No.

You're not understanding.

Sabotage needs to require effort, preparation and buildup.

You can't go and join an EVE Corp, then the following day turn the Corp inside out without having spent ages building up status, reputation and trust. The game is built to restrict a player's ability to cheat a Corp without building themselves up and EARN access to important functions.

DUST lets anyone join a Corp and from day one, absolutely destroy the Corp's capabilities and wipe territory.

We need to give the CEO and Directors power to kick other players from any Corp battle - PC included - and to decide who can be a squad leader (or add a squad leader title that allows Corp members that access and possible kick abilities).

Being able to kick someone else doesn't guarantee that you aren't a saboteur yourself, and it doesn't guarantee that they won't be able to rejoin, or that they won't have already cost you something important at a critical moment.

No.

You're not understanding.

Sabotage needs to require effort, preparation and buildup.

You can't go and join an EVE Corp, then the following day turn the Corp inside out without having spent ages building up status, reputation and trust. The game is built to restrict a player's ability to cheat a Corp without building themselves up and EARN access to important functions.

DUST lets anyone join a Corp and from day one, absolutely destroy the Corp's capabilities and wipe territory.

We need to give the CEO and Directors power to kick other players from any Corp battle - PC included - and to decide who can be a squad leader (or add a squad leader title that allows Corp members that access and possible kick abilities).

Being able to kick someone else doesn't guarantee that you aren't a saboteur yourself, and it doesn't guarantee that they won't be able to rejoin, or that they won't have already cost you something important at a critical moment.

DUST lets anyone join a Corp and from day one, absolutely destroy the Corp's capabilities and wipe territory.

We need to give the CEO and Directors power to kick other players from any Corp battle - PC included - and to decide who can be a squad leader (or add a squad leader title that allows Corp members that access and possible kick abilities).

If you're stupid enough to give directorship to an unknown who just joined the company, you deserve all the ISK loss and mayhem you're getting.



No. After battle begins you should be on your own. It would make sense that you can kick them from squads and voicecomms - but not from the game itself.

But all this talk about authorization codes and restricting access to clones just smells carebear-y and very un-EVE. There must be a way to backstab and betray your corpies.

If you're stupid enough to give directorship to an unknown who just joined the company, you deserve all the ISK loss and mayhem you're getting.

No. After battle begins you should be on your own. It would make sense that you can kick them from squads and voicecomms - but not from the game itself.

But all this talk about authorization codes and restricting access to clones just smells carebear-y and very un-EVE. There must be a way to backstab and betray your corpies.

This makes a bit more sense. I can see requiring some permissions before a real sabotage can happen. However... EVE doesn't exactly say you cannot join a fleet and start shooting your own after forming up. Sure that won't deal a ton of damage and would most likely put a giant target on that character forever but I think once CREST is released we can all do some research using the information it provides and require it for applications for more security. Until then... A storm is brewing...

all you need to screw someone in EVE is a blue tag and a cynosural field generator.

So I herd U liek hotdrops?

How does that prevent the players who are meant to be in the battle from joining?

It adds more people to the fight, but it doesn't remove the ones who were invited.

Yeah that is true. Although the best fix is to have a holding corp for Dust assets and another for EVE assets. You could even combine the two if you want. That is how it works with SOV and as far as I can tell PC is pretty much a form of SOV. If you want to pull what happened to BoB then you need to be high ranking sure. However it would be difficult to screw over a PC battle if you knew that core leadership was in charge of the queue. That is all that needs to happen, a simple corp restructuring of the districts onto a holder corp. This does require an alliance to work however I believe. Then again so does Null Sec SOV as well if I recall. The point is to get groups together for land grabs. I don't understand this mentality of anything an alliance can do a corp should be able to do just as well. It isn't logic.

all you need to screw someone in EVE is a blue tag and a cynosural field generator.

So I herd U liek hotdrops?

Been working all day and this thread wouldn't load on my phone for some reason.

Logged in at lunch and noticed I had been kicked from RIFT.
Read your tweets then read http://themittani.com/news/dust-514%E2%80%99s-first-recorded-awoxing-incident

Is this why I was kicked? I realize having joined just prior to this incident would raise suspicion but for the record I'm not a griefer by any means. I have nothing to gain from people like that.

Played a few games with RIFT yesterday and had a great time though my venture with the sniper rifle went horribly.
I'm not interested in re-joining, I was just curious as to what happened within such a short time frame of my joining to being kicked.

I'm applying to Dust Uni solely because my Eve toon is associated with Eve Uni and I hope to learn more about the game.

Hopefully someday we can catch a few more games together. Until then I wish you all the best.

I am actually very surprised this hasn't already happened on a more grand scale. I guess the logistical aspect of it all is why it hasn't already happened. Plus the timing of it wouldn't make a lot of sense. I do foresee this becoming a huge issue for any entity that is not setup like a SOV holding entity, that is to say, a group without a holding corp for its PC investments. I'm kinda on the fence about this. I agree that the freedom of EVE should transfer to Dust and vice versa, however the realization of that will prove a very hard pill to swallow for a great many. Any Dust entity that did their homework on EVE should have realized they needed a holding corp for PC of only trusted members. I guess with all the excitement Dust forgot that EVE is a cold, hard, (insert what makes grammatical sense here).

Sure... you can take the title of the first corp in history to be infiltrated and griefed in Planetary Conquest. Dust University will gladly take second. Though, honestly, you're not the first.

2. The ability to essentially "cut off clone reserves/ suit supplies" from players in match.

While infiltration is a valid play style in New Eden, this is currently OP and needs to be better balanced. Infiltration, like any role in the game, should require skill. Right now a kindergarten kid could pull it off.

We need a Role that does the same thing that Leovarian was suggesting doing using a holding corp. We need a Role that allows you to join a PC battle, so that you can only join a PC battle on your own if you have that Role or in a squad if your squad leader has the Role and you join as a squad.

Infiltration would still be possible, as it is in EVE, but would require real skill to build trust in order to get the PC Role. Right now you can infiltrate without building trust or forming relationships of any kind. Without trust there can be no betrayal. The only tears the current mechanic is generating are tears of frustration.