eve wolf if anything he is not a DUST wolf. We needed counter points to the Dust guys on the CPM not the 1 Eve guy.
We need some known Dust wolves.
People with a record of being tough but fair with CCP
That's what part of the dust community wants. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4309
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Isn't / wasn't Hans CSM in EVE?
Why yes, and I can't thank him quite enough for being aboard for CPM 0 in helping us find our ground. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Every single regnum is above the bar set by the lowest peg of CPM0. ^ The only reason why he doesn't like the CPM because he can't figure out how to control any of them and is certainly not the most sociable fellow to try to understand. Also he doesn't believe in democracy and thinks all your votes are invalidated and none of you should be voting. Um what? What a load of bullshit. Really? You know I asked you to post an IRC conversation we had on the forums and you never did.
I don't give a rat's about controlling the CPM, I just had a lengthy conversation with many of them about balance having no place in the CPM because even 6 godlike intellects wouldn't have a good solution that was also representative of the niche users in question. The lowest peg of CPM0 is a person, not the group.
As long as you stay away from talking exact numbers you are one of my favorite CPMs because I trust you have the best interests of the community and the game in mind as well as a fairly good idea of why people get upset.
Democracy IS a crap system of government that no sane country uses (hint, US isn't a democracy). You end up with mob rule without limits and checks to powers. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Isn't / wasn't Hans CSM in EVE? Why yes, and I can't thank him quite enough for being aboard for CPM 0 in helping us find our ground.
Yea, it's cool that they got him on board to help get things off the ground, have you all made any progress towards figuring out how we're going to go about getting CPM 1 up and running? |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:21:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:I think we can all agree that CPM0 has too many sheep and not enough wolves.
CCP went with easy picks and easy calls.
I cant blame them
but they did go with the yes men this time around. CPM Hans is a master at words. True diplomat. By that I mean he can say the meanest nastiest and most awful things, in the most nicest ways and he already had to do that twice already (where as I would not have been as polite). We're not all yes men for the last half a month its been an uphill fight against CCP. Also you forget Nova Knife is the guy that told CCP Hillmar 'FU' in IRC. Had Hans not been there helping us I doubt https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75833&find=unread this would been posted at all to the context desired. That is true but if Hans is a wolf hes an Eve wolf if anything he is not a DUST wolf. We needed counter points to the Dust guys on the CPM not the 1 Eve guy. We need some known Dust wolves.
That is one misconception of the CPM I have to say though. It's entirely possible for a non-dust player to be doing our current jobs with the current issues we are most dealing with. While I would like to see Dust players pick CPM of their own destiny it would be unfortunate the people replacing us would think its all about bug fixing this... Balancing act that... Feature Push this.
It doesn't take the Top AR player to tell CCP that Latin American Players are unable to download the game. It doesn't take HAV master to tell CCP that Sony is Fubaring AU and NZ over on the 'imaginary' taxes. It certainly doesn't take the average grunt on the ground to read the forums and tell CCP they screwed up royally somewhere on Uprising expansion, it certainly doesn't take a Genius to tell CCP that not reaching out to the players to figure out where they messed up is a bad move. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Isn't / wasn't Hans CSM in EVE? Why yes, and I can't thank him quite enough for being aboard for CPM 0 in helping us find our ground. Yea, it's cool that they got him on board to help get things off the ground, have you all made any progress towards figuring out how we're going to go about getting CPM 1 up and running?
Nope, instead they are focusing on tac rifle balance... http://dustsearch.com/thread/76001 |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4311
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:26:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Isn't / wasn't Hans CSM in EVE? Why yes, and I can't thank him quite enough for being aboard for CPM 0 in helping us find our ground. Yea, it's cool that they got him on board to help get things off the ground, have you all made any progress towards figuring out how we're going to go about getting CPM 1 up and running?
Meetings should be starting over that soon now that the ball is rolling on Post-Uprising cleanup. CPM will be asking important questions as to things CCP can or cannot track when it comes to you and your PS3. Since Dust 514 is completely free to play, you can see this being a voter conundrum on who gets a voice and who doesn't.
As far as I am concerned there is no perfect solution, someone legitimate will not be allowed to vote because of it. So the next step is to find the most 'perfect' solution that even if that legitimate person cannot vote this year, he/she would be able to vote the next year at least. The criteria I would like to see is to allow everyone to be able to vote that actively plays and lower the amount of 'vote farming' alts that could vote. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:28:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Isn't / wasn't Hans CSM in EVE? Why yes, and I can't thank him quite enough for being aboard for CPM 0 in helping us find our ground. Yea, it's cool that they got him on board to help get things off the ground, have you all made any progress towards figuring out how we're going to go about getting CPM 1 up and running? Nope, instead they are focusing on tac rifle balance... http://dustsearch.com/thread/76001
No CCP is, I am just trying to help CCP out so they can get a fuller picture instead of nerfing it on a whim of a whiner. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=813255#post813255
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3101
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Meetings should be starting over that soon now that the ball is rolling on Post-Uprising cleanup. CPM will be asking important questions as to things CCP can or cannot track when it comes to you and your PS3. Since Dust 514 is completely free to play, you can see this being a voter conundrum on who gets a voice and who doesn't.
As far as I am concerned there is no perfect solution, someone legitimate will not be allowed to vote because of it. So the next step is to find the most 'perfect' solution that even if that legitimate person cannot vote this year, he/she would be able to vote the next year at least. The criteria I would like to see is to allow everyone to be able to vote that actively plays and lower the amount of 'vote farming' alts that could vote.
Hmm, do you think it's possible to actually track a certain level of activity on a given account, and through that "verify" a player and allow them to submit a vote? If so, the voting system should be 100% in game, with some information or links to information right from your neocom.
My only thing is that you could just afk on a bunch of alts to "verify" your account. Hmm, curious indeed. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4312
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Meetings should be starting over that soon now that the ball is rolling on Post-Uprising cleanup. CPM will be asking important questions as to things CCP can or cannot track when it comes to you and your PS3. Since Dust 514 is completely free to play, you can see this being a voter conundrum on who gets a voice and who doesn't.
As far as I am concerned there is no perfect solution, someone legitimate will not be allowed to vote because of it. So the next step is to find the most 'perfect' solution that even if that legitimate person cannot vote this year, he/she would be able to vote the next year at least. The criteria I would like to see is to allow everyone to be able to vote that actively plays and lower the amount of 'vote farming' alts that could vote.
Hmm, do you think it's possible to actually track a certain level of activity on a given account, and through that "verify" a player and allow them to submit a vote? If so, the voting system should be 100% in game, with some information or links to information right from your neocom. My only thing is that you could just afk on a bunch of alts to "verify" your account. Hmm, curious indeed.
Yup that's why we need to have the meetings to figure out things and see if it is possible to come up with a metric. |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:32:00 -
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Looks some people want keep their precious council all to themselves.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:33:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: Looks some people want keep their precious council all to themselves.
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So then why are they getting meetings set up to hammer out a voting system?
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Isn't / wasn't Hans CSM in EVE? Why yes, and I can't thank him quite enough for being aboard for CPM 0 in helping us find our ground. Yea, it's cool that they got him on board to help get things off the ground, have you all made any progress towards figuring out how we're going to go about getting CPM 1 up and running? Nope, instead they are focusing on tac rifle balance... http://dustsearch.com/thread/76001 No CCP is, I am just trying to help CCP out so they can get a fuller picture instead of nerfing it on a whim of a whiner. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=813255#post813255Also Noc threatening to raise hell to get all of the CPM fire doesn't work as long as I continue to do my work.
I don't want you fired in the slightest. You are good at the job CPM was intended for. Help CCP help themselves when it comes to balance. NO ONE who is not receiving a paycheck from CCP should be using authority as a weight to their opinions. |
inohahna mamotto
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:40:00 -
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Are you guys still arguing like immature brats?
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Noc Tempre
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:44:00 -
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inohahna mamotto wrote:Are you guys still arguing like immature brats?
Yes. The motel was out of rooms. |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:00:00 -
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I don't want to see any of the CPM fired. I want some other sides of the coin added to the table.
Even 1 in a temporary role would be cool. Why does no CPM want to even consider adding someone with a polarizing view compared to their own?
Its like a single party system in CPM right now. |
First Prophet
Jaguar Elite
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:16:00 -
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Vote all the Regnums as all the CPM.
They are the heroes this forum deserves. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:16:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:I don't want to see any of the CPM fired. I want some other sides of the coin added to the table.
Even 1 in a temporary role would be cool. Why does no CPM want to even consider adding someone with a polarizing view compared to their own?
Its like a single party system in CPM right now.
I think Cazaderon is a pure duster from WTF. Though I don't get much time to talk to him due to time zones. His English is pretty good though and I say he has similar level of love/hate for dust as any Regnum does. |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:31:00 -
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I support this thread. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:43:00 -
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I support Regnum for CPM, To be honest.
Anyone who's actually met in IRL knows he's not the jerk he tries to be on the forums (He's actually all shy and cuddly. It's super cute.) He's actually pretty insightful, and polite too!
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:50:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I support Regnum for CPM, To be honest.
Anyone who's actually met in IRL knows he's not the jerk he tries to be on the forums (He's actually all shy and cuddly. It's super cute.) He's actually pretty insightful, and polite too!
Please refrain from slandering our mighty chaos lord. |
Spacetits CDXX
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
313
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:15:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I support Regnum for CPM, To be honest.
Anyone who's actually met in IRL knows he's not the jerk he tries to be on the forums (He's actually all shy and cuddly. It's super cute.) He's actually pretty insightful, and polite too!
Regnum also made one of the best Dust video tutorials. Which was sort of weird given his trolling persona. But hey, that's cool. When are we going to see more video tutorials, anyway? |
Mortedeamor
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
39
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:19:00 -
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ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote:Which? the one true regnum |
Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:08:00 -
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I just realize Cazaderon's on the CPM. He's one of the better Dust players, I'd hope he could recognize the FPS flaws. |
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Lonnar
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:08:00 -
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What I'm actually curious about, is how the selection for new candidates comes about.
Right now we have a suggestion for ReGnUm to be put on the board through a forum thread. However I doubt this would be the prescribed method to bring about more/new members to the CPM.
Also, to stay on topic, I don't know ReGnUm nor have I seen much of his posts (I tend to be a bit of a phantom here on the forums) but I personally don't care who's on the board, so long as they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:13:00 -
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Lonnar wrote:What I'm actually curious about, is how the selection for new candidates comes about.
Perhaps some of the EVE folk can shed some light on how the CSM goes about doing this in EVE, for those of us who've only played a little, or not at all. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
429
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:13:00 -
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is there a place where I vote to have CPM 0 put to death by firing squad. I think this would stop all the whining about them. |
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