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Beta Dust Fish
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 00:25:00 -
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Disclaimer: I know you can Win Day 1 or 1st battle and outright grab the DIstrict by eliminating ALL the Defending sides clones of 310 (production fac.) or 350. Since that is highly unlikely especially with Defending side playing AFKing in MCC (in PC if a MCC is destroyed the AFKers should be Blown up to and count as Clones lost), hiding way behind the Redline, or just doesn't show up for 1st battle and 2nd Battle or 3rd Battle.
ok on to my Questions and Concerns Attacking side & Winning by MCC Destruction:
1st battle we Attacked and Won but.....
What Happens to my corps Remaining Clones that we did Not Lose?
Will those 100 Clones we didn't lose be Added into our 2nd Days Attack to give us 250 clones?
if Attacking & We Win the 2nd day by MCC destruction, Does that mean the Defending side only loses 150 total clones of what there remaining count is?
if the Defending corp only has 40 clones left on the District, Will there have to be a 3rd Battle that will cost the Attacking team another 80 million ISK?
A huge Concern is that a Defending corp who has 450 clones on District, could just pull a No Show and it would end up costing the Attacking corp who has no districts, 240 million ISK for a 3 day battle and Win by MCC destruction each time.
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I Wish CCP had better illustrated some Examples better for Attacking and Defending.
I sure didn't think we would have to spend another 80 million to Attack on the 2nd day because we had 100 clones remaining out of our 150.
Thanks to Anyone who can answers these questions. |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty
EoN.
56
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:08:00 -
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Beta Dust Fish wrote:
ok on to my Questions and Concerns Attacking side & Winning by MCC Destruction:
1st battle we Attacked and Won but.....
What Happens to my corps Remaining Clones that we did Not Lose?
Will those 100 Clones we didn't lose be Added into our 2nd Days Attack to give us 250 clones?
if Attacking & We Win the 2nd day by MCC destruction, Does that mean the Defending side only loses 150 total clones of what there remaining count is?
if the Defending corp only has 40 clones left on the District, Will there have to be a 3rd Battle that will cost the Attacking team another 80 million ISK?
A huge Concern is that a Defending corp who has 450 clones on District, could just pull a No Show and it would end up costing the Attacking corp who has no districts, 240 million ISK for a 3 day battle and Win by MCC destruction each time.
" What Happens to my corps Remaining Clones that we did Not Lose? "
Answer: If attacking, without a district, the remaining clones will be sold back to your corporation for 1/4 of the price.
If you do have a district, they will be sent back to it.
"Will those 100 Clones we didn't lose be Added into our 2nd Days Attack to give us 250 clones"
Answer: No
"if Attacking & We Win the 2nd day by MCC destruction, Does that mean the Defending side only loses 150 total clones of what there remaining count is? "
Yes unless your side managed to destroy more than 150
Example: Your side kills 151 clones, than the losers lose 151 clones. If your side kills 40 clones, defenders still lose 150 clones. I am not sure what happens to the attacker's clones if they lose due to MCC destruction.
"if the Defending corp only has 40 clones left on the District, Will there have to be a 3rd Battle that will cost the Attacking team another 80 million ISK?"
You only have to pay 80 million for starter packs. You can simply move clones from your district to the enemies to send an attack. And yes, there will have to be a third battle if the defending team has a remaining 40 clones after the 150 clone loss.
"A huge Concern is that a Defending corp who has 450 clones on District, could just pull a No Show and it would end up costing the Attacking corp who has no districts, 240 million ISK for a 3 day battle and Win by MCC destruction each time."
Like explained before, Clones don't always have to be purchase if you are producing though districts. I'm not sure what happens if the defenders have a no show but I've been told the defenders have a forfeit and lose the district in one battle. What I feel is when talking about 450 clone defenders, they would have to no show 3 times.
Hope I helped 
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Beta Dust Fish
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:28:00 -
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yeah it did Help a lot. Thank You
basically CCP is going to have change a bunch for Non-District holding Corps who are Attacking. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1156
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:32:00 -
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Just a thing about the clones and winning
If you lose under 150 clones, you will only lose 150 clones. There is no losing 40 clones and then losing an additional 150 clones, which would be 190 clones. If you lose 140 Clones in a match, you will only lose another 10.
Which means you'll probably see Defenders rushing out and then if they're losing, wait until they lost about 140 and then fall back so they won't suffer a slight penalty for the next battle. (If they have like 300 I s'pose) |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty
EoN.
57
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:32:00 -
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Beta Dust Fish wrote:yeah it did Help a lot. Thank You
basically CCP is going to have change a bunch for Non-District holding Corps who are Attacking.
Nothing about this has to change. Basically they're sending a message shouting: Get a district to save & make more ISK
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty
EoN.
57
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:37:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Just a thing about the clones and winning
If you lose under 150 clones, you will only lose 150 clones. There is no losing 40 clones and then losing an additional 150 clones, which would be 190 clones. If you lose 140 Clones in a match, you will only lose another 10.
Which means you'll probably see Defenders rushing out and then if they're losing, wait until they lost about 140 and then fall back so they won't suffer a slight penalty for the next battle. (If they have like 300 I s'pose)
To clarify things, losing defenders will ALWAYS lose atleast 150 clones. If the attacker manages to exceed over 150 clone kills than that is the definite clone kill amount.
Example: Attackers kill 170 Defenders. Defenders lose 170 clones. |
Paper Cutter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:47:00 -
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For clarity, a district-less corp will shill out about a quarter billion (3 clone packs @ 80 mil each) ISK for a three day battle for a district that contains a clone storage facility? Is that correct? |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty
EoN.
58
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:49:00 -
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Paper Cutter wrote:For clarity, a district-less corp will shill out about a quarter billion (3 clone packs @ 80 mil each) ISK for a three day battle for a district that contains a clone storage facility? Is that correct?
Correct if 450 clones are defending |
Paper Cutter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.05.18 01:58:00 -
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:Paper Cutter wrote:For clarity, a district-less corp will shill out about a quarter billion (3 clone packs @ 80 mil each) ISK for a three day battle for a district that contains a clone storage facility? Is that correct? Correct if 450 clones are defending
Thank you. One more: If the defending corp holds more than one district, can they just bring more clones in from the neighbouring district to resupply the one currently under attack? As I also understand it, there is no attrition loss if the district is in the same solar system. Is that correct as well? I'll take my answer off the air, thanks in advance.  |
Beta Dust Fish
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:15:00 -
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and if a District has Over 300 clones too.
so if they have 310 or 350 on Day 1, you will need a 3rd 80 million to kill 10 clones !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
such bs |
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Paper Cutter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:19:00 -
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Beta Dust Fish wrote:and if a District has Over 300 clones too.
so if they have 310 or 350 on Day 1, you will need a 3rd 80 million to kill 10 clones !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
such bs
I thought there was a limit on the amount each district could hold, and once under attack are they locked down? |
Beta Dust Fish
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:07:00 -
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Paper Cutter wrote:Beta Dust Fish wrote:and if a District has Over 300 clones too.
so if they have 310 or 350 on Day 1, you will need a 3rd 80 million to kill 10 clones !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
such bs I thought there was a limit on the amount each district could hold, and once under attack are they locked down?
since we do Not own a District we now have to spend 80 million ISK for a Starter Clone Kit just to goto day 3 vs the Defending team who has ONLY 10 clones left!!!!!!!!
the 1/4 quarter payout of Attacking Winnings clones is only about 10-12 million per battle won goes into Corp Wallet. |
Talruum Tezztarozza
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
125
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Posted - 2013.05.18 07:38:00 -
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Paper Cutter wrote:Thank you. One more: If the defending corp holds more than one district, can they just bring more clones in from the neighbouring district to resupply the one currently under attack? As I also understand it, there is no attrition loss if the district is in the same solar system. Is that correct as well? I'll take my answer off the air, thanks in advance.
From my understanding, The district under attack is locked down. They can't send in reinforce clones from other district. After the battle, your (attacking) corp alone is given one hour to reissue the next wave. If you do, you can attack again in 23 hours and the district will continue to be locked down. |
Beta Dust Fish
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:24:00 -
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AGAIN..... The Problem is for NON-district owning Corps
what people are missing is that the Districts that can hold a max of 450 clones will get with TWO reinforcement cycles up to 310 minimum. 310/450 clones. 1st battle now 310/450. 2nd battle is 160/450. 3rd battle is 10/450
i really don't think CCP intended a 240 million cost (3 starter clone kits at 80 mill) for NON-district owning corps.
This Economic Vicious Cycle will persist for NON-district owning corps
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3079
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:40:00 -
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If you win the battle, you get 1/4 of your purchase price back for every surviving clone.
If you win, you also prevent the district's next reinforcement cycle, AND steal half the canceled clone production.
If they have 450 clones, that means they only get the baseline amount of clone production (I think it's 70? So 35? Maybe... I forget). So you get those clones sold at 1/4 cost too.
So you spend 80 million per battle, over three battles, but make back probably 60 million.
I don't think 180 million is unreasonable if you're winning. |
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