Vehicle skills, modules and balance: We are listening to your feedback in balancing heavy vehicle experiences. It is a delicate act which has us wanting them to be able to perform their intended GÇ£tankGÇ¥ role on the battlefield, while not being overpowered. HereGÇÖs a quick break down of some of the changes that are being introduced:
Vehicle Balance
In order to enable to vehicles to last longer in combat for more fun, enduring engagements weGÇÖve increased hit point values for LAVs and HAVs accordingly.

Std & Militia HAVs - 25% more hp
Enforcer HAVs - 60% more hp
Militia LAVs - 60% more hp
Std & Scout LAVs - 50% more hp
Charybdis Logistics LAV - 70% more hp
Limbus Logistics LAV - 40% more hp

no. if you're stupid enough to drive your tank near a bunch of infantry without a cover squad or mewns of repair, i should be able to kill you with av grenades. tanks dont need more health. drivers need to get better.

no. if you're stupid enough to drive your tank near a bunch of infantry without a cover squad or mewns of repair, i should be able to kill you with av grenades. tanks dont need more health. drivers need to get better.

8.8m SP into tanks, just over 5800 shield HP and 5 milita AV nades kill me. This is not including my shield booster...active hardeners only last 10 seconds which enough time to absorbe a 1-2 shots before shutting down.

I understand the use of AV nades, my thinking is that the time and effort spent skilling into each is disproportional for their effect.

8.8m SP into tanks, just over 5800 shield HP and 5 milita AV nades kill me. This is not including my shield booster...active hardeners only last 10 seconds which enough time to absorbe a 1-2 shots before shutting down.

I understand the use of AV nades, my thinking is that the time and effort spent skilling into each is disproportional for their effect.

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How I see this:
First of all Pilot should be able to relocate they "weak spot" where ever they want, and place extra resistance on other parts of the HAV(for example).
Guy who chose to kill/try to kill HAV with grenade should program them first to auto-aim particular parts of HAV, but to do so he should first gather information about that HAV to be more successful at his attack, this information could be also give to him by Scout(who is awesome at gathering that kind of stuff). Grenadier could also set his grenade to aim HAV in general, but in that way grenade would deal much less total dmg;
He could also play roulette at choosing that particular HAV part and that could bring him luck: biggest dmg per grenade, or weakest dmg that is possible(even then setting grenade to aim HAV in general).
But that's not all, art of throwing should be involve to this as well. If you miss you throw, and grenade will hit the HAV but at wrong side of it - nothing will happen - grenade will not explode.
HAV pilot will be alarmed about the danger, because his sensor pickup specific signature that indicate explosive material - that depend on sensor skills. Pilot should be also warned from with direction grenade came.

There's an HP buff coming for vehicles (Except Dropships...for some reason, I dunno) but I'm not convinced this will fix the problem.

I can't fit more then 1 Heavy shield module on my heavy tank anyway since the PG is so low even with 2 PG extending modules.

8.8m SP into tanks, just over 5800 shield HP and 5 milita AV nades kill me. This is not including my shield booster...active hardeners only last 10 seconds which enough time to absorbe a 1-2 shots before shutting down.

I understand the use of AV nades, my thinking is that the time and effort spent skilling into each is disproportional for their effect.

8.8m SP into tanks, just over 5800 shield HP and 5 milita AV nades kill me. This is not including my shield booster...active hardeners only last 10 seconds which enough time to absorbe a 1-2 shots before shutting down.

I understand the use of AV nades, my thinking is that the time and effort spent skilling into each is disproportional for their effect.

AV grenades are a LITTLE too powerful, but not OP. The mere concept of getting CLOSE to a tank to throw something at it is ridiculous.

Forge guns and swarm launchers can damage a tank at great distances and grenades can't. Without AV grenades there wouldnt be a way to kill / scare away tanks at Close range making tanks even more OP.

Dont want AV grenades? keep your distance.

Stop crying, don't engage close range.

This is not a thread about eliminating AV nades. I believe they have a place and should remain in game. But "...making tanks even more op" makes me think that you're missing the point. Tanks aren't currently functioning in the roll they are/were designed for.

I'm saying that, as it currently is, AV does a disproportional amount of damage for their cost in both SP and ISK compared to that of the tank. No where did I say I didn't want AV nades. I'm having a discussion about the balance between tanks and their counters. Taking any of these things out of the game would not even address the issue at all.

Even the Anti-Armor starter suit is devastating to vehicles of all kinds. There is no sp or isk investment in that at all.

no. if you're stupid enough to drive your tank near a bunch of infantry without a cover squad or mewns of repair, i should be able to kill you with av grenades. tanks dont need more health. drivers need to get better.

Th problem is, people think that because vehicles are so expensive they'll get some magic advantage since they spent SO MUCH SP. TRUE AV grenades should not do THAT much damage unless they are proto, but Tank players are not playing smart.
If you get killed by AV grenades, you weren't supposed to be there bro.

Basically this thread is like someone wearing a PROTO suit complaining about why Regular Assault Rifles kill them.....

AV grenades are a LITTLE too powerful, but not OP. The mere concept of getting CLOSE to a tank to throw something at it is ridiculous.

Forge guns and swarm launchers can damage a tank at great distances and grenades can't. Without AV grenades there wouldnt be a way to kill / scare away tanks at Close range making tanks even more OP.

Dont want AV grenades? keep your distance.

Stop crying, don't engage close range.

So you want us back in the hills rail sniping?

If you think tanks are OP, you don't know anyone who drives tanks.

Basically this thread is like someone wearing a PROTO suit complaining about why Regular Assault Rifles kill them.....

I used tanks in chromosome.
I had bad games where everybody seemed to be using Forge guns..

And games where i would go in between objectives and go 42-0, or in Ambush lol....

I know that Forge guns and swarm launchers cant stop you if you are at CQ range.....

I mean AV grenades are the only thing stopping tanks to get into CQC where there is no other weapon suited to take them out.

Grenades: Damage High / Range close
Swarm launchers: Damage Mid / Range Mid-Mid long - Not very useful in CQ situations
Forge gun: Damage High / Range Long - Not very useful in CQ situations

Thats pretty much it....You want to nerf the only viable option at CQ to take care of a tank?