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Aaronjin Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:22:00 - [1] - Quote i joined up with some squadies, me being at abuot 750k sp, the other two around 625k or so, and previously, actaull;y, quite a few times i was able to que us all into the academy instant battles and the fights werent really easy but i was getting kills and it was enjoyable. the last two nights, i join up with my squadies and try to join the academy instant battle thingy and i get this message that pops up and says "a player is already a member of a squad"; of course they are in my squad and i am unable to join the academy que. so we have been joining the factional warfare skirmishes on the next tab over and we've been getting our asses handed to us, not fun at all. now for my questions :O is there a WP set determination on when you are STOPPED from queing for academy battles? we WERE able to que for Academy battles as a group before, but is my +100k sp not letting me join with them in academy battles? (side note, i am able to get into the academy battles solo, tested it out :P) is joining as a squad not allowable anymore for academy battles? randomly, instead of academy battle in the instant tab, it will switch between the ACADEMY BATTLE que and the four other ques, assault, skirmish domination, and AoE(?) assault. why does the que do that? when i had the option to join one of the 4 play modes, i qued my squad in the skirmish mode and we got into a skirmish, but it was all proto gear and ownage on us, nothing was my level in there, is that que intentional? if there is a OFFICIAL list or something here on the dust forums on what the academy battle squad rules are for WP and joining, i'll like a link please; there is alot of stuff posted here and working 40hrs a week, i dont have much time to investigate it myself currently. i am expecting hate and such on this post but hey, i have questions. well, thanks for your answers, i'll check them after work runs off to work
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 334	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:28:00 - [2] - Quote Aaronjin wrote: i joined up with some squadies, me being at abuot 750k sp, the other two around 625k or so, and previously, actaull;y, quite a few times i was able to que us all into the academy instant battles and the fights werent really easy but i was getting kills and it was enjoyable. the last two nights, i join up with my squadies and try to join the academy instant battle thingy and i get this message that pops up and says "a player is already a member of a squad"; of course they are in my squad and i am unable to join the academy que. so we have been joining the factional warfare skirmishes on the next tab over and we've been getting our asses handed to us, not fun at all. now for my questions :O is there a WP set determination on when you are STOPPED from queing for academy battles? Yes, though I'm not sure anyone outside CCP knows the exact number. Quote: we WERE able to que for Academy battles as a group before, but is my +100k sp not letting me join with them in academy battles? (side note, i am able to get into the academy battles solo, tested it out :P) As stated above, Academy battles are based on WP, not SP if I remember correctly. Generally a good idea is to have everyone leave the squad and remake it. There are still a few squad-based bugs floating around and that may be one of them. is joining as a squad not allowable anymore for academy battles? Quote: randomly, instead of academy battle in the instant tab, it will switch between the ACADEMY BATTLE que and the four other ques, assault, skirmish domination, and AoE(?) assault. why does the que do that? I think that's a bug. The 4 you see are what the rest of the players who can't get into Academy battles see. Quote: when i had the option to join one of the 4 play modes, i qued my squad in the skirmish mode and we got into a skirmish, but it was all proto gear and ownage on us, nothing was my level in there, is that que intentional? Academy battles are where you're going to have the best chance at success and the most fun. If it isn't letting you see the Academy queue, try logging out of the game and back in. Quote: if there is a OFFICIAL list or something here on the dust forums on what the academy battle squad rules are for WP and joining, i'll like a link please; there is alot of stuff posted here and working 40hrs a week, i dont have much time to investigate it myself currently. i am expecting hate and such on this post but hey, i have questions. well, thanks for your answers, i'll check them after work runs off to work I don't think the collective WP of a squad determines if you can't get in, only the WP for each individual.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1157	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:30:00 - [3] - Quote If any members of your squad do not see the academy queue then your squad will not be able to join. You can however change the squad leader to the player who can see the normal queues and join those instead. Also the flicking back and forth between the academy and the other queues was a bug which should have been fixed as of downtime yesterday.

martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 101	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:36:00 - [4] - Quote Hey Nullabor, can we know the WP limit, as a quick info so new player know when they will get out of there?

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1158	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:40:00 - [5] - Quote The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though.

Vallud Eadesso Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 144	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:46:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. I feel they should change to more like 100,000 and 2-3 million SP personally. The transition from academy to teams of 6 in proto suits with TacARs has forced a few friends away already D:
Zatara Rought Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 153	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:49:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. 10k is to low. I earn 10k wp's in 6-7 skirmishes (less than 3 1/2 hours) What about raising it to 25k?
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 334	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:04:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. 50,000 WP and 3-4 million SP are my suggestions. You should open up the other queues once they hit 25,000 in case they want to test the waters or try a different game mode.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3052	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:05:00 - [9] - Quote 2 mil SP is a good number, but the WP count should definitely be raised. Bumping it up to 25k would mean skilled players don't stick around long, giving less experienced FPS players more time in the "kiddie pool".
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3053	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:09:00 - [10] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. 50,000 WP and 3-4 million SP are my suggestions. You should open up the other queues once they hit 25,000 in case they want to test the waters or try a different game mode. This is a good idea. LET new players move on as solo players after hitting 25k (maybe even the current 10k), but give them the option to stick with the Academy battles for a while longer if they feel like they need it.


CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1161	Posted - 2013.05.16 19:37:00 - [11] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. 10k is to low. I earn 10k wp's in 6-7 skirmishes (less than 3 1/2 hours) What about raising it to 25k? Sure, but then you've been playing for a while. Our data suggests it takes quite a lot longer for a brand new player to achieve their first 10,000 war points. It is also not designed to shield them from the veterans while they get good, it is a buffer to give them a chance to figure out the mechanics of the game before progressing. We are working on a more intelligent matchmaking solution which will do a better job of skill based balancing.

DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 280	Posted - 2013.05.16 20:02:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. 10k is to low. I earn 10k wp's in 6-7 skirmishes (less than 3 1/2 hours) What about raising it to 25k? Sure, but then you've been playing for a while. Our data suggests it takes quite a lot longer for a brand new player to achieve their first 10,000 war points. It is also not designed to shield them from the veterans while they get good, it is a buffer to give them a chance to figure out the mechanics of the game before progressing. We are working on a more intelligent matchmaking solution which will do a better job of skill based balancing. New players can get 10k WP too fast though. The average score I have seen is between 400-600 WP. With that, they'll "graduate" after roughly 20 games. If they get 3000-4000 SP per game (assuming no booster), they'll end with ~580,000 SP, not including passive. You can't put together a decent suit with that amount that can compete with the regular Dust crowd, regardless of how much you have played. To be honest, new players are better off AFKing until they hit 2 mil SP and starting out with better gear. The current cutoff encourages not PTFO, and that's a major issue. Maybe use kills as a factor in addition to higher WP and SP cutoffs.
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1171	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:27:00 - [13] - Quote DS 10, the point is they shouldn't get to stick around in academy, it's not CCPs style. It's just a way to get used to the ganme, plus everyone you play will be below 10,000 wp, meaning everyone will really really suck. Which is great for learning how to move the camera around and what the run button is. Come on lets be honest players need that. Once tey can get 1000wp a match they deserve to leave.
Baneus Secundi Intara Direct Action Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:38:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. Does that mean I'll not be able to get into Academy queues on this character? I've been accumulating SP since beta(something between 3-4 million I think), but haven't actually found any time to set foot in a battle until now
NORIC verIV DUST University Ivy League 35	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:41:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. It would be nice if there was a decay element as well. Something to allow returning players an opportunity to re-establish their bearings. This game does have some unique twitch mechanics. Plus CCP seems to update the mechanics every few months.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1178	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:43:00 - [16] - Quote Baneus Secundi wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. Does that mean I'll not be able to get into Academy queues on this character? I've been accumulating SP since beta(something between 3-4 million I think), but haven't actually found any time to set foot in a battle until now That is correct, you will be above the threshold. We put this limit in for this very reason, so pro players don't build idle characters for the sole purpose of stomping the academy queue with awesome skills. If you want time to practice in the academy I would suggest rolling another character to play through your first 10k war points.

Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 361	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:51:00 - [17] - Quote The starting amount of SP and ISK for brand new characters would need to be significantly increased. Enabling players to have a single proficient specialty from day 1. At least one specialty enabling them to compete.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 459	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:11:00 - [18] - Quote @Aaronjin, this is response to the unable to join message "a player is already a member of a squad". This may or may not be related to the Instant Academy however we have seen this or something similar to it before. It normally indicated that the Squad Structure itself was broken. The quick(-ish) solution is to disband the squad by everybody leaving. Then start a new squad are re-invite them back. If one person is unable leave the original squad then they are the cause of the broken behavior and it is best if they restart DUST before bringing the into the squad. With the new start procedure that is reasonably quick these days. Hope this helps.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits 287	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:34:00 - [19] - Quote +1 For the face :O lol always gets me :D
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 232	Posted - 2013.05.17 04:05:00 - [20] - Quote Jathniel wrote: The starting amount of SP and ISK for brand new characters would need to be significantly increased. Enabling players to have a single proficient specialty from day 1. At least one specialty enabling them to compete. Only beta players are absolutely set in their ways to the point that they cannot even acknowledge the Basic tier suits. New players won't have that problem, and will do just fine in every field except the Logi equip slot gimp, which probably isn't here to stay anyway.

Aaronjin Luminova 4	Posted - 2013.05.20 03:30:00 - [21] - Quote yeah, my warpoints where over 10k, like 10,200wp or something like that; i only found this out on the site and nothing ingame notified me. maybe they can add something like that.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 243	Posted - 2013.05.20 09:00:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. What about Academy 25,000 wp, and then add a second tier, with more game modes available for another 25,000 wp ? Total; 50,000 wp Divided in two tiers
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 54	Posted - 2013.05.20 11:39:00 - [23] - Quote Ignoring the arguments about what the level should be before moving on to the main game it would be useful for new players if a dialogue box came up stating "Congratulations you have now obtained xxxxx WP and xxxxx SP and will now be graduating from the Academy and entering the mercenary trade. If you wish to see your current records e.g. WP or K/D then please go to ........" Also new starters should receive an email as well as a pop up message stating what the requirements are for graduating so they are not quite so surprised when they find they can not enter Academy battles.
blowmypvts The Generals EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.05.20 11:50:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The war point limit is currently set to 10,000 and an upper skill point limit of 2 million as well. Those numbers may change though. 10k is to low. I earn 10k wp's in 6-7 skirmishes (less than 3 1/2 hours) What about raising it to 25k? Sure, but then you've been playing for a while. Our data suggests it takes quite a lot longer for a brand new player to achieve their first 10,000 war points. It is also not designed to shield them from the veterans while they get good, it is a buffer to give them a chance to figure out the mechanics of the game before progressing. We are working on a more intelligent matchmaking solution which will do a better job of skill based balancing. But when you come out of this academy your really under sp for the rest of dust. When you start getting destroyed by proto suits and Dtac the game no longer becomes fun.


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