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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:47:00 -
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So until now we've had a pretty relaxed recruitment policy at RIFT but in recent hindsight, I guess we should have been a bit more vigilant. Well, you win some, you learn some...
This morning we had a corp battle against PRO - yesterday we kicked their butts so hard we came back with more clones than we went with. 30 mins before, we'd sorted out squads with a little help from our allies and were all set to go. The timer counts down and we go to join, only to find that we can't get a squad in. We're baffled.
Then one of our guys manages to get in and sees one of our new joiners xxPonyBoixx is also there with a bunch of total strangers and one of them messages us to ransom the battle for a payment to Grief University for 50 million isk. From that point we knew what was going to happen.
We managed to get a few more guys in the battle amounting to a single squad. That's 6 guys against 16 PRO and 12 randoms who proceeded to team kill us all over the place. For the life of me I don't know why they didn't just kill all 450 of our clones and lose us the whole district but they didn't. Actually, considering there were only 6 of us, we did amazingly well and even nearly won - only lost by 4 bars on the MCC and only lost 180 clones, so still own the district with well over 200 clones left.
At this point we don't know for sure if PRO were involved in the subterfuge but one thing is sure - our recruitment policy is being looked at!
And I take pride in knowing that we did well and still managed to nearly win and at least held the district, apart from the fact that I think we just became a part of Dust514 history by being the first corp to be infiltrated and griefed in Planetary Conquest.
Be vigilant everyone - spies are everywhere |
Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
143
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:51:00 -
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You aren't the first and you won't be the last. SUP3RMAN is going to be busy kicking people because I heard the same thing is going to happen to D3LTA and everyone else that holds districts in the onion.
EDIT: all the while some of your smaller corps with great ringers in the alliance are moving out for greener pastures. |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University
Ivy League
287
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:53:00 -
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Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future. |
Naedeus
DUST University
Ivy League
37
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:58:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:apart from the fact that I think we just became a part of Dust514 history by being the first corp to be infiltrated and griefed in Planetary Conquest.
Sure... you can take the title of the first corp in history to be infiltrated and griefed in Planetary Conquest. Dust University will gladly take second. Though, honestly, you're not the first. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Murder Taxi Inc.
334
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:59:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future.
I hope they don't give the option to kick people, this is a part of new eden |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
519
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:05:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future. I hope they don't give the option to kick people, this is a part of new eden
Maybe, maybe not. I'm usually all for letting people hustle any way they can. Only thing is this might be something that just gets in the way and becomes nothing but a undue burden. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Murder Taxi Inc.
334
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:07:00 -
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Up your security, D-Uni, in this case you should create a vanguard corporation with trusted squad commanders who hold districts for D-Uni. When the match starts, they squad up with D-Uni and head into the match, thus preventing D-Uni from having Grief Uni members holding planets hostage.
Problem solved. |
Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
143
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:07:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future. I hope they don't give the option to kick people, this is a part of new eden
Honestly though, just allowing anyone in corp to join is a slight mishap on CCPs part. I mean just because you get accepted to a corp doesn't mean that you can go into a POS and steal all the contents, offline the tower and then ransom the CEO for the contents. DUST seriously lacks roles in corp management, but it's been ten years and EVEs corporate interface is still just as bad as launch so I see this type of thing happening until DUST is....dust. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Murder Taxi Inc.
334
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:11:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future. I hope they don't give the option to kick people, this is a part of new eden Honestly though, just allowing anyone in corp to join is a slight mishap on CCPs part. I mean just because you get accepted to a corp doesn't mean that you can go into a POS and steal all the contents, offline the tower and then ransom the CEO for the contents. DUST seriously lacks roles in corp management, but it's been ten years and EVEs corporate interface is still just as bad as launch so I see this type of thing happening until DUST is....dust.
Create an out of alliance holding corporation with trusted uni alts. These alts engage the corp contracts and squad up with the corp before going on, guaranteeing maximum security |
Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
143
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:22:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:
Create an out of alliance holding corporation with trusted uni alts. These alts engage the corp contracts and squad up with the corp before going on, guaranteeing maximum security
Right now, sure, but it is a gross oversight on CCPs part to be honest. That much cannot be denied. You would think that after ten years of catering to EVE players they would of grasped some aspects of play that we as a community have dissected, defined, embraced and exploited for a decade. |
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EverNub
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
9
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:23:00 -
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Yah sounds about right I assume everyone is a spy lol. Plus PRO is horrible thats why u still did ok 6vs18 pro sux lol, dont treat pc like a pub match...rest of us spent chromosome doing CBs constantly And learning from them. |
Blueberry Pop
Guiding Foot Social Club
1
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:25:00 -
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As I recall, the battle results were 104 R.I.f.t. clones to 108 PRO. We were unable to bring in all seven of our number, one getting stuck at the loading screen and another disconnecting shortly after beginning the battle. 300+ clones are quite difficult to chew through with only five mercenaries, though your "allies" were quite adept at destroying our militia-fit clones for us. It was nice to see PRO recognizing their allies on the field, and we appreciate their dedication to maximizing the time we had to reduce to clone count.
We enjoyed our time with you, though the majority of your number weren't your own. Perhaps we'll visit again. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Murder Taxi Inc.
334
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:28:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:
Create an out of alliance holding corporation with trusted uni alts. These alts engage the corp contracts and squad up with the corp before going on, guaranteeing maximum security
Right now, sure, but it is a gross oversight on CCPs part to be honest. That much cannot be denied. You would think that after ten years of catering to EVE players they would of grasped some aspects of play that we as a community have dissected, defined, embraced and exploited for a decade.
Which is why they left the capability to do it in. I have presented a solution to your 'problem'. Keep loosing districts to griefuni (and everyone else and his mom that now has this tactic) or take action! You have the tools right now to put a stop to this, so stop complaining and get it done! |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:28:00 -
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Wow pro is bad...
6 vs 16 and they still couldn't overwhelm RIFT? Wait till Pro runs into real corps.... |
David Spd
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:32:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future. I hope they don't give the option to kick people, this is a part of new eden Maybe, maybe not. I'm usually all for letting people hustle any way they can. Only thing is this might be something that just gets in the way and becomes nothing but a undue burden.
Then people need to stop recruiting all willy nilly and pay attention to new mercs. Also don't sign on random Joe Schmo if you need spare hands......
It sounds an awful lot like common sense that nobody ever had to think of before now. |
Sgt Odd Ball
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:35:00 -
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You know, EVE alliances use holding corporations for exactly this reason... |
Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
143
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:38:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:
Create an out of alliance holding corporation with trusted uni alts. These alts engage the corp contracts and squad up with the corp before going on, guaranteeing maximum security
Right now, sure, but it is a gross oversight on CCPs part to be honest. That much cannot be denied. You would think that after ten years of catering to EVE players they would of grasped some aspects of play that we as a community have dissected, defined, embraced and exploited for a decade. Which is why they left the capability to do it in. I have presented a solution to your 'problem'. Keep loosing districts to griefuni (and everyone else and his mom that now has this tactic) or take action! You have the tools right now to put a stop to this, so stop complaining and get it done!
I don't have a problem, my characters have 5.7 mil SP and 2.2 mil SP respectively. Neither of which get invited to PC battles but I am still in the onion even though SUP3ERMAN kicked this character from D3LTA. The clan I am in doesn't hold any land, even though they are asked for ringers from just about everyone in the onion. And honestly they are not happy with the politics that the onion are now facing, and with every right. D3LTA, and other cores in the onion, invite every noob they can and to be honest it is great fun seeing the alliance chat lament that fact.
I am just a servant, I do and see, then come here to laugh and troll. |
Sum1ne Else
Planetary Response Organization
7
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Posted - 2013.05.18 08:32:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:Wow pro is bad...
6 vs 16 and they still couldn't overwhelm RIFT? Wait till Pro runs into real corps....
So are you implying RIFT isn't a real corp!? What is a real corp then?
GG RIFT, we actually had the same problem however, organising the battle beforehand then members jumping in. There was also ridiculous lag-prob on both sides and from what I have experienced in the few PC battles I have been in its a regular thing; Then going into a pub match everything's smooth again.
See you on the battlefield- hopefully CCP get some dedicated servers and sort the networking issues.
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.05.18 08:36:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:Wow pro is bad...
6 vs 16 and they still couldn't overwhelm RIFT? Wait till Pro runs into real corps.... So are you implying RIFT isn't a real corp!? What is a real corp then? GG RIFT, we actually had the same problem however, organising the battle beforehand then members jumping in. There was also ridiculous lag-prob on both sides and from what I have experienced in the few PC battles I have been in its a regular thing; Then going into a pub match everything's smooth again. See you on the battlefield- hopefully CCP get some dedicated servers and sort the networking issues.
I shouldn't of implied they aren't a real corp - I have a lot of respect for these guys and am sorry for seemingly saying you guys are less then any other corp. You guys would rock PRO out of there sox any day of the weak including many other corps. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
Orion Empire
521
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Posted - 2013.05.18 08:52:00 -
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Naedeus wrote:Django Quik wrote:apart from the fact that I think we just became a part of Dust514 history by being the first corp to be infiltrated and griefed in Planetary Conquest. Sure... you can take the title of the first corp in history to be infiltrated and griefed in Planetary Conquest. Dust University will gladly take second. Though, honestly, you're not the first.
Yeah, I didn't see the other thread G-Uni started earlier until now. Well, it makes me feel no different that we weren't the first. One of the first will do and we're all the wiser for it. |
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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
Orion Empire
521
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Posted - 2013.05.18 08:56:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:Wow pro is bad...
6 vs 16 and they still couldn't overwhelm RIFT? Wait till Pro runs into real corps.... So are you implying RIFT isn't a real corp!? What is a real corp then? GG RIFT, we actually had the same problem however, organising the battle beforehand then members jumping in. There was also ridiculous lag-prob on both sides and from what I have experienced in the few PC battles I have been in its a regular thing; Then going into a pub match everything's smooth again. See you on the battlefield- hopefully CCP get some dedicated servers and sort the networking issues. I shouldn't of implied they aren't a real corp - I have a lot of respect for these guys and am sorry for seemingly saying you guys are less then any other corp. You guys would rock PRO out of there sox any day of the weak including many other corps.
Yeah, well in our other 3 matches against PRO we beat them so bad we came back with more clones than we started with, so they're really not a problem. It's just as well we weren't up against any proper competition. With that loss we're now 5-1 across PC and have nearly full clone counts on all 5 districts.
If they'd waited a couple more hours, they could have caused an actual problem when we just about beat Onslaught Inc [ROFL] by the skin of our teeth for a second time.
And I still don't understand why they just didn't blow themselves up with grenades as soon as they spawned until we had 0 clones left.
What's really funny was that I was thinking about doing the exact same thing to our attackers - slipping in an alt and sabotaging properly but I didn't bother in the end because we don't really need to. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
101
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Posted - 2013.05.18 08:59:00 -
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CCP would be unwise to say "well its part of the sandbox" it is an exploit of the game mechanic that battles are 16 v 16, you couldn't simply lock a corp out of a battle in Eve because there is no limit to number of ships in battle correct?
CCP needs to put an option for corp leaders to kick players / squads from PC battles unless they want their game broken and to fail. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
298
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Posted - 2013.05.18 09:04:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:CCP would be unwise to say "well its part of the sandbox" it is an exploit of the game mechanic that battles are 16 v 16, you couldn't simply lock a corp out of a battle in Eve because there is no limit to number of ships in battle correct?
CCP needs to put an option for corp leaders to kick players / squads from PC battles unless they want their game broken and to fail.
No.
Sabotage is a part of the game and every corp should set up there meta to counter this. It's really amazing it's even possible. You realize every other game caters to care bears so thoroughly that to grief someone using the games own rules is often reason enough to get your count restricted?
It's the only thing CCP is doing right imo. |
Nexus Cavor
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:05:00 -
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I am actually very surprised this hasn't already happened on a more grand scale. I guess the logistical aspect of it all is why it hasn't already happened. Plus the timing of it wouldn't make a lot of sense. I do foresee this becoming a huge issue for any entity that is not setup like a SOV holding entity, that is to say, a group without a holding corp for its PC investments. I'm kinda on the fence about this. I agree that the freedom of EVE should transfer to Dust and vice versa, however the realization of that will prove a very hard pill to swallow for a great many. Any Dust entity that did their homework on EVE should have realized they needed a holding corp for PC of only trusted members. I guess with all the excitement Dust forgot that EVE is a cold, hard, (insert what makes grammatical sense here). |
steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta
CRONOS.
550
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:13:00 -
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Aahhhh these threads make me smile console kids learning EvEs dark side pdq won't be long before these story's start to spread its been less than a week and PC is allready proving awsome |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
534
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:20:00 -
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Dude that sucks. I was in R.I.F.T before imps your all good guys who don't deserve this bs.
Its just people exploiting a limited queue its not true meta gaming at all. its just exploiting a game mechanic on a barley put together pc battle system.
If you need a pro FG/HMG for any of your future battles (before respec mind you) ill do it for free (no joke) I'm keeping my salvage and battle payout though. (im a imp after all :D)
You have my Axe! |
Nexus Cavor
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:20:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Aahhhh these threads make me smile console kids learning EvEs dark side pdq won't be long before these story's start to spread its been less than a week and PC is allready proving awsome
QQ, the universal currency of EVE and soon to be DUST! ISK and AUR are chump change... |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
526
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:22:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future.
No, just no. This must be allowed. You don't understand how New Eden works.
It's not griefing by the standards of the game world. Sabotage, infiltration and backstabbing is very much part of EVE and Dust. It also makes perfect sense from RP-perspective: these guys came in and extorted ISK from the corp using game mechanics. Everything is working as intended.
As OP said, the solution is to lock down your recruitment policies.
If you want to play your carebear games, stick to pubstomping or go play CoD. |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
534
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:28:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future. No, just no. This must be allowed. You don't understand how New Eden works.
ok one little small tiny detail?
you have to get transported to the planet from the war barge yeah?
So who let them down there?
In eve you would have to move from 1 place to another physically
you would not be number blocked in a space battle so its not transferable at all.
you could not get on a warbarge with a thousand personal or more on it
get on a mcc with its own sec and personnel and then get down to the planet and be the ONLY people allowed down there.
that is full of so many holes it cant hold holes.
In real eve style dust it would go like this.
You get selected to go on the attack
you get put into the war barge and security checked
you get moved to the mcc
You get athorization codes for the clones your going to be using.
your commander can cut your clone feed at any time because their his clones in the mcc so he has kill switches for them and the ability to shut them down.
now if you made it through all that and wreak havok yeah thats fair game play but the way your talking about makes 0 sense EVE side Lore or otherwise. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3079
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:34:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Hopefully CCP will be putting in the option to kick people from the match soon. So this will be a nonissue in the future. No, just no. This must be allowed. You don't understand how New Eden works. It's not griefing by the standards of the game world. Sabotage, infiltration and backstabbing is very much part of EVE and Dust. It also makes perfect sense from RP-perspective: these guys came in and extorted ISK from the corp using game mechanics. Everything is working as intended. As OP said, the solution is to lock down your recruitment policies. If you want to play your carebear games, stick to pubstomping or go play CoD.
No.
You're not understanding.
Sabotage needs to require effort, preparation and buildup.
You can't go and join an EVE Corp, then the following day turn the Corp inside out without having spent ages building up status, reputation and trust. The game is built to restrict a player's ability to cheat a Corp without building themselves up and EARN access to important functions.
DUST lets anyone join a Corp and from day one, absolutely destroy the Corp's capabilities and wipe territory.
We need to give the CEO and Directors power to kick other players from any Corp battle - PC included - and to decide who can be a squad leader (or add a squad leader title that allows Corp members that access and possible kick abilities).
Being able to kick someone else doesn't guarantee that you aren't a saboteur yourself, and it doesn't guarantee that they won't be able to rejoin, or that they won't have already cost you something important at a critical moment. |
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