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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:22:00 -
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Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. |
Grim Gaige
R.I.f.t Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:32:00 -
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Worst. troll. ever. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:33:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based.
Really? I always get camped by people sitting in their scout helicopter spawn trapping us, and snipers who shoot you from afar... In CoD I can always retaliate, but sometimes in BF3 I am literally trapped by a scout helicopter camping our base... |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:34:00 -
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gosh you are so dumb |
Failonius
Quantum Degeneracy
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:36:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. Really? I always get camped by people sitting in their scout helicopter spawn trapping us, and snipers who shoot you from afar... In CoD I can always retaliate, but sometimes in BF3 I am literally trapped by a scout helicopter camping our base...
I rarely have that problem when playing with my platoon. Maybe you're lone wolfing too much. |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:41:00 -
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This is one of the worst comparisons I've seen, but just for fun how does halo fit into this. It by far has the most health and is the least "twitchy/ganky" (besides arma I suppose). |
56 truth
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:43:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. you know ArmA is a military simulation "game" right? even with the mods like dayz.... |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:51:00 -
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there are many ways to battle in this game. ever play mag? what would you place that under? |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:07:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. Really? I always get camped by people sitting in their scout helicopter spawn trapping us, and snipers who shoot you from afar... In CoD I can always retaliate, but sometimes in BF3 I am literally trapped by a scout helicopter camping our base...
What part of retaliate is not twitch?
"Someone is shooting me...i know i will jump left then strafe right and fire back"
Can't get more twtichy then that, and you can't do that if the first few shots kill you before you can react.
If you want methodical strategic team based game play then you have to have game mechanics that reward that...not mechanics that reward running, hopping and zig zaging around in the open. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:14:00 -
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I should also point out range effects weather a game is twitch and gank...again.
CoD maps are small less long range gun fights - twitch and gank
BF3 large maps big range - less twitch and gank
Arma - HUGE maps, huge range - not twtich and gank
Dust - big maps, very very very short range weapons - game has been relegated to CQC which is all twitch and gank. |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:17:00 -
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56 truth wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. you know ArmA is a military simulation "game" right? even with the mods like dayz....
I still think that Dust would be best off as some twisted lovechild of ArmA and Eve. I've always wanted it to be more like that, Sci-Fi Military Sim set 20k years in the future. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
565
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:26:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. Cod high health? Wtf. I get killed by 1 knife to the foot... Or 1 snipe to the arm... :(
Although i agree.. Cod is a twitch shooter. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:29:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based.
You know if this game ended up being basically ArmA in the EVE universe I would have sh*t my pants with glee. That would be truly amazing. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:34:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:56 truth wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. you know ArmA is a military simulation "game" right? even with the mods like dayz.... I still think that Dust would be best off as some twisted lovechild of ArmA and Eve. I've always wanted it to be more like that, Sci-Fi Military Sim set 20k years in the future.
You've played arma? *You thought she hated FPS* I never presume a ladies intentions! How dare you! *we are you dude..* |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:34:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. Cod high health? Wtf. I get killed by 1 knife to the foot... Or 1 snipe to the arm... :( Although i agree.. Cod is a twitch shooter.
To be fair to it, while CoD is FAR from realistic... in real life if you got "One sniped in the arm" as you put it, you WOULD be down and out of the fight for the WHOLE fight and would probably spend the next 2 weeks in a field hospital where you MAY have your arm saved by a skilled surgeon.
One "Knife to the foot" would have you curled up on the floor screaming for a medic who'd have to stretcher you away because you couldn't walk properly. I don't know where people get this idea that they're some kind of super hero. The most minor of injuries puts soliders out of action for weeks. This is before they get injured in combat.
Yeah not so great for an action themed video game, but you WOULD be down eithr either of those injuries. If you want to see how it effects a game, ArmA with a mod called ACE will give you that. You'll need earplugs for heavy weapons, be aware of rocket back-blast. Worry about suppression fire, pain, bleeding, passing out from blood loss, carrying too much stuff. On paper it sounds so tedious, when it comes to playing it though, it's actually really enjoyable.
But then I like flight sims so maybe i'm just a sad old man ;) |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:35:00 -
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hooc order wrote:I should also point out range effects weather a game is twitch and gank...again.
CoD maps are small less long range gun fights - twitch and gank
BF3 large maps big range - less twitch and gank
Arma - HUGE maps, huge range - not twtich and gank
Dust - big maps, very very very short range weapons - game has been relegated to CQC which is all twitch and gank. this and CoD is not high health. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:39:00 -
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ladwar wrote:hooc order wrote:I should also point out range effects weather a game is twitch and gank...again.
CoD maps are small less long range gun fights - twitch and gank
BF3 large maps big range - less twitch and gank
Arma - HUGE maps, huge range - not twtich and gank
Dust - big maps, very very very short range weapons - game has been relegated to CQC which is all twitch and gank. this and CoD is not high health.
Cod may not have high health pools, but it makes up for it with a pace of gameplay only someone with SEVERE ADD could enjoy. High health pools lead to recklessness, just look at proto suits here. In CoD, they replace the high health pool with a near instant respawn, meaning people are still reckless because there is no down time before deaths.
It has such a NARROW skill range that game play comes down to 90% luck and winning more so. Hope to christ we never go there with Dust.
Dust DOES have high health pools. INCREDIBLY high health pools. Massive shield barriers, then an armour layer to get through. If you're using a standard fit you simply cannot get through that in one magazine. God help the newbies tomorrow. |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:46:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. So your point is? |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:52:00 -
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Sorry, but I very much disagree with the OPs logic. It's actually low hp games that tend towards twitch gameplay because it just becomes a game of who saw who first, or who was quicker on the draw (the definition of twitch). When you have higher hp, you have time to react to someone attacking you. You can take cover, then maybe retreat and lead them into a pack of allies. It leads to more strategic and thoughtful gameplay. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:04:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Sorry, but I very much disagree with the OPs logic. It's actually low hp games that tend towards twitch gameplay because it just becomes a game of who saw who first, or who was quicker on the draw (the definition of twitch). When you have higher hp, you have time to react to someone attacking you. You can take cover, then maybe retreat and lead them into a pack of allies. It leads to more strategic and thoughtful gameplay.
Every played ArmA2\3 online? And I mean ArmA not that DayZ shite. It's nothing like this at all. The game is very methodical, guns don't use absolutely stupid cone of fire like this and CoD and their ilk and use real life ballistics (Where the barrel points is where the bullet goes) and instead your accuracy is effected by stance and stamina causing the gun to wobble slightly in your grip.
The average map for ArmA2\3 is 25KM Square (Yes that Kilometers). The average engagement is between 300 and 500 meters. A squad of 12 men usually only has one marksmen so there is little accurate fire. The reason firefights take place at this range? No one wants to get closer because 1 bullet is all it takes. And actually LANDING a shot at 300+ is actually kinda hard! Especially when you're out of breath and constantly having to duck back into cover. So firefights get dragged out with lots of suppression and flanking. I can't just get up and charge forward through the hail of gunfire to closer cover, or get up and run away to 'lure them out' (Which they wouldn't by the way, they'd just ignore you and suppress your location so you couldn't DO anything) because all it needs is ONE bullet to graze me. 12 guys firing full auto in my direction is going to make me keep my head down.
Your assessment is very very wrong but I strongly urge you to play ArmA3. Truly incredible gameplay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_TsLYW_oPg If Dust had ended up like this. I'd have been an incredibly happy man. |
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:14:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. Cod high health? Wtf. I get killed by 1 knife to the foot... Or 1 snipe to the arm... :( Although i agree.. Cod is a twitch shooter.
It has high health compared to BF3 and Arma.
Dust also has the one hit one kills as well. Jeeps run you over, grenades, and snipers...hell there is even a video showing some guy using melee to one shot heavies. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
61
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:22:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. So your point is?
That all the claims that nerfs to range and damage do not separate this game from CoD but in fact make it more like CoD That all the claims that the Sp/Level system do not separate this game from CoD but in fact make it more like CoD That the claims made by CCP that they are making a more strategic team based game not a twitch based CoD clone are in fact BS...or CCP simply does not know what the hell it is talking about.
I am leaning more for the latter on that last one. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
727
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:26:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Geth Massredux wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. So your point is? That all the claims that nerfs to range and damage do not separate this game from CoD but in fact make it more like CoD That all the claims that the Sp/Level system do not separate this game from CoD but in fact make it more like CoD That the claims made by CCP that they are making a more strategic team based game not a twitch based CoD clone are in fact BS...or CCP simply does not know what the hell it is talking about. I am leaning more for the latter on that last one.
Mmmmmm. Word salad.
Delicious. |
56 truth
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.05.13 23:54:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:56 truth wrote:hooc order wrote:Notice how the less max health you have the less of a twitch and gank the game is?
Cod - high health - very twitch and gank based
BF3 - lower health - less twitch and gank
ArmA - one hit kill on nearly everything - not twitch and gank.
Should point out Dust has the most health out of all the above mentioned and much higher moment speeds.
Should also point out that Dust is closer to CoD which is considered the Twitch and gank king unlike ArmA and BF3 which are considered more strategic and squad based then CoD is.
Funny how people claim the SP/leveling system which gives you even more health and movement speed is what makes Dust a strategic team based game when in fact it makes it even more twitch and gank based. you know ArmA is a military simulation "game" right? even with the mods like dayz.... I still think that Dust would be best off as some twisted lovechild of ArmA and Eve. I've always wanted it to be more like that, Sci-Fi Military Sim set 20k years in the future. not a bad counter point and a great idea too.... |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
861
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Posted - 2013.05.14 00:02:00 -
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An assessment very relevant to this subject I made in this thread. (edited for grammar)
Cosgar wrote:It's all about balancing for skill. Lemme give you a scenario: Let's say player A has 12 million SP and is running full proto with Duvolle AR. Her comes player B who has only 5 million SP and is running standard gear with a GEK-38. Now, player A is in the complex and he just hacked the CRU. Uh-oh, he wasn't paying attention and player B turns the corner and they get into a gunfight. Dakka, dakka ensues and player B just dropped player A. What happened? Let's take a closer look. Though player A had more than double the SP and superior tech than player B, player B had better aim and footwork. Player A thought he could win with superior tech, and tried to tank player A's GEK-38 while player B butterfly strafed player B's Duvolle. SP and gear matters, but at the end of the day, a player with a better gun game and footwork still has a better chance of beating a player with superior tech if their aim is weaker. But let's go even deeper: Lets say player A is running standard Amaar assault with 400HP and an Imperial Scrambler Rifle. Player B is running Caldari Logi with 700HP and a GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle. Same scenario, dakka, dakka... but what's this? Player B was the one who got dropped. What happened? Let's take a closer look. This time, even though player B was running superior tech, had better aim, and had more EHP, player A was specificially geared to handle him. Player B was shield tanking in a Caldari suit and the Emperial Scrambler Rifle player A was using cut through his shields like a hot knife though butter, leaving player B with only a fraction of his HP and was easily dispatched because player A had a better fitting despite its average meta level being inferior to player B. Let's do one more Player A is a Caldari assault CK.0 with 4 damage modifiers and a Duvolle. Player B is an Amarr MK.0 with an imperial Scrambler rifle. Same scenario dak- wow, that was quick, player B died before I could say dakka once. Let's take a closer look. Even though player B was fitted with player A's effective counter and had better aim, player A has better reflexes and is more of a twitch shooter player, so he was smart enough to fit himself for ganking. My point is that there are different types of player skills being merged together in Dust 514. Strafe and track FPS skills, twitch FPS skills, and meta gaming skills. SP is going to somewhat help each type of skilled player, but SP will never be "I win button." Skill, experience, tactics, and knowledge are king, SP is the court magician that baffles and amuses with his illusions. Whatever particular gaming specialty you favor, you should always fit yourself accordingly to match your playing style. If you're a twitch shooter with good reflexes, fit yourself to gank, using stacked damage mods and a high DPS weapon. If you're a duck and cover, strafe and track kind of player, fit youself to tank with armor and extenders relative to your suit class's specialty. If you're good with meta gaming, find out what the current fit of the month is, and fit your self accordingly to counter. The SP matters, but to the extent of how far you can customize your character to your play style. There's a lot of meta gaming and counter play. People tend to forget that Dust 514 isn't just an FPS or just an MMO. CCP has combined the genres, with one genre reinforcing the other. Play to your strengths and say **** the SP. I'm going to contradict myself a bit from this quote by saying that SP does better your character to an extent. More SP begets better customization to your respective play style or niche role.
It still does not make you a better player! If that were the case, nobody and I mean nobody would ever die to militia gear, ever. Neither any vehicle would be destroyed by militia AV below its tier level. Especially militia shotguns or swarm launchers. |
Mobias Wyvern
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:30:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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