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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:04:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:I would personally spend every game killing my allies. yes ccp do this please! This guy understands the Eve Online mentality.
Mer Kure's list is pretty much how it would play out. +1
Friendly Fire is a great idea concept that CCP has properly placed in Planetary Conquest where the risk/reward mechanics are looking good. Leave it there. |
Smokey of 313
The Freelancers LLC
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:06:00 -
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It can't be put into every mode. I get people shooting me for rides and I'm already full. In some cases Some players will shoot you to warn you too. |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:42:00 -
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+1 to FF. Makes the game more consistent. Whats the lore excuse for how our allies are immune to our weapons and orbitals? |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
249
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:43:00 -
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NO |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
19
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:48:00 -
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I don't mind FF that much, as it this will make the game evolve from "there's a see of red and blues, I'm just gonna shoot, I'm bound to hit some reds!" or "let's have the squad rush into an enemy position and if things get dicey, we'll drop our own orbital on our heads and kill them all!"
Speaking of Orbitals, can we have a visual or audio cue so we can actually differentiate between friendly orbitals and enemy orbitals? |
LT Dans Legs
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
94
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:59:00 -
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Friendly fire on? Hell ya. Im sick of shooting some one then a blueberry steps in front of me wasting my ammo then they die by the guy i had almost killed but then my clip is empty and the same guy then kills me. All within 1.5 seconds. If ff was on i could kill the stupid blueberry that cut me off and still finish off the enemy. Thats only one out of hundreds of reasons to turn it on. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
169
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:06:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Friendly Fire doesn't need to be turned on for all damage but there are definite places where it should be turned on.
Precision strikes, getting run over by vehicles... pretty much anything other than light/heavy weapon damage just to avoid massacres involving people that can't aim.
This is the whole reason I want it, I am sick of getting killed by firing squads full of spray and pray mouthbreathers who just squad blob around in their proto gear spraying and praying their Dren ARs and Tactical ARs and HMGs at any reddot they think they can hit.
If they had to worry about being mowed down by their own squadmates, they might reconsider what they call "tactics".
As far as a consequence is concerned, I like the idea of -100 WP for blue kills (with it affecting acquiring Orbs too). There should also be a limit which, once reached, the offender is auto-kicked from the match (retaining naught but deaths stat-wise).
IMHO, if it is implemented, it needs to be implemented 100% across the board (20 DPS to a reddot = 20 DPS to a bluedot) affecting all methods of inflicting damage in all game modes. |
CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
82
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:07:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:Turn on friendly fire, CCP. Give us consequences for our mistakes in all game modes.
I'll TK you constantly in your proto suit. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
73
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:45:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Chinduko wrote:Turn on friendly fire, CCP. Give us consequences for our mistakes in all game modes. I'll TK you constantly in your proto suit.
That the spirit, sport! |
Defy Gravity
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
53
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:49:00 -
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I'd rather not, with the amount of friendly assholes that run over you with an LAV. Its to much to soon to add this. Maybe add hardcore game modes with No HUD, And friendly fire. |
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Julius Vindice
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
70
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:50:00 -
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Friendly fire in a public game would be like my family reunion with everyone trying to kill and lynch each other for some one-sided humor, so... NO |
Ademis Kalel
WarRavens
8
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:52:00 -
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Yes please, sorry heavies no more hiding behind your jumping bunnies and shooting through them. |
Xender17
Oblivion S.G.X
71
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:55:00 -
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Consequences would have to go beyond the battle for players to not do it. As fun as it would be... tankers and protos would get trolled badly. I like the idea of there being a FF separate game though. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3061
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:02:00 -
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Add non-PC Corp battles like we used to have.
Give an option to request battles with FF on or off. |
Jammer Jalapeno
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:11:00 -
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Hmmm would be nice to shoot the blueberry hacking a CRU |
ZDub 303
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
145
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:14:00 -
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The shear amount of TKing that would happen if all game modes had FF on... this game would probably lose around 60% of its current playbase per day until youre down to a couple hundred hardcore players that jump into the match and TK eachother until they get kicked.
First team to run out of clones wins!
Only way I could see it being possible is if you were forced to cover the cost of the clone you killed, and if you run out of isk your toon was deleted.
TK a proto? "shoot there goes 150k isk... oh crap I only had 130k in the bank" (you have been disconnected from the server) (Log in) (Toon deleted) Well I guess its back to COD!" |
LXicon
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
97
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:17:00 -
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Sometimes when teammates spawn, they have no name above them. I have shot friendlies because i don't see blue or green above their heads. I have been shot coming out of spawn.
Switching to repair tools does not always work. I've shot people i was meaning to rep.
Things like this need to be fixed before CCP adds FF in more game modes.
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I'm all for more FF in games. I do want to see -100 WP for a friendly kill and maybe some audio indicator when your are shooting friendlies. After 5 FF kills, I also think you should get booted from the game with no ISK.
It might also be an idea to bill the TKer for the suits the clones they destroyed and reimburse the victims. |
Dalorian Riften
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:32:00 -
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Mer Kure wrote:I wouldn't mind if there were separate modes with FF on, but just integrating them to everything, I'd go against it, with no real incentive to not shoot your allies, people will kill for the smallest of reasons. I can imagine now...
*Starts hacking anything* - Shot so they get the WP -
*Waiting on a vehicle* - Shot/ Sniped so they can steal it -
*Gets to AA Gun* - Shot so they can use it -
*Gets on a vehicle as a passenger* - Shot because they wanted a spot/ that specific spot -
*Stays on MCC for more than 5 secs for whatever reason* - Shot because they think you're afk -
*In the same team as someone in a rival corp/ alliance* - Shot because they don't like you -
*Gets a good spot that has good view and cover* - Shot so they can stay there instead -
*In a match with both teams have players of same corp/ alliance* - Shot because traitor/ so the other team wins -
*Minding your own business* - Shot because no reason, shot because other player is a jerk, shot because other player is new/ didn't know -
*Someone somewhere in your team going "Hehe check it out, this is gonna be funny"* - Shot -
You think regular matches are not friendly to newcomers NOW, imagine how it could get with FF on. Even if they implemented some penalty and whatnot, people would make alts, or a different account altogether.
At least if it has its own dedicated mode for it, people will be expecting it and ready for it.
You sir just made my day :D |
Kwik Draw
Traitors Function
10
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:54:00 -
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No. Friendly fire needs to stay off. With clones and this crazy technology, i like to think my suits are engineered to withstand any bullets from out team. Furthermore, sometimes I alert my teammates to danger by shooting them and then shooting in the direction of trouble. This would be a bad idea all around- jus wrap ur head around the fact our suits can tell enemy bullets from ally bullets. |
Spaceman-Rob
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:55:00 -
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No |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
169
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:05:00 -
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LXicon wrote:
I'm all for more FF in games. I do want to see -100 WP for a friendly kill and maybe some audio indicator when your are shooting friendlies. After 5 FF kills, I also think you should get booted from the game with no ISK.
It might also be an idea to bill the TKer for the suits the clones they destroyed and reimburse the victims.
Might also be a good idea for an audio announcement to tell the team that is being TKed to "Take Caution, [INSERT_TKER_CLONES_NAME_HERE] is displaying defective qualities, they should be avoided or decommissioned" though only if they kill more than 1 or 2.
@ZDub 303
I like the idea of paying for your blue kills, though I think it should be more of a fine. TKer pays CONCORD value of blue kill*1.25, CONCORD reimburses victim for 75% of loss (maybe less, something akin to insurance payouts) |
Kwik Draw
Traitors Function
10
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:07:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:LXicon wrote:
I'm all for more FF in games. I do want to see -100 WP for a friendly kill and maybe some audio indicator when your are shooting friendlies. After 5 FF kills, I also think you should get booted from the game with no ISK.
It might also be an idea to bill the TKer for the suits the clones they destroyed and reimburse the victims.
Might also be a good idea for an audio announcement to tell the team that is being TKed to "Take Caution, [INSERT_TKER_CLONES_NAME_HERE] is displaying defective qualities, they should be avoided or decommissioned" though only if they kill more than 1 or 2. @ZDub 303 I like the idea of paying for your blue kills, though I think it should be more of a fine. TKer pays CONCORD value of blue kill*1.25, CONCORD reimburses victim for 75% of loss (maybe less, something akin to insurance payouts)
at MOST it should be a whole new game mode... dont implement it and screw around with the existing ones .
maybe call it Chaos or Traitors Function (like my corp name, join :-* ) |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
169
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:15:00 -
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Kwik Draw wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:LXicon wrote:
I'm all for more FF in games. I do want to see -100 WP for a friendly kill and maybe some audio indicator when your are shooting friendlies. After 5 FF kills, I also think you should get booted from the game with no ISK.
It might also be an idea to bill the TKer for the suits the clones they destroyed and reimburse the victims.
Might also be a good idea for an audio announcement to tell the team that is being TKed to "Take Caution, [INSERT_TKER_CLONES_NAME_HERE] is displaying defective qualities, they should be avoided or decommissioned" though only if they kill more than 1 or 2. @ZDub 303 I like the idea of paying for your blue kills, though I think it should be more of a fine. TKer pays CONCORD value of blue kill*1.25, CONCORD reimburses victim for 75% of loss (maybe less, something akin to insurance payouts) at MOST it should be a whole new game mode... dont implement it and screw around with the existing ones . maybe call it Chaos or Traitors Function (like my corp name, join :-* )
No, I am sick and tired of being killed by spray and pray mouthbreathers who just hold down R1 and run their blob around from reddot to reddot.
No FF is essentially CCP holding your hand so that you can be a mouthbreathing R1 monkey who thinks he is good at FPS and tactics when in reality, you're just good at holding down R1.
Suck it up buttercup, FF is in the spirit of New Eden. |
Eth Runbal
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:20:00 -
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This is a terrible idea for pub matches. Pub matches are already rife with problems without adding an avenue for griefing your own team. |
BRAIN-MATTER-SPLATTERER NEURALGIA
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:21:00 -
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Grow the **** up people.. If a teammate threw a grenade at an enemy 20 feet in front of you & you decided to go over & lay on top of it, that would be solely your fault. Or while someone has eyes on a target & is shooting at them, you wouldn't just commit suicide by being a moronic dumb dumb stepping right in front of a gun dist bursting bullets would you? |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
229
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:27:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:Turn on friendly fire, CCP. Give us consequences for our mistakes in all game modes.
Boy you really know how to stir **** up, don't you.
FF would be bad I would shoot too many dumb blue dots to many times all the time. |
Novas Prime 2100435625
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:28:00 -
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Dusters Blog wrote:We have always supported using CONCORD and other mechanics to provide deterrents for griefing while keeping FF on. EVE is deep. Use the lore whenever possible. It helps with immersion.
Penalties: -100 WP for killing a friendly. This is pretty basic. basic deterrent.
Fines: Kill friendlies in a hi or lo sec match and and see a 10-50M CONCORD fine in your end game screen. still want to team kill? no money? say hello to negative ISK. better deterrent.
CONCORD Bounties: in null sec, have CONCORD take out bounties on griefers in the realm of 10-50M ISK, allow mercs [bounty hunters] to accept these contracts and hire locator agents to follow their bounties into one game. there the targets name will appear in yellow when seen and a portion of the bounty is earned for each time the player is slain, with the full bounty paid out at 5 kills or more. If a TKers bounty is collected he then is subject to a fine by CONCORD. this allows a deterrent but also incentivizes players and allows the playerbase to police TKing to an extent. At the very least it creates a BH profession and allows varies the experience for solo players and slayer types.
Clone Deactivation: the lore supports this. in Templar One T3 malfunctioned and had his clone deactivated. three friendly kills and your clone is automatically deactivated.
Kick or Forgive: kill a player once and get a mulligan. Kill him again in the same game and he gets the option to deactivate your clone.
TKs are another instance where no mcc cmdr and ground platoon leader hurts the game. the officers overseeing the battle would be the ones dealing with treachery or malfunctioning clones.
Love this idea, you could have a whole bounty hunter...kind of...career. Hunting down people with prices on there heads.
FF is a good idea, however COD had quite a good twist on this. Your bullet damage gets reflected back at you, say at 50% of the damage, at least this way, If you absolitely HAVE to kill the &^%^(%^(% AFKer on your team, or the blue berry who keeps stealing your LAV or HAV, you can, at a cost. making you a weaker target to the enemy.
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Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
522
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:31:00 -
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Yes, please. We should have at least the option of playing with FF on at any time we want, not just in PC.
More discussion here. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
481
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:32:00 -
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Yes, just so I can shoot the OP. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
444
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:40:00 -
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No, absolutely not! It's enough to worry about the other team, I don't want to have to worry about some bitter freindly trying to TK me all match because I killed him in the previous match when he was on the other team.
Allowing FF in pub matches would be absolutely devastating for this game. There would be players using alts and all they would do is look for the most expensive thing a freindly has, and try to take them out.
No amount of punishment would mean anything to them. Zero SP? What do they care? They can just use free suits/LAV's till the end of time. |
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