Seriously need chromosome build restored, the only fix that was needed then was range on cqc weapons like shotguns, and the laser needed a slight nerf, that's it. now the entire game is cobbler vs cobbler and there isn't room for individualism in gameplay. the variety of play styles is gone. CCP had a great game, now it's more of a cqc trainer for other fps games.

if the Creodron Breach is meant to be high damage and the Duvolle Tac medium damage, why does the breach only do 56dmg and the tac 78dmg?

Surely the Tac should be doing damage in the middle between Duvolle Assault (37.4) and Creodron Breach (56.1)

So tac should be around 46dmg per shot (and will still need it's ROF fixed)

Running around with the TAC Duvolle in a decent suit costs 100k plus per pop so obviously this weapon should be good. This also is the top/best assault rifle on the market and comes with the skills required 2 use it.

Makes no difference. Perhaps other weapons need tweaking but the TAC Duvolle is perfect the way it is.

Are there people out there who think that an 80k weapon should work any differently?

Makes no difference. Perhaps other weapons need tweaking but the TAC Duvolle is perfect the way it is.

Are there people out there who think that an 80k weapon should work any differently?

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I never said it was broken although it's easy to see it is because of the ridiculous ROF you can get with it combined with the damage. Remember, I use this a lot now.

Also, most people using the Duvolle Tax have about 100-200 million ISK so 0 **** given about the pricing.


Next, you mention skills?


Why can't the Creodron do as well then? Or the Viziam now? Or the other proto weapons? Face it, it's broken, or the whole game but the tac is broken.

If this and if that? Where are you going with this?

Broken? At what point did you forget you are playing a beta version of the game and the full release is yet to come? Of course the game is broken in some areas. What else do you expect?

Just delete it. No more tac AR, instantly, weapons are balanced. (although, the new balance is still terrible)

The TAC AR is just fine the way it is.

says everybody who uses this weapon as a crutch lol

Why are you here crying over a weapon everyone can use? Why are you so ladylike??

crying? Oh sorry, didn't realize calling out everyone as being a scrub for using this weapon = crying

I didn't play much before this build. Said I'd give Uprising a shot. Since I returned I've used the TAR almost exclusively. The problem is not that the TAR is OP, but that all the other guns are severely underpowered.

A scrub? Hardly

Look at the kill feed on the top right of your screen in the next game and you'll see most of the kills are getting racked up with the TAR. It's being used by n00bs and vets alike. For 2 reasons:

1. The TAR is the only AR in the game that comes close to what most players would deem a "regular" gun in any other FPS. It's familiar and it drops red dots.
2. This game is ruthless. People will stack every advantage they can get, like water we follow the route of least resistance. Don't pretend for a second that all the non-"scrub" players/corps won't take advantage every time CCP drop the ball.

This is my first post on the forums so I suppose my word may not have much weight so to speak.

IMO yes the other guns are underpowered, most likely in the range department. But this gun when "normal" or even more so when fitted with damage mods is rediculous to say the least. IMO no single handheld gun should be able to output that much damage. This coupled with the other guns having no range makes it even worse.

Pretty sure I have come across a fully automatic varient of this gun. I kept thinking a SMG was dropping me, then I looked at the kill info and it was the Proto Tac gun.

Literaly 4-5 (sometimes less) shots with this thing will drop me and I have roughly 500 shield and 300 hp.

The damge output now makes it almost useless to use any armor rep mods because 9 outta 10 times as soon as I take fire from something I am dead anyway.

I can't imagine how newberries must feel.

This gun is almost like the new sniper rifle honestly because of the range decrease to all guns. Your team gets pinned down because at the range that this thing can put 3 rounds into and kill you, nothing else can even touch it.

Rant off LOL

Sorry I have been frustred lately by continuously getting pwned with this thing.

I-¦m actually enjoying this new build now and also excited to see the final product once it-¦s ready. Difficult to understand all the tears on this forum.

"Vets use anything that's easier and more powerful. Simple."

"All the top AR players who consider themselves good, shouldn't defend this gun. You're making yourselves look like scrubs that need a crutch "

Your first point is exactly why they won't, like I said it's dog eat dog in these parts. I'm not defending the Duvolle so much as lambasting the shiteness of the other weapons. Of course the playerbase will use the best gun available. Don't hate the player, hate the game (makers). CPP tweaked things in a deliberate manner, we should all be pissy with them not eachother.

Also, a blind-fire Swarm Launcher!? I'm sorry I missed that. Seems a bit silly we can't use it against soft targets at all. Maybe if CCP enacted a minimum arming range on the rockets so that it couldn't be used at close ranges it would be viable? I imagine that people were just blasting eachother in the face with rockets and racking up easy kills?

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Again it comes back to people liking all the little OP stuff

Seriously need chromosome build restored, the only fix that was needed then was range on cqc weapons like shotguns, and the laser needed a slight nerf, that's it. now the entire game is cobbler vs cobbler and there isn't room for individualism in gameplay. the variety of play styles is gone. CCP had a great game, now it's more of a cqc trainer for other fps games.

Running around with the TAC Duvolle in a decent suit costs 100k plus per pop so obviously this weapon should be good. This also is the top/best assault rifle on the market and comes with the skills required 2 use it.

Because you don't realize that the "final product" is in 2 days, and that the game played so much better even with all the **** that CCP pulled in the earlier builds. Guys like you who accept this sort of **** are reason the game is so ****ed up right now.

That doesn't matter. It's too good. You can't have something be ridiculously OP and then just slap an expensive price tag on it and say it's all good.

It is not too good. The TAC AR is normal.

Buffing other weapons might be a good thing but hating on the TAC AR is just silly.

Duvolle TAC wins at the moment for one reason - its range vs a standard AR.

and, unlike the nerfed viziam, its still useful in cqc; though at that range personally i prefer a standard duvolle.

sure enough it will get nerfed, like the HMG did, like the Viziam did, its just having its day in the sun right now.

the problem with the forums is the AR whiners whine the loudest - and also counter-whine other peoples threads (e.g. [bulshit]THE HMG IS GREAT I LOVE IT[/bullshit]) so AR will always be competitive, and niche weapons get whined into oblivion as AR users cant stand not being able to solo any other player in any situation.

Okay correct me if I'm wrong here.

Dovelle tac ar plus lvl 5 ar prof and one complex dam mod = 99.2 damage per shot. That's (78.5 x .15) x .10 also drop anything past the tenths place as ccp does. I only figured that with one mod because of the stacking penalty. I'm quite sure folks will go at least to 2 though. Now add tp that virtually no hip fire recoil, 75m range, and the ability to fire as fast as one can pull the trigger. Hmmm yeah I'm not seeing it as OP much.

I hope it's not rendered as useless as the Tac ARs in the last build.

give other ARs the range to fight back. most kills are scored by the tac AR. i say give the viziam back its stats. let the hevies have their range back. let the MDs have their splash radius. maybe ppl learned their lesson about whining about every type of weapon. we need some diversity.

Makes no difference. Perhaps other weapons need tweaking but the TAC Duvolle is perfect the way it is.

Are there people out there who think that an 80k weapon should work any differently?

says everybody who uses this weapon as a crutch lol

I don't understand how a tactical rifle has a faster ROF than a normal AR, which also does MORE DAMAGE can be fine.

How can a tactical AR have a faster DPS than a fully auto one is beyond me.

But hey, rest assured the majority of gamers find the easiest most OP thing to use and god forbid they require skill to kill people again

A semi auto that has a higher ROF than a fully auto one... hahahahahaha GG

Literally only viable weapon in game, if you're using anything else, you're doing it wrong.


Easiest weapon by far (pun intended) to pick up kills, and pretty much only way to compete.


If you can show me one other infantry weapon that can outclass it, give me any reasonable point and it will be countered.


CCP you've really messed up weapons, its gotten to the point where its just boring to use any weapon. I hate using AR's but I lo hate dying to Tac AR's so the whole thing is just boring.