DUST Search - The Dropship situation.

gbghg wrote:

ER-Bullitt wrote:

gbghg wrote:

Obodiah Garro wrote:

Dropships can be a pain in the ass to shoot down with swarms and if it is equipped with afterburners they are invincible. Using a proto swarm I could only put a little dent into a python and usually by the time my second swarm is in the air he is already gone.

Just don't expect to hover in 1 place and let your gunner mow down everybody in the area with immunity and you will be fine.

Swarms aren't the problem, they're actually balanced quite well against dropships, against most vehicles actually. Forge and railguns and RDV's are the problem.

As of late I have been an avid forge gunner. Recently learned to fly a dropship, and having flown choppers in BF3 I always like to fly in these types of games. I understand the plight of the dropship pilots, but I read alot about "forge gun OP this, railgun OP that"...

Lets put this into perspective...

I am running about the battlefield in my 200k isk Proto Heavy Suit looking for trouble.... I decide to cross the field to the other objective, but a sniper picks me off with an advanced tactical sniper rifle, 3 shots, dead (probably a headshot or two, not hard for a seasoned sniper to pull off on a heavy). Ladies and gentlmen, I just met the scissor to my paper. A measly 4-5k isk sniper rifle just took out my 200,000 suit.

Now lets transfer that over to dropship...

I am flying about the battlefield in my 600k isk Dropship looking for trouble... I decide to fly into the combat zone to blow up some red dots, but a Forge Gun sniper picks me off with an advanced forge gun, 2 shots, dead, not hard for a seasoned forge gun sniper to pull off on a slow moving dropship). Ladies and gentlemen, I just met the scissor to my paper. A measly 10-20k forge gun just took out my 600,000 dropship.

These two scenarios are very similar, so why arent people calling for a BUFF MY SUIT SO NO LOLSNIPERS CAN KILL ME SO FAST GARRGG!

What is the solution.... start communicating with your team. If you dont have a team, form one.. otherwise there will be no rock to crush that scissor.

Got a forge gun up on a roof somewhere? Get your sniper buddy to take him out. Have your dropship out of his line of sight, have your buddy let you know when he is down, head over in your DS and take out his uplink, keep it moving. Railgun Tank on the field, have your buddies take out the tank. They will both come back, be prepared, do it again. If I get sniped in my heavy suit.. am I going to keep charging accross the field towards the sniper so he can keep killing me? No I am going to switch tactics and go take him out .. and if I cant do it, I will ask my squad for help.

Oh whats that? You are a lone wolf dropship pilot who wants to fly around Pub matches pwning face by yourself all day from the safety of your dropship.... awww, BF3 is that way ------------->

NOt saying Dropships dont need attention... but come on guys use your brains out there. If you expect CCP to buff dropships to the point where they have no counter you are daydreaming.

The counter to your argument is this, as a heavy you have a chance to actually tank to some degree, so does a dropship, so we're equal in that scenario. Where we differ however is that you get a chance to save your suit if a friendly medic is nearby, dropships don't, but that's one of the benefits of being infantry.

Another of the benefits of being infantry is that if your running for cover and get hit by a round traveling in excess of 7000m/s you hardly even flinch, whereas in a dropship we get thrown in an often fatal half spin.

And do you want to know the most common situation I run into these days, redline tanks, they park on an incline and they can literally shoot from almost redline to redline on some maps, they can also hit targets all the way up to the flight ceiling. And seeing how a forge gun has a 300m range, and the flight ceiling is only 500m high, a forge gunner on any elevated position can hit a dropship almost anywhere it tries to go.

And here's something, often when a forge gunner gets on a high position like a tower, a teammate will put drop uplinks down, you see this a lot in PC battles, and these uplinks are often placed somewhere the sniper can't see, so a dropship has to be used to either kill the uplink or get the sniper into a position where he can.

The current forge/railgun/dropship balance is so ludicrous right now it's at the stage where it isn't even a case of Rock Paper Scissors anymore, things are so bad that paper has said "to hell with it" and decided not to even exist anymore.


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ER-Bullitt Elements Of Death Elite 5	Posted - 2013.06.06 21:29:00 - [1] - Quote gbghg wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Dropships can be a pain in the ass to shoot down with swarms and if it is equipped with afterburners they are invincible. Using a proto swarm I could only put a little dent into a python and usually by the time my second swarm is in the air he is already gone. Just don't expect to hover in 1 place and let your gunner mow down everybody in the area with immunity and you will be fine. Swarms aren't the problem, they're actually balanced quite well against dropships, against most vehicles actually. Forge and railguns and RDV's are the problem. As of late I have been an avid forge gunner. Recently learned to fly a dropship, and having flown choppers in BF3 I always like to fly in these types of games. I understand the plight of the dropship pilots, but I read alot about "forge gun OP this, railgun OP that"... Lets put this into perspective... I am running about the battlefield in my 200k isk Proto Heavy Suit looking for trouble.... I decide to cross the field to the other objective, but a sniper picks me off with an advanced tactical sniper rifle, 3 shots, dead (probably a headshot or two, not hard for a seasoned sniper to pull off on a heavy). Ladies and gentlmen, I just met the scissor to my paper. A measly 4-5k isk sniper rifle just took out my 200,000 suit. Now lets transfer that over to dropship... I am flying about the battlefield in my 600k isk Dropship looking for trouble... I decide to fly into the combat zone to blow up some red dots, but a Forge Gun sniper picks me off with an advanced forge gun, 2 shots, dead, not hard for a seasoned forge gun sniper to pull off on a slow moving dropship). Ladies and gentlemen, I just met the scissor to my paper. A measly 10-20k forge gun just took out my 600,000 dropship. These two scenarios are very similar, so why arent people calling for a BUFF MY SUIT SO NO LOLSNIPERS CAN KILL ME SO FAST GARRGG! What is the solution.... start communicating with your team. If you dont have a team, form one.. otherwise there will be no rock to crush that scissor. Got a forge gun up on a roof somewhere? Get your sniper buddy to take him out. Have your dropship out of his line of sight, have your buddy let you know when he is down, head over in your DS and take out his uplink, keep it moving. Railgun Tank on the field, have your buddies take out the tank. They will both come back, be prepared, do it again. If I get sniped in my heavy suit.. am I going to keep charging accross the field towards the sniper so he can keep killing me? No I am going to switch tactics and go take him out .. and if I cant do it, I will ask my squad for help. Oh whats that? You are a lone wolf dropship pilot who wants to fly around Pub matches pwning face by yourself all day from the safety of your dropship.... awww, BF3 is that way -------------> NOt saying Dropships dont need attention... but come on guys use your brains out there. If you expect CCP to buff dropships to the point where they have no counter you are daydreaming.
ER-Bullitt Elements Of Death Elite 5	Posted - 2013.06.07 16:03:00 - [2] - Quote gbghg wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: gbghg wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Dropships can be a pain in the ass to shoot down with swarms and if it is equipped with afterburners they are invincible. Using a proto swarm I could only put a little dent into a python and usually by the time my second swarm is in the air he is already gone. Just don't expect to hover in 1 place and let your gunner mow down everybody in the area with immunity and you will be fine. Swarms aren't the problem, they're actually balanced quite well against dropships, against most vehicles actually. Forge and railguns and RDV's are the problem. As of late I have been an avid forge gunner. Recently learned to fly a dropship, and having flown choppers in BF3 I always like to fly in these types of games. I understand the plight of the dropship pilots, but I read alot about "forge gun OP this, railgun OP that"... Lets put this into perspective... I am running about the battlefield in my 200k isk Proto Heavy Suit looking for trouble.... I decide to cross the field to the other objective, but a sniper picks me off with an advanced tactical sniper rifle, 3 shots, dead (probably a headshot or two, not hard for a seasoned sniper to pull off on a heavy). Ladies and gentlmen, I just met the scissor to my paper. A measly 4-5k isk sniper rifle just took out my 200,000 suit. Now lets transfer that over to dropship... I am flying about the battlefield in my 600k isk Dropship looking for trouble... I decide to fly into the combat zone to blow up some red dots, but a Forge Gun sniper picks me off with an advanced forge gun, 2 shots, dead, not hard for a seasoned forge gun sniper to pull off on a slow moving dropship). Ladies and gentlemen, I just met the scissor to my paper. A measly 10-20k forge gun just took out my 600,000 dropship. These two scenarios are very similar, so why arent people calling for a BUFF MY SUIT SO NO LOLSNIPERS CAN KILL ME SO FAST GARRGG! What is the solution.... start communicating with your team. If you dont have a team, form one.. otherwise there will be no rock to crush that scissor. Got a forge gun up on a roof somewhere? Get your sniper buddy to take him out. Have your dropship out of his line of sight, have your buddy let you know when he is down, head over in your DS and take out his uplink, keep it moving. Railgun Tank on the field, have your buddies take out the tank. They will both come back, be prepared, do it again. If I get sniped in my heavy suit.. am I going to keep charging accross the field towards the sniper so he can keep killing me? No I am going to switch tactics and go take him out .. and if I cant do it, I will ask my squad for help. Oh whats that? You are a lone wolf dropship pilot who wants to fly around Pub matches pwning face by yourself all day from the safety of your dropship.... awww, BF3 is that way -------------> NOt saying Dropships dont need attention... but come on guys use your brains out there. If you expect CCP to buff dropships to the point where they have no counter you are daydreaming. The counter to your argument is this, as a heavy you have a chance to actually tank to some degree, so does a dropship, so we're equal in that scenario. Where we differ however is that you get a chance to save your suit if a friendly medic is nearby, dropships don't, but that's one of the benefits of being infantry. Another of the benefits of being infantry is that if your running for cover and get hit by a round traveling in excess of 7000m/s you hardly even flinch, whereas in a dropship we get thrown in an often fatal half spin. And do you want to know the most common situation I run into these days, redline tanks, they park on an incline and they can literally shoot from almost redline to redline on some maps, they can also hit targets all the way up to the flight ceiling. And seeing how a forge gun has a 300m range, and the flight ceiling is only 500m high, a forge gunner on any elevated position can hit a dropship almost anywhere it tries to go. And here's something, often when a forge gunner gets on a high position like a tower, a teammate will put drop uplinks down, you see this a lot in PC battles, and these uplinks are often placed somewhere the sniper can't see, so a dropship has to be used to either kill the uplink or get the sniper into a position where he can. The current forge/railgun/dropship balance is so ludicrous right now it's at the stage where it isn't even a case of Rock Paper Scissors anymore, things are so bad that paper has said "to hell with it" and decided not to even exist anymore. Yup, I am one of those dropship > elevated position > uplink > respawn proto forge type of guys. Dont even need a teammate to help, i can setup my own nest. Its profitable and somewhat enjoyable, helps the team win, and I dont have to worry about bunny hopping scout shotguners, mod controlled tac AR's, or murder taxi's on the ground anymore. Its my lazy way of playing Pub matches, and my last corp wanted me doing it in PC so yeah thats it. but, now that I have a taste for Dropships.. I will respec 100% to assault DS... and fly around until The Last of Us comes out next week. Hope I get my respec in time. Some of the maps with high buildings have few locations that a sniper can counter... and when coordinated with a hiding dropship, it is feasable to get infantry on the uplink to destroy it before the forge gunner can respawn after being killed by a good sniper. Not the best solution, but something. Redline tanks, yeah nothing to say to counter your point there. Between that an invisible RDVs destroying your DS I can see where the frustration comes from. Ah well, bring it on Im bored and need to burn the rest of my moneys