DUST Search - Starter LAVs need to GO

xxMemphis wrote:

The Murder Taxi has gotten way out of hand! They desperately need to lower the HP on the free one to where it is pointless to use it as anything more than a way to get to a letter....if you hit something head on it should blow up....so sick of free suit and free LAV players just driving around the whole match playing bumper cars. I have to equip AV nades for the LAV users on all my suits....forget tanks who is afraid of those its the LAV that comes out of no where to run you over every 10 secs that is dumb.

Just yesterday...I am hacking a supply depot...guy comes flying in on his free LAV...hits me (kill #1) backs up and runs over the other guy who finished the hack (kill #2, also second head on collision with the supply depot)....drives away through the middle of the letter area (kill #3)...hits the wall (#3 collision)...gets hit with Hacked EXO-Nade (#1 die).....respawns starts taxi service again...finished the game 15-3 100% profit game I bet he never fired a shot....granted my team could have avoid a few of those deaths likely but really at least make him pay the 19,000 AUR for that free LAV.

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Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1296	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:00:00 - [1] - Quote 2000 EHP Starter LAVs? Who's decision was this and why? Plasma Cannon is DOA and now it's going to take 2+ Standard Swarm Launcher volleys to take out even the most rudimentary (militia) LAVs This wouldn't be a problem IF THEY WEREN'T ****ING FREE!
Aran Abbas Goonfeet 15	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:15:00 - [2] - Quote You're probably right, but they won't be removed until they introduce a free hoverbike class or something.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 716	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:16:00 - [3] - Quote -1
JX1 Goonfeet 18	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:20:00 - [4] - Quote I would gladly take a 1.5 seat hoverbike in exchange, now that my free LAV blaster cannon got nerfed to shreds. (Deservingly so I guess, with how I'd mow people down by parking next to a CRU)
Appia Vibbia Opus Arcana Orion Empire 36	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:50:00 - [5] - Quote but without the free LAV, nobody would spam them. That just wouldn't be the same game, I mean, it would probably make it fun
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 124	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:57:00 - [6] - Quote don't see the point to remove them they are giving away bpo's of them which will do the same thing.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 897	Posted - 2013.05.14 15:01:00 - [7] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: but without the free LAV, nobody would spam them. That just wouldn't be the same game, I mean, it would probably make it fun I don't want to see the free LAVs go away, but any unmodified militia LAV should be mincemeat to even a Standard Swarm Launcher. Obviously, as you go up the totem pole that changes, but the free ones should be paper.
Frecki The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.05.14 15:08:00 - [8] - Quote I'm just gonna say yes to this I 100% agree.
Pombe Geek Red Star. EoN. 65	Posted - 2013.05.14 15:39:00 - [9] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: but without the free LAV, nobody would spam them. That just wouldn't be the same game, I mean, it would probably make it fun I don't want to see the free LAVs go away, but any unmodified militia LAV should be mincemeat to even a Standard Swarm Launcher. Obviously, as you go up the totem pole that changes, but the free ones should be paper. I just don't understand the rational behind letting someone call in a free LAV with increased HP that can still murder taxi me even if I try to defend myself with AV nades. Free LAV's should be destroyed by 1 AV nade. If you've invested SP into LAVs then I'm all for it taking me a couple AV nades to destroy your ride.
Charizard Zakalwe Goonfeet 44	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:05:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah, the militia LAV's should get nerfed back to ** because they're ***** free. 2000ehp is a joke ccp what gives

xxMemphis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:19:00 - [11] - Quote The Murder Taxi has gotten way out of hand! They desperately need to lower the HP on the free one to where it is pointless to use it as anything more than a way to get to a letter....if you hit something head on it should blow up....so sick of free suit and free LAV players just driving around the whole match playing bumper cars. I have to equip AV nades for the LAV users on all my suits....forget tanks who is afraid of those its the LAV that comes out of no where to run you over every 10 secs that is dumb. Just yesterday...I am hacking a supply depot...guy comes flying in on his free LAV...hits me (kill #1) backs up and runs over the other guy who finished the hack (kill #2, also second head on collision with the supply depot)....drives away through the middle of the letter area (kill #3)...hits the wall (#3 collision)...gets hit with Hacked EXO-Nade (#1 die).....respawns starts taxi service again...finished the game 15-3 100% profit game I bet he never fired a shot....granted my team could have avoid a few of those deaths likely but really at least make him pay the 19,000 AUR for that free LAV.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1086	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:22:00 - [12] - Quote Remove all Starter Fits, give each player a Medium of their starter race and it's respective automatic assault Rifle. so example: Gallente Militia Medium Frame Gallente Militia Assault Rifle No slots apart from the Light Weapon slot. Only then will I agree to remove the LAV, you specialized Infantry players have viable free fits, specialized Vehicle players do not.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1634	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:27:00 - [13] - Quote Free vehicles should be removed from the game, they devalue all other transport vehicles like dropships and LAV's. not to mention it completely removes the point if having the militia LAV's on the market if everyone gets a free BPO one.
Shady IceCream Truck Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.05.14 20:27:00 - [14] - Quote xxMemphis wrote: The Murder Taxi has gotten way out of hand! They desperately need to lower the HP on the free one to where it is pointless to use it as anything more than a way to get to a letter....if you hit something head on it should blow up....so sick of free suit and free LAV players just driving around the whole match playing bumper cars. I have to equip AV nades for the LAV users on all my suits....forget tanks who is afraid of those its the LAV that comes out of no where to run you over every 10 secs that is dumb. Just yesterday...I am hacking a supply depot...guy comes flying in on his free LAV...hits me (kill #1) backs up and runs over the other guy who finished the hack (kill #2, also second head on collision with the supply depot)....drives away through the middle of the letter area (kill #3)...hits the wall (#3 collision)...gets hit with Hacked EXO-Nade (#1 die).....respawns starts taxi service again...finished the game 15-3 100% profit game I bet he never fired a shot....granted my team could have avoid a few of those deaths likely but really at least make him pay the 19,000 AUR for that free LAV. YES I HAVE and WILL.. I stay out of hand .. you cant stop this I am the greatest that ever lived.. again PS: that was ME lol.. no really that was me
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 167	Posted - 2013.05.14 23:10:00 - [15] - Quote +1 to this.
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Unclaimed. 226	Posted - 2013.05.14 23:16:00 - [16] - Quote I get too many points by blowing these things up with my basic AV nades as they drive past me. Besides, players need a way to understand that you can use vehicles in this game. Hardly anyone ever just specializes into LAV's.
CharCharOdell Ametat Security Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2013.05.14 23:21:00 - [17] - Quote +1
Rowley Pup Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2013.05.14 23:26:00 - [18] - Quote +1 If you want to test drive vehicles, there are a plethora of Militia vehicles and fittings available. If someone wants to drive a vehicle, they should take the time to learn how they work by diving into the fitting system and market. Doing this should help a potential vehicle user choose the right skills and realize how expensive driving a vehicle can be, before spending a huge pile of SP into the specialization.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1313	Posted - 2013.05.15 07:20:00 - [19] - Quote I just want to know who's ******* idea it was to buff them up 60% HP - WHY WAS THAT NECESSARY? Hell, now it's easier to just shoot them out of the damned things than it is to try and kill the LAV in the first place. I mean, FFS a Prototype Swarm Launcher does 1,800 damage and it -still- couldn't kill these things without some damage mods attached. Even then, it -COSTS EXTENSIVE AMOUNTS OF SP/ISK- where as the Starter LAV costs -NOTHING-
Still blazn Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 13	Posted - 2013.05.15 07:47:00 - [20] - Quote I think this is the "i just lost my free Hacked AV " grenade thread... The swarms are free.. but I guess youd have to lay down that AR for one second? lols TOO BAD Just saying.. Maybe you should BUY a FREE Swarm launcher/ Plasma launcher/ Forge Gun.. or damn i guess you could actually spec grenades if you want your EZ button back? You know some of us actually spend points on this stuff, even though we could easily go full AR and get 40 kills a game and be your daddy... I think you mad that AR's cant take down a jeep anymore? cry moar.. see if you can nerf this game into the ground, Id say 1 or 2 more stealth nerfs outta just do it... Or possibly you should stop your nerf threads, that cause these game ending imbalances to occur in the first place??? ...and maybe People like this ShadyIcecreamTruck guy wont feel the need to drive over you?

Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1314	Posted - 2013.05.15 08:07:00 - [21] - Quote Still blazn wrote: I think this is the "i just lost my free Hacked AV " grenade thread... The swarms are free.. but I guess youd have to lay down that AR for one second? lols TOO BAD Just saying.. Maybe you should BUY a FREE Swarm launcher/ Plasma launcher/ Forge Gun.. or damn i guess you could actually spec grenades if you want your EZ button back? You know some of us actually spend points on this stuff, even though we could easily go full AR and get 40 kills a game and be your daddy... Now theres 1 gun that cant down a jeep right away.. AN AR.. and listen to all this :(.. PATHETIC I think you mad that AR's cant take down a jeep anymore? cry moar.. see if you can nerf this game into the ground, Id say 1 or 2 more stealth nerfs outta just do it... Or possibly you should stop your nerf threads, that cause these game ending imbalances to occur in the first place??? ...and maybe People like this ShadyIcecreamTruck guy wont feel the need to drive over you? A.) Troll harder. B.) Only the Swarm Launcher is free and even then it's a starter weapon. C.) This thread was made in response to the 60% increase to the starter LAV HP. D.) I use the Plasma Cannon, it's worthless against anything besides Infantry.
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 58	Posted - 2013.05.15 08:15:00 - [22] - Quote A.) Troll harder. B.) Only the Swarm Launcher is free and even then it's a starter weapon. C.) This thread was made in response to the 60% increase to the starter LAV HP. D.) I use the Plasma Cannon, it's worthless against anything besides Infantry.[/quote] So how many free ways to take out a jeep do you need? It only takes 1 shot to down them.... Its clear they gave the jeeps a lil something extra to resist small arms fire.. ie: AR's Its not a very useful tool on the field if 3 expensive suits jump into a jeep then die at the hands of some nerf happy AR, while on the way to deploy at a base.. And since you speccd into a plasma cannon , i would think it would make sense that you wouldnt want every AR on the field taking out your targets? assuming your gun worked which is a totally different topic... Whos side are you ON?
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 395	Posted - 2013.05.15 08:23:00 - [23] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: So how many free ways to take out a jeep do you need? It only takes 1 shot to down them.... Its clear they gave the jeeps a lil something extra to resist small arms fire.. ie: AR's Its not a very useful tool on the field if 3 expensive suits jump into a jeep then die at the hands of some nerf happy AR, while on the way to deploy at a base.. And since you speccd into a plasma cannon , i would think it would make sense that you wouldnt want every AR on the field taking out your targets? assuming your gun worked which is a totally different topic... Whos side are you ON? What? 1 shot? No. Not after the buff. And what are you rambling about AR's? Free LAV's should not have that much HP. period. As said, if you put SP in your LAV's then they should be more resistant but not free ones.
Shady IceCream Truck Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.05.15 08:27:00 - [24] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: So how many free ways to take out a jeep do you need? It only takes 1 shot to down them.... Its clear they gave the jeeps a lil something extra to resist small arms fire.. ie: AR's Its not a very useful tool on the field if 3 expensive suits jump into a jeep then die at the hands of some nerf happy AR, while on the way to deploy at a base.. And since you speccd into a plasma cannon , i would think it would make sense that you wouldnt want every AR on the field taking out your targets? assuming your gun worked which is a totally different topic... Whos side are you ON? What? 1 shot? No. Not after the buff. And what are you rambling about AR's? Free LAV's should not have that much HP. period. As said, if you put SP in your LAV's then they should be more resistant but not free ones. You mad bra??? Shady"S tasty IceCream Truck gets splattered with just 1 starter swarm EVERY time.. so keep telilng lies to the public AR BOI
Wolfica Planetary Response Organization 7	Posted - 2013.05.15 08:29:00 - [25] - Quote but what would we use for all our LAV races that we have with our selves here in pro?
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1314	Posted - 2013.05.15 08:30:00 - [26] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: A.) Troll harder. B.) Only the Swarm Launcher is free and even then it's a starter weapon. C.) This thread was made in response to the 60% increase to the starter LAV HP. D.) I use the Plasma Cannon, it's worthless against anything besides Infantry. So how many free ways to take out a jeep do you need? It only takes 1 shot to down them.... Its clear they gave the jeeps a lil something extra to resist small arms fire.. ie: AR's Its not a very useful tool on the field if 3 expensive suits jump into a jeep then die at the hands of some nerf happy AR, while on the way to deploy at a base.. And since you speccd into a plasma cannon , i would think it would make sense that you wouldnt want every AR on the field taking out your targets? assuming your gun worked which is a totally different topic... Whos side are you ON?[/quote] You're definitely too high to play this game, that much if for sure, but I'll go ahead and explain something real fast: Have you -SEEN- the starter LAVs HP values? 1580 armor and 410 shields on mine. That's absolute bullshit. A militia Swarm Launcher does 1,200 damage and that's -IF- all of the missiles hit. So now that your logi has been defeated, I'll defeat your next argument: Assault Rifles do 10% (last I checked) efficiency to vehicles. That means that out of the 78 damage a Duvolle Tactical puts out, each bullet only does 7.8 damage. Meaning that if all 30 rounds are fired, you're dishing out 234 damage total. Not nearly enough to even get through it's shields. Now, shooting a player out of an LAV is a completely different story but I'll point out two things: A.) It's insanely difficult B.) It's not what this topic is about. Go home Dust Merc. You're drunk.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1314	Posted - 2013.05.15 08:31:00 - [27] - Quote Shady IceCream Truck wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: So how many free ways to take out a jeep do you need? It only takes 1 shot to down them.... Its clear they gave the jeeps a lil something extra to resist small arms fire.. ie: AR's Its not a very useful tool on the field if 3 expensive suits jump into a jeep then die at the hands of some nerf happy AR, while on the way to deploy at a base.. And since you speccd into a plasma cannon , i would think it would make sense that you wouldnt want every AR on the field taking out your targets? assuming your gun worked which is a totally different topic... Whos side are you ON? What? 1 shot? No. Not after the buff. And what are you rambling about AR's? Free LAV's should not have that much HP. period. As said, if you put SP in your LAV's then they should be more resistant but not free ones. You mad bra??? Shady"S tasty IceCream Truck gets splattered with just 1 starter swarm EVERY time.. so keep telilng lies to the public AR BOI If that's the case, you need to stop hitting walls.
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 58	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:15:00 - [28] - Quote Well im gonna assume your #'s are correct, and the swarm has less damage than is necessary etc.. I can tell you from personal exp. that 1 swarm launcher can and almost always DOES take out a starter jeep.. Maybe the numbers arent telling the whole story.. If you played the game you would know this..
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 58	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:36:00 - [29] - Quote [quote=Smoky The Bear]Well im gonna assume your #'s are correct, and the swarm has less damage than is necessary etc.. I can tell you from personal exp. that 1 swarm launcher can and almost always DOES take out a starter jeep.. Maybe the numbers arent telling the whole story.. or maybe you will have to take 2 shots to kill 3 men in a jeep? free shots? And WHY THE HELL did you post a bunch of stats on a Duovolle vs Jeep? AR's are NOT supposed to take out vehicles.. I think maybe you should get real high and do Kegstands if you wanna operate at this level of proficiency.. If you were in the jeep, or shooting the swarms you would know this.. clearly you are doing neither, judging on your in depth analysis of the AR vs. Jeep argument..
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1315	Posted - 2013.05.15 09:50:00 - [30] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Well im gonna assume your #'s are correct, and the swarm has less damage than is necessary etc.. I can tell you from personal exp. that 1 swarm launcher can and almost always DOES take out a starter jeep.. Maybe the numbers arent telling the whole story.. If you played the game you would know this.. I have used both and I have used the Swarm Launcher very recently up until the Plasma Cannon came out. So, let's do the math since you're obviously deficient at actually looking up the information to verify it yourself. Standard Swarm Launcher Damage: 330 x 4 = 1,320 (assuming all missiles hit) Starter LAV (Baloch) Armor/Shield = 1520+416 = 1,936 1,936 - 1,320 = 616 Math is right there for you dude. It doesn't get much more simple than that.



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