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II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:05:00 - [1] - Quote Would you be ok with Logistics suites not being allowed to equip damage mods? Would you be ok with Logistic suites having a [-5%] damage output on all handheld weapons outside of AV? I feel any one of these things would prevent people from trying to turn a Logi suite into an Assault suite. Personally I would be purrfectly ok with any of the above, even both. In my opinion this would be an easy "fix" that wouldn't anger any Logi's, or leave them feeling "nerfed" at all.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 718	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:07:00 - [2] - Quote No offense OP, but would you like to post in the 437498237 available Logibro threads available instead of making a new topic?
Hana-Maru Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 71	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:09:00 - [3] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Would you be ok with Logistics suites not being allowed to equip damage mods? no Quote: Would you be ok with Logistic suites having a [-5%] damage output on all handheld weapons outside of AV? no Quote: I feel any one of these things would prevent people from trying to turn a Logi suite into an Assault suite. Personally I would be purrfectly ok with any of the above, even both. In my opinion this would be an easy "fix" that wouldn't anger any Logi's, or leave them feeling "nerfed" at all. if you want to neuter yourself, thats fine, but keep your hair brained nerf ideas to yourself.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:10:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: No offense OP, but would you like to post in the 437498237 available Logibro threads available instead of making a new topic? No offence but when the forrums are filled up with people complaining and crying I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask other Logi's how they felt. My bad, shoulda filled the forums with more **** eh? Maybe you could stop by all the crying complaining threads and tell them your wise words too. Thanks
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 1014	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:11:00 - [5] - Quote Sorry dude, too many assault players specced into logi because they saw how obviously more powerful it is, and now even touching them would get you swarmed by "logi's" defending their choice of suit.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:12:00 - [6] - Quote Hana-Maru wrote: II-X-II wrote: Would you be ok with Logistics suites not being allowed to equip damage mods? no Quote: Would you be ok with Logistic suites having a [-5%] damage output on all handheld weapons outside of AV? no Quote: I feel any one of these things would prevent people from trying to turn a Logi suite into an Assault suite. Personally I would be purrfectly ok with any of the above, even both. In my opinion this would be an easy "fix" that wouldn't anger any Logi's, or leave them feeling "nerfed" at all. if you want to neuter yourself, thats fine, but keep your hair brained nerf ideas to yourself. Thanks for answering. I dont see it as a "neuter" at all. Thanks for your wise words too, you guys rock.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 334	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:12:00 - [7] - Quote You're telling me a logistics player wouldn't be smart enough to hack his own suit or gun to get it to work right?
Hana-Maru Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 71	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:13:00 - [8] - Quote stop with the "nerf logi" crap and, instead, buff assault to make it something attractive to assault players.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:15:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sorry dude, too many assault players specced into logi because they saw how obviously more powerful it is, and now even touching them would get you swarmed by "logi's" defending their choice of suit. Yea but those "Logis" are not Logi's They are most likely defending because they want to turn the suite into an assault suite. A small damage reduction wouldn't bother a Logi. It WOULD bother someone who runs the suite as an assault though
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 1014	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:18:00 - [10] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sorry dude, too many assault players specced into logi because they saw how obviously more powerful it is, and now even touching them would get you swarmed by "logi's" defending their choice of suit. Yea but those "Logis" are not Logi's They are most likely defending because they want to turn the suite into an assault suite. A small damage reduction wouldn't bother a Logi. It WOULD bother someone who runs the suite as an assault though Exactly. Which is why I laugh when people say no to what you said, because its too obvious that they're assault players who specced into logi.

II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:18:00 - [11] - Quote Hana-Maru wrote: stop with the "nerf logi" crap and, instead, buff assault to make it something attractive to assault players. Let me guess you run with the Calderi Logistics suite? LOL I kid I kid
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 337	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:20:00 - [12] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Hana-Maru wrote: stop with the "nerf logi" crap and, instead, buff assault to make it something attractive to assault players. Let me guess you run with the Calderi Logistics suite? LOL I kid I kid Amarr, the least logi of the logis.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:21:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: II-X-II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sorry dude, too many assault players specced into logi because they saw how obviously more powerful it is, and now even touching them would get you swarmed by "logi's" defending their choice of suit. Yea but those "Logis" are not Logi's They are most likely defending because they want to turn the suite into an assault suite. A small damage reduction wouldn't bother a Logi. It WOULD bother someone who runs the suite as an assault though Exactly. Which is why I laugh when people say no to what you said, because its too obvious that they're assault players who specced into logi. That is why I feel this could work and wouldn't upset real Logis. :) Heck some of the Logis on the forum said they would be ok with only running a sidearm and us not being allowed to use light guns. That is a bit much to me, but goes to show the real Logi's dont give a hoot about DPS, we are wanting to run support as primary.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:22:00 - [14] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: II-X-II wrote: Hana-Maru wrote: stop with the "nerf logi" crap and, instead, buff assault to make it something attractive to assault players. Let me guess you run with the Calderi Logistics suite? LOL I kid I kid Amarr, the least logi of the logis. Amarr Logi here too. I am sad face :( I think CCP wanted this suite to be the "Assault" Logi.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 719	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:22:00 - [15] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Cosgar wrote: No offense OP, but would you like to post in the 437498237 available Logibro threads available instead of making a new topic? No offence but when the forrums are filled up with people complaining and crying I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask other Logi's how they felt. My bad, shoulda filled the forums with more **** eh? Maybe you could stop by all the crying complaining threads and tell them your wise words too. Thanks Nerfing was sooo 2 days ago, now we've been discussing how to buff the Assault, Heavy, and Scout so they're more attractive than the Caldari logi, which we all agreed on is the real problem. Not the entire logistics class.
TODDSTER024 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:23:00 - [16] - Quote No. If everyone else could equip a damage mod, i should be able to also.
Hana-Maru Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 72	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:23:00 - [17] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sorry dude, too many assault players specced into logi because they saw how obviously more powerful it is, and now even touching them would get you swarmed by "logi's" defending their choice of suit. Yea but those "Logis" are not Logi's They are most likely defending because they want to turn the suite into an assault suite. A small damage reduction wouldn't bother a Logi. It WOULD bother someone who runs the suite as an assault though you're trolling, right? nerfing logi dmg makes logi less able to defend themselves. logi is already a slow, brightly colored target and you want to pile on. i bet you also think its a good idea the strip logi of a light weapon slot and replace it with only a side arm.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1299	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:23:00 - [18] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Would you be ok with Logistics suites not being allowed to equip damage mods? Would you be ok with Logistic suites having a [-5%] damage output on all handheld weapons outside of AV? I feel any one of these things would prevent people from trying to turn a Logi suite into an Assault suite. Personally I would be purrfectly ok with any of the above, even both. In my opinion this would be an easy "fix" that wouldn't anger any Logi's, or leave them feeling "nerfed" at all. The logic behind this is as solid as if I suggested nerfing all weapons to balance them with the HMG.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:30:00 - [19] - Quote Hana-Maru wrote: II-X-II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sorry dude, too many assault players specced into logi because they saw how obviously more powerful it is, and now even touching them would get you swarmed by "logi's" defending their choice of suit. Yea but those "Logis" are not Logi's They are most likely defending because they want to turn the suite into an assault suite. A small damage reduction wouldn't bother a Logi. It WOULD bother someone who runs the suite as an assault though you're trolling, right? nerfing logi dmg makes logi less able to defend themselves. logi is already a slow, brightly colored target and you want to pile on. i bet you also think its a good idea the strip logi of a light weapon slot and replace it with only a side arm. Umm no. And 2nd read the post one up from yours. Not trolling sir I promise. Are you pulling the reverse troll on me??
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 338	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:32:00 - [20] - Quote Support is not the logis primary, it never will be. They are combat suits, all of them. Killing is a logis primary, support is it's secondary role. You want a support suit? -Take a basic medium suit - keep all the stats - give it more 1 equipment slot than the logi - give it 1 more slot based on it's race - take it's light weapon and only let them carry side arms. Logis are simply slayers who have traded some combat versatility so that they can support the team, that does not mean babysitting is their primary role. they are simply far to versitile to be mere babysitters. In FF Black mage can learn a few basic healing spells, that does not make him a support character, white mage is the support character. Having some properties of a support character does not make you a support character.

II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:34:00 - [21] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: II-X-II wrote: Would you be ok with Logistics suites not being allowed to equip damage mods? Would you be ok with Logistic suites having a [-5%] damage output on all handheld weapons outside of AV? I feel any one of these things would prevent people from trying to turn a Logi suite into an Assault suite. Personally I would be purrfectly ok with any of the above, even both. In my opinion this would be an easy "fix" that wouldn't anger any Logi's, or leave them feeling "nerfed" at all. The logic behind this is as solid as if I suggested nerfing all weapons to balance them with the HMG. How so? Logistics is supposed to be a suppport role. Take ANY game that has medics/healers in it and that class is going to sacrifice doing the same damage as the other classes because they spend more time healing/supporting. If I am in a "group" of blue dots 60 percent of the time my armor repper is out, not my gun anyway.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 338	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:34:00 - [22] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Amarr Logi here too. I am sad face :( I think CCP wanted this suite to be the "Assault" Logi. Isn't that obvious? I would think the side arm would have given it away. and you want to nerf it's main role when it's obviously supposed to be a combat suit?
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1300	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:35:00 - [23] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Having some properties of a support character does not make you a support character. This guy is brushing with troofpaste. If you want to customise your logi suit to be focused on support, you can choose not to use damage mods and instead to use the CPU/PG on supportive fittings, but just deciding that logi suits shouldn't used be used in combative roles is silly. If you are arguing that logi suits shouldn't be better than assault suits at assault roles, you have a case, but making the assault suit viable for the assault role is the actual solution.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:36:00 - [24] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Support is not the logis primary, it never will be.. My bad. I seriously had no idea. Thanks for clearing it all up, seriously. My thread can be erased now please! I feel silly!
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 73	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:37:00 - [25] - Quote No to everything. Terrible ideas and not at all the solution to this perceived calogisault issue.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1300	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:38:00 - [26] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Logistics is supposed to be a suppport role. So combat engineers focusing on explosives aren't one of the possible uses of a logi suit? This narrow view of what each suit is "for" leads to the same kind of ridiculous mindset which results in deciding that heavies are ONLY for point defence and neutering their doorkicker viability.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:38:00 - [27] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: II-X-II wrote: Amarr Logi here too. I am sad face :( I think CCP wanted this suite to be the "Assault" Logi. Isn't that obvious? I would think the side arm would have given it away. and you want to nerf it's main role when it's obviously supposed to be a combat suit? I didnt know it was the assault logi when i speced into it. I thought i had to pick Amarr to get the racial bonus LOL
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 339	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:38:00 - [28] - Quote II-X-II wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Support is not the logis primary, it never will be.. My bad. I seriously had no idea. Thanks for clearing it all up, seriously. My thread can be erased now please! I feel silly! I'm just saying, you see that light weapon? it's meant for killing stuff.
Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization 16	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:39:00 - [29] - Quote I an amarr logi support your post, if they make equipment on logis cycle when tapping r2 and you could order the cycle.
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:40:00 - [30] - Quote Sorry for my first thread guys. You have all succeded in making me feel like an ASS LOL I am taking my leave from the forums now. Haha Didn't mean to upset anyone with the idea that were obviously really stupid. Take care, have fun playing dust. /wave

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 726	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:41:00 - [31] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Support is not the logis primary, it never will be. They are combat suits, all of them. Killing is a logis primary, support is it's secondary role. You want a support suit? -Take a basic medium suit - keep all the stats - give it more 1 equipment slot than the logi - give it 1 more slot based on it's race - take it's light weapon and only let them carry side arms. Logis are simply slayers who have traded some combat versatility so that they can support the team, that does not mean babysitting is their primary role. they are simply far to versitile to be mere babysitters. In FF Black mage can learn a few basic healing spells, that does not make him a support character, white mage is the support character. Having some properties of a support character does not make you a support character. In a way, we're more like Red Mages than the White Mages everyone thinks we are. This is going to hold true once active EWAR modules and equipment get added. I really think there was a reason they gave our suits such high CPU/PG and a ton of slots and why such an SP sink for us. In b4 "Stasis Webifiers are OP!"
II-X-II Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:42:00 - [32] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: II-X-II wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Support is not the logis primary, it never will be.. My bad. I seriously had no idea. Thanks for clearing it all up, seriously. My thread can be erased now please! I feel silly! I'm just saying, you see that light weapon? it's meant for killing stuff. In my post I said i was against the side arm only thing. Leaving now feeling foolish LOL
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1301	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:42:00 - [33] - Quote II-X-II wrote: Sorry for my first thread guys. You have all succeded in making me feel like an ASS LOL I am taking my leave from the forums now. Haha Didn't mean to upset anyone with the idea that were obviously really stupid. Take care, have fun playing dust. /wave Becoming passive aggressive in response to criticism is not going to endear you to anybody.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 339	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:45:00 - [34] - Quote Cosgar wrote: more like Red Mages Except yellow
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 729	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:49:00 - [35] - Quote II-X-II wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Support is not the logis primary, it never will be.. My bad. I seriously had no idea. Thanks for clearing it all up, seriously. My thread can be erased now please! I feel silly! No, this thread must be a monument to your folley. Logibro after logibro will take turns demeaning your ideal. We are not one, we are a swarm of killer bees! Seriously though, we've all had egg on our face at one time, now it's your turn.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 340	Posted - 2013.05.12 05:53:00 - [36] - Quote Let me put it to you this way, if you are in a two on one gunfight, and your teammate dies. Do you A) revive your teammate B) kill the red If you chose A, then congratulations, you just messed up your teammates KDR for no reason (which I used to do for fun in Chromosone ) When having to choose between a fight and a revive you should always fight. Of course, I'm not saying you should chase after a fleeing red and just abandon your teammate either, you should be able to make the judgement call between chasing after a kill or helping a teammate, it's those choices that will either make you a good logi, or a terri-bad one.
Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization 16	Posted - 2013.05.12 07:29:00 - [37] - Quote A because 80% max armor back and 105 repair gun.
Doshneil Antaro SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 43	Posted - 2013.05.12 07:53:00 - [38] - Quote OP assumes all logis have always been nothing but medics. I have buddies that have run the suits to slay with, and have enough ammo and remote explosives to keep themselves going. There is more than one way to play any suit, so for the love of god dont make my already over sp needing, under hp, under stamina, under speed suit become more gimped!
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 256	Posted - 2013.05.12 07:56:00 - [39] - Quote No no no no. Just change the useless shield recharge bonus for damage per level on the assault and nerf Caldari logibro to shield recharge instead of shield tanking. Me, as a logibro, can live with the shield recharge bonus.


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