So its very clear that there is a lot of talk about how one suit is more powerful than another, and one one race benefits more etc etc.

The Caldari logi has a 5% shield extender bonus... obvious choice given the only viable way to play this game is shield tanking (the move speed reduction on plates may be fine for public match play but will not fly in competitive battles).

I've been reading a lot of the post feedback on this forum and finally decided, why is there an 'assault' class bonus? I mean seriously, 25% shield recharge? Thats good for caldari and minmater but what about gallente and amarr armor tankers? (its true, while not quite viable, I think this is part of the reason why).

Now each race has a theme, Caldari - Shields, Minmater - Speed, Gallente - Tech, - Amarr - Armor. But yet we apply a global bonus to all races for the same class? Why...?

Honestly, we need to retool bonuses so that they fit with each race's playstyle, not with each class' playstyle (considering how different they really are.)

I'm just gonna throw out a few ideas, however, the purpose is not to request specific changes but so that the we can all see how specific playstyles are better helped by racial, and not class bonus.

Caldari Racial - 5% Recharge Rate
Caldari Assault - 2% Shield Extender bonus
Caldari Logi - 5% PG/CPU reduction on shield modules.
(just an idea)Caldari Sentinel - 5% Reduction to shield recharge delay

Gallente Racial - 1 HP/s passive reps
Gallente Assault - 7% CPU/PG Reduction on light and sidearm weaponry
Gallente Logistics - 5% CPU/PG Reduction on equipment
(just an idea)Gallente Sentinel - 7% CPU/PG Reduction on Heavy Weaponry

Minmater Racial - 2% Weapon Reload Speed
Minmater Logisitcs - 5% Hacking Speed
Minmater Assault - 5% Sidearm Clip Size
(Just an idea)Minmater Sentinel- 3% Stamina, Stamina Recovery, and Movement Speed

Amarr Racial - 5% Efficacy of Dropsuit Repair Modules
Amarr Assault - Laser Weaponry Bonus
Amarr Logistics - 2% Armor Plate Efficacy
Amarr Sentinel - 2% Incoming handheld weaponry damage reduction

These bonuses can be whatever or shuffled around.. but see how the racial bonuses make more sense with the race's playstyle? Instead of 'Assault' + 'Racial Assault".. its 'Racial' + 'Racial Assault'... Just looking at the list it 'feels' better to me. New players can glance at a racial and pretty quickly get an idea of what they want to spec into. You can immediately see the bias to playstyles with each race.

Yes I know it removes the passive reps from all logis, but I would honestly be okay with that. The only true non-slayer logi to me is the gallente logi anyways, all of the rest of us are usually Combat Logistics or what I like to call 'Slayer Logis'. and... TBQH, the passive reps is kind of OP. It balances that bonus with the racial-class bonus that Gallente gets as well.

Anyways... Questions.. Comments? Is this idea worth

Edited the post to better reflect bonuses to make a little more sense and actually be worthwhile... A shield extender bonus actually makes a lot of sense to shield tank heavies.. Considering the flat bonus affects them proportionally less than medium and light frame suits.

I also forgot to add light frame bonuses.. I'll do that tomorrow.

A for effort as there needs to be work done. But leave the class bonuses... ok i don't care as long as i keep my reps as a logi, since no one else is going to do it.

I disagree with your minmatar bonuses....noone would choose assault with that bonus. Minmatars racial bonus is already the most worthless bonus in the game. If anything the racial bonus should be an increase in stamina and stamina regen. That would at least make sense instead of giving them 2 bonuses that are basically worthless. (10% reduction in reload speed is a total of a reduction of 30/100ths of a second. That is hardly worth anything.

I disagree with your minmatar bonuses....noone would choose assault with that bonus. Minmatars racial bonus is already the most worthless bonus in the game. If anything the racial bonus should be an increase in stamina and stamina regen. That would at least make sense instead of giving them 2 bonuses that are basically worthless. (10% reduction in reload speed is a total of a reduction of 30/100ths of a second. That is hardly worth anything.

So its very clear that there is a lot of talk about how one suit is more powerful than another, and one one race benefits more etc etc.

The Caldari logi has a 5% shield extender bonus... obvious choice given the only viable way to play this game is shield tanking (the move speed reduction on plates may be fine for public match play but will not fly in competitive battles).

I've been reading a lot of the post feedback on this forum and finally decided, why is there an 'assault' class bonus? I mean seriously, 25% shield recharge? Thats good for caldari and minmater but what about gallente and amarr armor tankers? (its true, while not quite viable, I think this is part of the reason why).

Now each race has a theme, Caldari - Shields, Minmater - Speed, Gallente - Tech, - Amarr - Armor. But yet we apply a global bonus to all races for the same class? Why...?

Honestly, we need to retool bonuses so that they fit with each race's playstyle, not with each class' playstyle (considering how different they really are.)

I'm just gonna throw out a few ideas, however, the purpose is not to request specific changes but so that the we can all see how specific playstyles are better helped by racial, and not class bonus.

Caldari Racial - 5% Recharge Rate
(idea)Caldari Scout - 5% Scan Profile
Caldari Assault - 4% Shield Recharge Delay Reduction
Caldari Logi - 5% PG/CPU reduction on shield modules
(idea)Caldari Sentinel - 5% Shield Extender Efficacy

Gallente Racial - 1 HP/s passive reps
Gallente Scout - 10% Scan Precision
Gallente Assault - 3% Dropsuit CPU bonus
Gallente Logistics - 5% CPU/PG Reduction on equipment
(idea)Gallente Sentinel - 3% Dropsuit PG Bonus

Minmatar Racial - 3% Stamina, Stamina Recovery, and Movement Speed
Minmatar Scout - 5% Melee Weapon Damage
Minmatar Logistics - 5% Hacking Speed
Minmatar Assault - 3% Light/Sidearm Weapon Reload Speed
(idea)Minmatar Sentinel - 3% Heavy Weapon Reload Speed

Amarr Racial - 5% Efficacy of Dropsuit Repair Modules (while giving Amarr suits base reps as well).
(idea)Amarr Scout - 10% Reduction to move speed penalty on armor plates (if this isnt removed completely)
Amarr Assault - 5% Laser Weaponry Heat Build-up
Amarr Logistics - 2% Armor Plate Efficacy
Amarr Sentinel - 2% Incoming handheld weaponry damage reduction

These bonuses can be whatever or shuffled around.. but see how the racial bonuses make more sense with the race's playstyle? Instead of 'Assault' + 'Racial Assault".. its 'Racial' + 'Racial Assault'... Just looking at the list it 'feels' better to me. New players can glance at a racial and pretty quickly get an idea of what they want to spec into. You can immediately see the bias to playstyles with each race.

Yes I know it removes the passive reps from all logis, but I would honestly be okay with that. The only true non-slayer logi to me is the gallente logi anyways, all of the rest of us are usually Combat Logistics or what I like to call 'Slayer Logis'. and... TBQH, the passive reps is kind of OP. It balances that bonus with the racial-class bonus that Gallente gets as well.

Also. I think we need to slightly redo the way classes are made. I dont feel like basic frame suits are doing us any good, and is hurting half the medium frame playerbase who doesnt want to run assault.

It would be much better to structure as so: Dropsuit Command(x1) - Gallente Medium Suits(x0) - Gallente Logistics Dropsuit Operation(x6) - Gallente Logistics Dropsuit Proficency(x10)

Medium suits does nothing but make you buy a skill book to learn medium suit operation and helps keep the node tree organized. Or you could make it (x1) and roll in a armor/shield bonus into it (while subtracting the armor/shield from base stats)

We all know its proto or nothing now, meaning the current levels 1-4 for class dropsuits are pretty much worthless. I propose you let us get into the suits right away, and proficiency and be the per level bonus and (maybe)and extra 2% PG/CPU to help incentivize taking levels 4 and 5 for the steep price.

Make Dropsuit Engineering and Electronics 1x skills, make them 3% per level instead.

Anyways... Questions.. Comments? Is this idea worth

Yeah I like the passive reps on my min logi as well... but honestly.. it starts to make more sense to be that not every logi needs to have it. If you are running logistics.. then you have 3-4 low slots available anyways, you can probably fit a complex armor rep on.

Should probably refer to this thread:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76193&find=unread

Of course you always run one of those. The point is that even a basic repper give the subject 25hp/sec. With one complex repair module I get 5. With the proto bonus that is 10. Stacking them is ridiculous but I suppose I could eventually get to the basic level of repair if I used up all those module slots. That is not the point.

What equipment do you carry? What equipment does any other player carry? In uprising it is nano hives. Not reppers, not injectors. So, If I'm the only guy running those where is my backup? I back up the team get damaged in a fight and everyone else gets fixed but i have to run around scared until the 1 complex repper gets me back to full health? No, any bonus to a logi rep rate is a blessing, my vote is that it stays.

Now why teammates are not communicating on builds, gear, the possibility of another logi in the squad (the support kind) are different discussions. Coming at it from the classic "thankless support role" a way is needed to self support the role of helping others.