DUST Search - Scout LAV vs Logi LAV

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Also, logistics LAVS need to be slower than regular LAVs, and they need to have less shield recharge. They do NOT need to have more slots than the basic LAVs. They should keep the higher base HP

Scout LAVs need more speed, and more shield recharge.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Me and my brother were doing some research on the LAV specializations.
The logistics LAV has no drawbacks, just as fast as the other LAVs, more HP, more shield recharge, more slots. This is not a sidegrade or specialization, its a complete upgrade.
We checked the scout LAV, and that what really surprised me; the Abron (scout LAV) has the EXACT same stats as the baloch (militia LAV). The only difference is a worthless bonus to turret turning speed, slight acceleration speed, and a blue color. This thing is so worthless. Basically a 80k+ SP sink militia LAV.

The LAV specializations show a complete lack of competence on the devs responsible for them (Blam and/or whoever else). Seriously, the scout LAV... how did they possibly think it was a good idea? I seriously want to know the thought process behind this.

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Dark Deviser XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:24:00 - [1] - Quote I would like to discuss LAV's with all of you. As it stands here are the advantages and disavantages that I'm currently aware of... Scout LAV: Pros: speed and turret tracking. Cons: has low armor/shield, and its blue. Now LAV's imo are pretty fast already so it doesn't really add much... Turret tracking honestly doesn't really add much either because small turret's already have decent tracking imo so basically all your getting is a downgrade. Now lets look at the logi LAV in comparison and laugh at how much better it is haha. Logi LAV: Pros: heals, has highest armor/shield value of all LAV's, and its yellow. Cons: none. Everyone I know and see, plays logi LAV over scout. I want to hear from any of you scout rollers what you would like to see on you're LAV, or is the scout LAV okay as it is? I really don't know, but I really want to find out. Also feedback and input from Logi LAV rollers are also welcomed. let the discussion begin!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1154	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:31:00 - [2] - Quote Yellow is a Con, I want gold rims not a yellow car. LLAV is superior to the other LAVs when being a murder taxi, that is all.
Big Popa Smurff Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 189	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:38:00 - [3] - Quote iv got the limbus and the scout LAV and the scout is useless. we had a race in an empty game with 5 LAV's. 2 methana's, 1 limbus, 1 saga and a scout LAV, i was in the scout and it was barley faster than rest. no point in them. plus the paint job is awful
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1194	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:45:00 - [4] - Quote The scout is the same speed, I don't know how is doing the numbers at CCP for this title but FIRE THEM. Just let someone else try please. Or move them somewhere else in the company, no need to kick him just don't let him be in charge anymore... sigh.... The guys at the icelandic office must be facepalming but cant say anything. Don't worry guys I have faith. Living game and all 100% new game every 6 months, I'm ready for the ride.
Dark Deviser XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.05.18 00:49:00 - [5] - Quote I don't think there really is any hope for the scout LAV Unless they add some kind of equipable or better stats? Any input on what those might be? that would make a person spec into scout over logi or am I completely wrong.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 998	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:02:00 - [6] - Quote Logi LAV has a penalty to turret damage I believe. There's no stat for it, but it's in the description.
copy left SyNergy Gaming EoN. 187	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:03:00 - [7] - Quote The scout LAV needs to be 2x as fast as the regular variants then.
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:07:00 - [8] - Quote Priced?
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 357	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:07:00 - [9] - Quote copy left wrote: The scout LAV needs to be 2x as fast as the regular variants then. Only if you can strap C-4 to it and jihad some biznatches.
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 50	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:27:00 - [10] - Quote Maybe adding sensor capabilities to the scout lav ?? Making it have the same abilities as a very good vehicle active scanner has just passively. That way it could really act as a form of SLAV in that it''ll most likely pick up targets before they are actually seen. Idea ??

Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:29:00 - [11] - Quote Cloaking is coming... Predator roadkill.
Dark Deviser XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:37:00 - [12] - Quote How about enchaning the range of an active scanner? or built in CRU? or the ability to drop upload links from the LAV? increased speed that actually shows. cough cough maybe increased turret damage? These things are scout'ish imo and it doesn't even have to even be a big difference just something that makes it comparable to logi. Turret rotation and speed that doesn't even show are not even slightly comparable to the logi LAV.
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 122	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:57:00 - [13] - Quote Dark Deviser wrote: I would like to discuss LAV's with all of you. As it stands here are the advantages and disavantages that I'm currently aware of... Scout LAV: Pros: speed and turret tracking. Cons: has low armor/shield, and its blue. Now LAV's imo are pretty fast already so it doesn't really add much... Turret tracking honestly doesn't really add much either because small turret's already have decent tracking imo so basically all your getting is a downgrade. Now lets look at the logi LAV in comparison and laugh at how much better it is haha. Logi LAV: Pros: heals, has highest armor/shield value of all LAV's, and its yellow. Cons: none. Everyone I know and see, plays logi LAV over scout. I want to hear from any of you scout rollers what you would like to see on you're LAV, or is the scout LAV okay as it is? I really don't know, but I really want to find out. Also feedback and input from Logi LAV rollers are also welcomed. let the discussion begin! I use both. Sometimes i run the scout with a nitro and a turbo, and it's pretty great. Other then races, it sucks
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 288	Posted - 2013.05.18 04:09:00 - [14] - Quote Scout LAV's should come with motion sensors for passive scanning, a reduced profile signature, and be faster. Maybe quieter as well.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1549	Posted - 2013.05.18 04:27:00 - [15] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Logi LAV has a penalty to turret damage I believe. There's no stat for it, but it's in the description. Confirmed removed.
DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 256	Posted - 2013.05.18 04:29:00 - [16] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: Scout LAV's should come with motion sensors for passive scanning, a reduced profile signature, and be faster. Maybe quieter as well. Hmm, I like the sounds of that. I'd appreciate dedicated EWAR vehicles.
The-Errorist BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 69	Posted - 2013.07.25 02:35:00 - [17] - Quote Dark Deviser wrote: I would like to discuss LAV's with all of you. As it stands here are the advantages and disavantages that I'm currently aware of... Scout LAV: Pros: speed and turret tracking. Cons: has low armor/shield, and its blue. Now LAV's imo are pretty fast already so it doesn't really add much... Turret tracking honestly doesn't really add much either because small turret's already have decent tracking imo so basically all your getting is a downgrade. Now lets look at the logi LAV in comparison and laugh at how much better it is haha. Logi LAV: Pros: heals, has highest armor/shield value of all LAV's, and its yellow. Cons: none. Everyone I know and see, plays logi LAV over scout. I want to hear from any of you scout rollers what you would like to see on you're LAV, or is the scout LAV okay as it is? I really don't know, but I really want to find out. Also feedback and input from Logi LAV rollers are also welcomed. let the discussion begin! You forgot to mention that they lose 2 slots: 1 high and 1 low, have lower shield recharge rates, a lot less base hp, and lastly less PG/CPU.
Eriknaught Vader's Taco Shack 107	Posted - 2013.07.25 03:24:00 - [18] - Quote DigiOps wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: Scout LAV's should come with motion sensors for passive scanning, a reduced profile signature, and be faster. Maybe quieter as well. Hmm, I like the sounds of that. I'd appreciate dedicated EWAR vehicles. Driving around jamming radars would be cool. Or, even better, radar jamming equipment o.0 On topic; I really wanted to like the SLAVs, but LLAVs really are better in pretty much every aspect. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 726	Posted - 2013.07.25 03:39:00 - [19] - Quote Scout LAVs: When the turret you don't use needs to be 10% faster
xSaloLx GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 46	Posted - 2013.07.25 03:49:00 - [20] - Quote I had some ideas about the SLAV (there's a thread I made somewhere in Req/FB). Basically I said make it faster, give it a built-in active scanner, and give it a 10-15% small turret damage boost per level along with current bonuses. The idea was that it becomes an anti-LAV/ lone infantry LAV.

The-Errorist BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 71	Posted - 2013.07.25 03:53:00 - [21] - Quote I just speced into the Scout LAV on a test acc, It has the SAME speed as a militia LAV. Its has the same stats as a militia LAV, but with a much higher price tag. A standard LAV is an upgrade to a scout LAV and its cheaper.
Raz Warsaw Capital Acquisitions LLC 11	Posted - 2013.07.25 06:35:00 - [22] - Quote Posting in a stealth LLAV are op thread Limbus is not op Shield is OP Make flux Av nades(magnetized) LLavs are no longer OP /thread
The-Errorist BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 71	Posted - 2013.07.25 07:17:00 - [23] - Quote Raz Warsaw wrote: Posting in a stealth LLAV are op thread Limbus is not op Shield is OP Make flux Av nades(magnetized) LLavs are no longer OP /thread You're going off-topic. This is not the right thread for that discussion.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5123	Posted - 2013.07.25 07:17:00 - [24] - Quote Also, logistics LAVS need to be slower than regular LAVs, and they need to have less shield recharge. They do NOT need to have more slots than the basic LAVs. They should keep the higher base HP Scout LAVs need more speed, and more shield recharge. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Me and my brother were doing some research on the LAV specializations. The logistics LAV has no drawbacks, just as fast as the other LAVs, more HP, more shield recharge, more slots. This is not a sidegrade or specialization, its a complete upgrade. We checked the scout LAV, and that what really surprised me; the Abron (scout LAV) has the EXACT same stats as the baloch (militia LAV). The only difference is a worthless bonus to turret turning speed, slight acceleration speed, and a blue color. This thing is so worthless. Basically a 80k+ SP sink militia LAV. The LAV specializations show a complete lack of competence on the devs responsible for them (Blam and/or whoever else). Seriously, the scout LAV... how did they possibly think it was a good idea? I seriously want to know the thought process behind this.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 41	Posted - 2013.07.25 07:23:00 - [25] - Quote I don't own a scout LAV. something that costs that much I would like a little more protection to the investment. That said I stole a scout LAV and WHOA it was so manoeuvrable I couldn't believe it. If they cut the cost a little I would totally spec into it. As for the LLAV's. Does the repair feature work? I try it every opportunity I can and its always failed. I can shield boost and remote repair tanks but not the unique infantry rep.
The-Errorist BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 71	Posted - 2013.07.25 07:26:00 - [26] - Quote broonfondle majikthies wrote: I don't own a scout LAV. something that costs that much I would like a little more protection to the investment. That said I stole a scout LAV and WHOA it was so manoeuvrable I couldn't believe it. If they cut the cost a little I would totally spec into it. As for the LLAV's. Does the repair feature work? I try it every opportunity I can and its always failed. I can shield boost and remote repair tanks but not the unique infantry rep. The infantry repper works.
Mary Sedillo BetaMax. CRONOS. 181	Posted - 2013.07.25 07:28:00 - [27] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Yellow is a Con, I want gold rims not a yellow car. LLAV is superior to the other LAVs when being a murder taxi, that is all. It is pretty badass, but can fulfill more roles than being a murder taxi.
Mary Sedillo BetaMax. CRONOS. 181	Posted - 2013.07.25 07:29:00 - [28] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Also, logistics LAVS need to be slower than regular LAVs, and they need to have less shield recharge. They do NOT need to have more slots than the basic LAVs. They should keep the higher base HP Scout LAVs need more speed, and more shield recharge. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Me and my brother were doing some research on the LAV specializations. The logistics LAV has no drawbacks, just as fast as the other LAVs, more HP, more shield recharge, more slots. This is not a sidegrade or specialization, its a complete upgrade. We checked the scout LAV, and that what really surprised me; the Abron (scout LAV) has the EXACT same stats as the baloch (militia LAV). The only difference is a worthless bonus to turret turning speed, slight acceleration speed, and a blue color. This thing is so worthless. Basically a 80k+ SP sink militia LAV. The LAV specializations show a complete lack of competence on the devs responsible for them (Blam and/or whoever else). Seriously, the scout LAV... how did they possibly think it was a good idea? I seriously want to know the thought process behind this. Yeah, they do. They don't need to go INSTA POP to infantry. When will you guys stop crying all the time?
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 41	Posted - 2013.07.25 07:34:00 - [29] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: The LAV was so menuverable mostly due of the modules the person put on the LAV, not just cuz its a scout LAV, the person could have also maxed out the passive 2% per level acceleration. Also the infantry repper works. Ah fair enough I guess. I shall persevere cus I refuse to be a murder taxi. TO THE LIMBUS!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5154	Posted - 2013.07.27 06:53:00 - [30] - Quote Logistics LAVs should be a specialization, not an upgrade.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 989	Posted - 2013.07.27 07:03:00 - [31] - Quote on LAV its LLAV or go home. the scout LAV is the worse idea CCP has put out to the players. its more rare than the LR and proto flux nades.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5912	Posted - 2013.09.12 21:03:00 - [32] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Also, logistics LAVS need to be slower than regular LAVs, and they need to have less shield recharge. They do NOT need to have more slots than the basic LAVs. They should keep the higher base HP Scout LAVs need more speed, and more shield recharge. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Me and my brother were doing some research on the LAV specializations. The logistics LAV has no drawbacks, just as fast as the other LAVs, more HP, more shield recharge, more slots. This is not a sidegrade or specialization, its a complete upgrade. We checked the scout LAV, and that what really surprised me; the Abron (scout LAV) has the EXACT same stats as the baloch (militia LAV). The only difference is a worthless bonus to turret turning speed, slight acceleration speed, and a blue color. This thing is so worthless. Basically a 80k+ SP sink militia LAV. The LAV specializations show a complete lack of competence on the devs responsible for them (Blam and/or whoever else). Seriously, the scout LAV... how did they possibly think it was a good idea? I seriously want to know the thought process behind this. I still stand by this
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5915	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:00:00 - [33] - Quote fix it
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:23:00 - [34] - Quote Hopefully these issues are fixed in 1.5 and hopefully it's not worse.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1205	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:39:00 - [35] - Quote anything with the word scout in it is getting screwed over it seems
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:41:00 - [36] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: anything with the word scout in it is getting screwed over it seems lol yes.
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 105	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:44:00 - [37] - Quote CCP needs to come up with some way of making the small turrets on all vehicles a viable weapon. Due to weird lag effect the shots never go where you're aiming unless the vehicle is stationary.


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