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Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 955	Posted - 2013.05.13 16:59:00 - [1] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: My dropship forces me to use two turrets or else "INVALID FITTING". Sucks more CPU/PG than I might like. I assume that's there for balance The assault dropship forces Three turrets or else I can't make a single fitting. Why can't this apply to Logi's dropsuits and might it prevent the Super-Assault troops that logis now can be? Hey IX, I saw this quoted in another thread but didn't see the title there and here was my response Quote: @Nguruthos IX, hey bro looking forward to squading up again your ship is beast Back on point, if the racial logi frames required a minimum of 1 non-nanohive equipment mod to be fit for for the fitting to be valid it would address what's going on by pulling more CPU/PG into Equip use which is outside of the 'slayer' role of the Assault. All the support Logi's (aka the Logi's not Assaulters in a Logi suit) that I know run full Equp slots anyway so this would promote the role focus proper to the suit without nerfing anyone. Cheers, Cross Seems we're thinking along the same lines here and I didn't even know it, glad I came over to this thread to check it out. Also everyone check out this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780 it's very well done and brings up important information on this subject. o7 Cross
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 955	Posted - 2013.05.13 17:26:00 - [2] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cosgar wrote: Logistics = Versatility through wider fitting options than all the other classes. There, you don't have to ask the developers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaO2P41Op78&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F But they answered anyway, just cause it wasn't obvious enough. Beat me too it. Neo if you keep this up I'm going to have to start buying my +1's in bulk just to keep up
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 963	Posted - 2013.05.13 20:29:00 - [3] - Quote Ironic consideration, ARs are meant to be a sort of middle ground "jack of all trades" weapon, Logi's are meant to be a "pay to play" (in ISK) highly customizable suit.... complaints arise when the two are combined. New plan, require Assault suits to fit a side arm if their main weapon is an AR. Require Logi to fill an Equp slot with a non-hive item and make ARs not be able to fit on the Logi suit. Problem solved Note: The above idea is actually bad balance for several reasons and is presented more to highlight the unintended consequence and complexity present in the current situation. Having no sidearm is actually a significant limitation to most play styles for those who aren't using an AR. How many of these slayer logi are not running an AR? How many of that minority is doing so well as a slayer that they top the leaderboards/a case clear case can be made for them being outside of proper balance scaling? Cheers, Cross
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 970	Posted - 2013.05.14 00:47:00 - [4] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: Terrible argument. A logi loses what? Caldari Assault More Shields More Armor More Shield Recharge More Movement Speed More Sprint Speed Longer Sprint Duration More Stamina Higher Stamina Recovery Rate Higher Scan Precision Posses a Sidearm Amarr Assault More PG More Shields More Shield Recharge More Movement Speed More Sprint Speed Longer Sprint Duration More Stamina Higher Stamina Recovery Rate Higher Scan Precision Minmatar Assault More Shields Armor Repair Rate (suit native buff, does not require mods) More Movement Speed More Sprint Speed Longer Sprint Duration More Stamina Higher Stamina Recovery Rate Higher Scan Precision Posses a Sidearm 1 more High Power slot Gallente Assault More Shields More Armor More Shield Recharge More Movement Speed More Sprint Speed Longer Sprint Duration More Stamina Higher Stamina Recovery Rate Higher Scan Precision Posses a Sidearm Can a Logi overcome some of these limitations? Sure at a cost of additional ISK, with the Meta prices normalized base suit stats are now of more value than they were because they reduce overall fit costs. Further a Logi frame cannot overcome all of these shortfalls at once so any functionally valid comparison must compare all stats not cheery pick a few. If a specific stat is broken/not useful that stat needs fixed, nerfs don't need handed down based on it. Identifying the whole context, and then the weak points is key to balance comparisons. 0.02 ISK Cross

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