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Vallud Eadesso
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:29:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based.
You know if this game ended up being basically ArmA in the EVE universe I would have sh*t my pants with glee. That would be truly amazing. |
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:34:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. Cod high health? Wtf. I get killed by 1 knife to the foot... Or 1 snipe to the arm... :( Although i agree.. Cod is a twitch shooter.
To be fair to it, while CoD is FAR from realistic... in real life if you got "One sniped in the arm" as you put it, you WOULD be down and out of the fight for the WHOLE fight and would probably spend the next 2 weeks in a field hospital where you MAY have your arm saved by a skilled surgeon.
One "Knife to the foot" would have you curled up on the floor screaming for a medic who'd have to stretcher you away because you couldn't walk properly. I don't know where people get this idea that they're some kind of super hero. The most minor of injuries puts soliders out of action for weeks. This is before they get injured in combat.
Yeah not so great for an action themed video game, but you WOULD be down eithr either of those injuries. If you want to see how it effects a game, ArmA with a mod called ACE will give you that. You'll need earplugs for heavy weapons, be aware of rocket back-blast. Worry about suppression fire, pain, bleeding, passing out from blood loss, carrying too much stuff. On paper it sounds so tedious, when it comes to playing it though, it's actually really enjoyable.
But then I like flight sims so maybe i'm just a sad old man ;) |
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:39:00 -
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ladwar wrote:hooc order wrote:I should also point out range effects weather a game is twitch and gank...again.
CoD maps are small less long range gun fights - twitch and gank
BF3 large maps big range - less twitch and gank
Arma - HUGE maps, huge range - not twtich and gank
Dust - big maps, very very very short range weapons - game has been relegated to CQC which is all twitch and gank. this and CoD is not high health.
Cod may not have high health pools, but it makes up for it with a pace of gameplay only someone with SEVERE ADD could enjoy. High health pools lead to recklessness, just look at proto suits here. In CoD, they replace the high health pool with a near instant respawn, meaning people are still reckless because there is no down time before deaths.
It has such a NARROW skill range that game play comes down to 90% luck and winning more so. Hope to christ we never go there with Dust.
Dust DOES have high health pools. INCREDIBLY high health pools. Massive shield barriers, then an armour layer to get through. If you're using a standard fit you simply cannot get through that in one magazine. God help the newbies tomorrow. |
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:04:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Sorry, but I very much disagree with the OPs logic. It's actually low hp games that tend towards twitch gameplay because it just becomes a game of who saw who first, or who was quicker on the draw (the definition of twitch). When you have higher hp, you have time to react to someone attacking you. You can take cover, then maybe retreat and lead them into a pack of allies. It leads to more strategic and thoughtful gameplay.
Every played ArmA2\3 online? And I mean ArmA not that DayZ shite. It's nothing like this at all. The game is very methodical, guns don't use absolutely stupid cone of fire like this and CoD and their ilk and use real life ballistics (Where the barrel points is where the bullet goes) and instead your accuracy is effected by stance and stamina causing the gun to wobble slightly in your grip.
The average map for ArmA2\3 is 25KM Square (Yes that Kilometers). The average engagement is between 300 and 500 meters. A squad of 12 men usually only has one marksmen so there is little accurate fire. The reason firefights take place at this range? No one wants to get closer because 1 bullet is all it takes. And actually LANDING a shot at 300+ is actually kinda hard! Especially when you're out of breath and constantly having to duck back into cover. So firefights get dragged out with lots of suppression and flanking. I can't just get up and charge forward through the hail of gunfire to closer cover, or get up and run away to 'lure them out' (Which they wouldn't by the way, they'd just ignore you and suppress your location so you couldn't DO anything) because all it needs is ONE bullet to graze me. 12 guys firing full auto in my direction is going to make me keep my head down.
Your assessment is very very wrong but I strongly urge you to play ArmA3. Truly incredible gameplay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_TsLYW_oPg If Dust had ended up like this. I'd have been an incredibly happy man. |
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