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TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:39:00 -
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Ok lets do something constructive here.
I haven't fully tested the LR, but I'm pretty sure most people that used the LR in Uprising would agree, the LR requires adjustements.
Here are my suggestions/requests:
1- Range: increase the effective range to me a good counter to tac AR. Refer to this post for more discussions on the topic.
2- Overheat: at lower lever the LR is barely usable, it overheats really too fast. I am lvl 5 now and it is not even near the level 1 in chromosone. I would suggest decreasing the heat built up just a little but never at the level of chromosone.
3- Sight: we all know that someday we may be able to change the sight of our weapon, however the actual sight on the LR is not ideal for this type of weapon. I am requesting to change this ASAP. More discussion here.
4- Damage: with the above adjustement I would wait to touch the damage.
5- Variety: ok this is maybe on the dev roadmap, but some LR variety would be nice. There is actually 3 ISK version and 1 AUR. Compared to the 14 AR available (not counting officer AR) this is... sad.  . I would really like to see proficiency variants with longer range, or high damage/high heat built up versions (without going into the scrambler rifles domain of course).
Oh! And please CCP, use a scientific approach by changing one thing at the time and ask some feedback between each. This will avoid QQing from the shielded guys... 
What do you think? |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:02:00 -
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Starne wrote:i think its time we took a new approch to the LR. im thinking that it would be cool to have some high rate of fire LR like the ones that are already in place. but also some that are semi auto that you fire and have a cool down ( like rockets) where you must wait to refire but have the shot be vary damaging and produce high heat biuld up. say 3 to 4 shots in a row before over heating with higher meta levels ( adv, pro) having less heat per shot. and the same if not more range as a tac ar. what do you think?
This could be like a ''breach'' variant. Although it must not fall into the same gameplay as a scrambler rifle.
I've played with the viziam tonight and it can be quite good in some maps. Playing defensive on open areas is nice. I'm playing with 2 complex damage and at prof lvl 3. |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:38:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:If the TAR and the LR have the same range, why would anyone choose it over the TAR? The LR has many major drawbacks (as mentioned above), and if it's no better than the TAR in other ways, it's always going to the ugly stepsister. I'd like to see the LR hit out to 120-130ish with max skills--still many times shorter than a sniper rifle, but great at the mid range and farther than a TAR. The fact that you announce your location for several seconds every time you fire, prevents you from stealing the sniper's thunder, and the weakness at short range limits the weapon's advantage to mid range.
You may be right, but if I was in CCP's shoes, I would rather increase the range equal to the Tac AR first and see what happens. Yesterday I played a match with the Viziam in a defensive fashion and was able to pin down some tac AR users. Maybe they were bad, but one of my heavy corpmate flanked them and did a massacre. It is feasible to achieve something, but with a lot of practice and mostly luck.
Actually, after reconsidering all my OP suggestions, the biggest flaw is the sight and the blue haze. The only way i can track a enemy while ADS is looking at their shield bar. When its going down its because I'm at the right spot...
Haven't used the scrambler rifle yet, it seems that this type of sight would be great for LR. Still keep the blue haze, but a bit reduced in intensity. |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:30:00 -
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Mr. PurpSicle, I agree on almost everything in your post, but I'm not sure about the damage buff. If the LR gets a AGOC sight + a damage buff, i would be afraid that the LR re-become OP. I would strongly suggest CCP to change the sight first and nothing else. Then see what's happening. Even the blue haze I would keep it as a first step.
When I started in Uprising in my basic LR, I was pissed, especially with the heat built up, then I took the chance to put SP up to lvl 5, the difference is HUGE between the lvl 1 and lvl 5. And this is what I like with this weapon. Now when I run with a std LR or the ELM I can do good things but not as much as with the Viziam, which is a killer when used the right way.
My tips while using the LR.
1- keep your distance! You are not effective below 60m.
2- cover, cover, cover! You shine so much with this weapon you need to hide sometimes
3- Aim steady targets first! These guys are snipers or other LR users....the ones that can shoot you at these distances.
4- look at your heat! Not only that you stop firing for a while, you die from it!
5- look for open areas! Find where the enemy are forced to cross an open area, you'll melt their face off!
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TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:11:00 -
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Mr PurpSicle wrote:^
yep were on the same page. the sight needs to be fixed. does the ADS sensitivity seem to low to you. not sure if it's just the KB/M thats just screwed up with it?
True, sensitivity is a bit low and I'm using the DS3. I am guessing that CCP reduced it to avoid the death ray of light that we had in Chromosone. Still, just a little increase in speed wouldn't hurt. I'm gonna test various sentitivity setting with corpmates and see if I can follow runners. |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:43:00 -
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Haven't try the Tac AR, not enough SP to spec into two weapons. All I am saying is that CCP shall change one thing at the time and see the effect of that change, then proceed with another change if required. I do agree that the sight change isn't enought but I suggest they could start from that point.
Your example would mean something if you knew which type of LR the guy was using and how much SP he invested in. With almost no SP in LR and equipped with a std LR, that's is true you can't do much. When we compare the TacAR to LR we shall always compare them with the same SP invested in and using the same metalevel. In fact, right now there is no proficiency level LR, so we can't even trully compare. |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:54:00 -
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Up to the top. |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:25:00 -
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ladwar wrote:nothing needs to be done, clearly TAR needs to be fixed the LR is just fine.
I'm more the type ''buff''. So I would say: the TAR are almost ok, but the laser needs at least a sight. Saying ''just fine'' is a bit below what I think  . Having a prof lvl 1 laser with a nice sight would be amazing. Keep the others as they are. |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.25 23:12:00 -
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So any news from the Dev? |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.27 11:43:00 -
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^ cannot agree more than that gil. |
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TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.28 02:54:00 -
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So [CCP] Remnant, do you have something regarding the LR in your backlog? |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:52:00 -
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Hey bien merci Laurent, je suis content de savoir qu'un membre du CPM soit d'accord que le laser a besoin d'ajustements. Je vais continuer en anglais.
I cannot completely agree with what you've said Laurent. Chromosome LR was OP for sure. I was using the standard LR at that time and was killing more people than with the Viziam with prof lvl 3 now. Of course, the SS was playing a major role in Chromosome.
Hopefully you'll be able to have a chat with CCP Remnant for this weapon... |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:25:00 -
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RoundEy3 wrote:TonYtigr wrote:Hey bien merci Laurent, je suis content de savoir qu'un membre du CPM soit d'accord que le laser a besoin d'ajustements. Je vais continuer en anglais.
I cannot completely agree with what you've said Laurent. Chromosome LR was OP for sure. I was using the standard LR at that time and was killing more people than with the Viziam with prof lvl 3 now. Of course, the SS was playing a major role in Chromosome.
Hopefully you'll be able to have a chat with CCP Remnant for this weapon... I can understand your concern to not over do any changes and turn the LR into an absolute beast, but I'll hazard a guess you were using the Chromosome LR as it was meant to be used. Meaning, you were making sure to engage enemies at it's optimal med. long range where it's damage is at it's best. Any weapon used in it's ideal tactic in adept hands should " APPEAR" to be OP by the target. In that case I wouldn't say the LR was OP, just used properly. Had you done all of your fights up close against shotguns and AR's I'm sure the LR wouldn't seem very OP. My point is right now the LR has no optimal. It doesn't shine where it should, fails everywhere else, and is just out-perforemed by everyother weapon.
Well of course I was using the LR as it meant to be and I'm still using it as before. The only difference is that I have proficiency level 3 now, the viziam and 2 complex damage modifier to get the same results that I had with the std LR in chromosome ( was lvl 3 with no complex damage). Now in the best games I may do 17/5 with my 150k ISK setup... In chromosome It was 15k ISK. This is why I'm saying it was OP in Chromosome. I really feel that now we are close to have a fair weapon when compared with equal meta level weapon in their respective area of excellence. To me, to compete against the TAR, which is its direct opponent, the LR requires:
1- a usable sight
2- a slight increase in range
3- a slight decrease in heat build up.
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TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:46:00 -
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Do you put some point into Amaar assault dropsuit? This would give you some heat built up reduction.
Have you used the LR during Chromosome?
How did you found the sight while ADS? |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.06.05 03:40:00 -
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What's wrong Green? You just saw a LR in a game?  |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.06.05 03:52:00 -
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Well.. I converted myself to the MD (I may be stupid or looking for challenges). Anyway, I burn two mercs with my Viziam tonight, it was still nice. I was feeling like a blind, shooting anywhere and waiting until I hear the sound of burning armor plates, telling me I'm on the right spot. |
TonYtigr
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:09:00 -
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martinofski wrote:Great, it's in the Dev weekly feedback/suggestion topic.
Link please
Edit: forget it.... Found
Great news |
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