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Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:53:00 -
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Know that line of code where a player spawns into the MCRU?
//Here's where you add + some WP to the vehicle owner
Know that line of code where a player presses O and drops out of the 'dropship'?
//Here's where you start a timer and give me some assist points for their kills or captures within a minute or whatever.
The fact that we've been told this is coming for a year now and it hasn't been able to happen is beyond me. I truly cannot understand it. I'm not even raging I just want to know why. What crazy spaghetti code are you working with that makes this difficult to implement?
Players: Your guesses here.
CPM/CCP: A response at this point seems appropriate
PS, if you're struggling to find the right balance of WP, err on the side of less and just give us a band-aid already so every single DS pilot can quit hemorrhaging ISK every single day they try to fly. |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
583
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:56:00 -
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//This guy is a definitely a programer... |
Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
49
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:57:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote://This guy is a definitely a programer...
#i know right? python comments superior |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
356
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:59:00 -
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Basically is it hard to do?
Do you not know how you want to do it?
Or has this just been ignored ad nauseum? |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
45
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:00:00 -
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Holy **** its bubba.
And the reason is because they hate vehicles, especially dropships.
Let me remind you that a tank with a MCRU receives no points for friendly spawn either, we just have another half assed way to accrue points. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2936
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:01:00 -
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I know right, it's only been over a year now 
Funny thing is that this still wouldn't net us anywhere near enough WP to help us turn a profit, but it would certainly be a step in the right direction. Why someone can just enter a game, throw down some uplinks, afk and earn exponentially more WP than us is just baffling at best. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1523
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:02:00 -
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Bubba Brown wrote:Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote://This guy is a definitely a programer... #i know right? python comments superior
I know python, I fly them everyday |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
324
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:10:00 -
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WP should be added once they drop, not spawn.
You get no points if you get blown up with 6 guys in your dropship. |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
39
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:13:00 -
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To be fair, it isn't that easy. If pilots got points for MCRUs, so would all the other vehicles. Why is that bad? Well then you don't even have to be a dedicated pilot to slap one on a viper and hide it on top of a building close to an objective and bank on free WP |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
289
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:14:00 -
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Let's please stay on REAL problems you dumb worthless pilots don't need no WP till REAL problems are fixed. |
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I-X-I
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:16:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:To be fair, it isn't that easy. If pilots got points for MCRUs, so would all the other vehicles. Why is that bad? Well then you don't even have to be a dedicated pilot to slap one on a viper and hide it on top of a building close to an objective and bank on free WP
Right now ANYONE can grab a militia uplink and throw it into the woods and let it accumulate WP. Yet if a pilot puts 2+ million dollar ship at risk for hovering over an objective we get nothing.
We should get a HP buff too along with HAV's and LAV's. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
324
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:17:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Let's please stay on REAL problems you dumb worthless pilots don't need no WP till REAL problems are fixed.
He's right you know... I trust free LAVs more than you "pilots" |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
324
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:18:00 -
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I-X-I wrote:
Right now ANYONE can grab a militia uplink and throw it into the woods and let it accumulate WP. Yet if a pilot puts 2+ million dollar ship at risk for hovering over an objective we get nothing.
We should get a HP buff too along with HAV's and LAV's.
Drop uplinks are usually at tactical locations, a Dropship in the middle of the sky with a forge gun aiming at isn't. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
357
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:19:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:WP should be added once they drop, not spawn.
You get no points if you get blown up with 6 guys in your dropship.
Well they how about they also add in that 'kick passenger' button we've also been asking for for a year. Because atm blueberries just accrue inside and I can't control that. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
357
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:20:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:I-X-I wrote:
Right now ANYONE can grab a militia uplink and throw it into the woods and let it accumulate WP. Yet if a pilot puts 2+ million dollar ship at risk for hovering over an objective we get nothing.
We should get a HP buff too along with HAV's and LAV's.
Drop uplinks are usually tactical locations, a Dropship in the middle of the sky with a forge gun aiming at isn't.
I can get them to a good one though. especially if they're on voice comm.
And most uplinks are just thrown wherever for some berry to get points afking, the way they're so terrified DS pilots might get any. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
357
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:21:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Let's please stay on REAL problems you dumb worthless pilots don't need no WP till REAL problems are fixed.
ummmm.
what?... |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
357
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:22:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:To be fair, it isn't that easy. If pilots got points for MCRUs, so would all the other vehicles. Why is that bad? Well then you don't even have to be a dedicated pilot to slap one on a viper and hide it on top of a building close to an objective and bank on free WP
Dude, you can just fly a viper 150k viper up on any building you want and drop R9 uplinks if you wanted to do that.
Why screw an entire profession. I mean, role, because we constantly go in the hole doing our job. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1525
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:22:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Let's please stay on REAL problems you dumb worthless pilots don't need no WP till REAL problems are fixed. He's right you know... I trust free LAVs more than you "pilots"
And I trust reddots more than I do bluedots. You know why? Cause reddots won't do stupid **** and just sit around doing nothing, oh and they'll actually do something about the enemy. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2943
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:23:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Let's please stay on REAL problems you dumb worthless pilots don't need no WP till REAL problems are fixed.
It's this kind of worthless dribble that proves how much console FPS players don't understand tactical gaming. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
324
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:23:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:I-X-I wrote:
Right now ANYONE can grab a militia uplink and throw it into the woods and let it accumulate WP. Yet if a pilot puts 2+ million dollar ship at risk for hovering over an objective we get nothing.
We should get a HP buff too along with HAV's and LAV's.
Drop uplinks are usually tactical locations, a Dropship in the middle of the sky with a forge gun aiming at isn't. I can get them to a good one though. especially if they're on voice comm.
And I think you should get points for every person you get to a location, just not every random who spawns in there and never leaves.
I'd also like some points for giving people a ride in my LAV. It shouldn't be too hard to program a reward system based on how much distance our passengers traveled. |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1525
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:29:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:I-X-I wrote:
Right now ANYONE can grab a militia uplink and throw it into the woods and let it accumulate WP. Yet if a pilot puts 2+ million dollar ship at risk for hovering over an objective we get nothing.
We should get a HP buff too along with HAV's and LAV's.
Drop uplinks are usually tactical locations, a Dropship in the middle of the sky with a forge gun aiming at isn't. I can get them to a good one though. especially if they're on voice comm. And I think you should get points for every person you (safely) get to a location, just not every random who spawns in there and never leaves. I'd also like some points for giving people a ride in my LAV. It shouldn't be too hard to program a reward system based on how much distance our passengers traveled.
So spawning on an MCRU is farmable, but doing some kind of distance reward scheme isn't? Christ, we have no hope.
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Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
357
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:29:00 -
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PS if that was an honest question I'll tell you why nobody would fly even a cheap ship to get WP through MCRU AFKing.
The reason they won't is because they can't.
It would never make them enough money to pay for the ship if they were parked anywhere, they'd lose 200k a match.
And if they wanted to hover at flight ceiling...Well they can't AFK there. You have to constantly stabilize the ship from drifting into red line, turning over, or crashing into a mountain |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2944
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:31:00 -
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gbghg wrote:So spawning on an MCRU is farmable, but doing some kind of distance reward scheme isn't? Christ, we have no hope.
I know right? Lmao.
The very first thing that came to mind was sitting in the red line with 2 guys in your LAV, driving in circles |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
40
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:40:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Skyhound Solbrave wrote:To be fair, it isn't that easy. If pilots got points for MCRUs, so would all the other vehicles. Why is that bad? Well then you don't even have to be a dedicated pilot to slap one on a viper and hide it on top of a building close to an objective and bank on free WP Dude, you can just fly a viper 150k viper up on any building you want and drop R9 uplinks if you wanted to do that. Why screw an entire profession. I mean, role, because we constantly go in the hole doing our job.
Don't get me wrong, I want to be a pilot myself. However, a better way has to be devised than MCRUs. Drop uplinks are not permanent and can be taken out with a couple of shots. A parked dropship is permanenr and if its parked well enough, will cost another dropship to waste to get up there and blow up. Provided of course the dropship already up there doesn't blow you up first. Seriously, MCRU points are too easily exploitable, there has to be another way. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1526
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:gbghg wrote:So spawning on an MCRU is farmable, but doing some kind of distance reward scheme isn't? Christ, we have no hope. I know right? Lmao. The very first thing that came to mind was sitting in the red line with 2 guys in your LAV, driving in circles
Last time this popped up, I pointed out that in a dropship you could earn over 60,000 WP in a match if you did a 1m=1wp. Actually give me a minute, I have a new flight record I can factor in.
EDIT: from MCC to MCC on manus peak, is what 600-700 metres? I'll go with 600 to be conservative. And let's say whatever distance system implemented has 1m=1WP
It is possible to fly a python from MCC to MCC in 12 seconds, in those 12 seconds you make 600 war points. Add in 3 seconds to kill momentum, we're at 15 seconds. Lets assume you've got afterburner on both ways for simplicity's sake, another 15 seconds to get to the other MCC and turn round. At 30 seconds you have 1200 war points. Using that as a base number
In a minute you'll have 2400 WP
In 10 minutes you'll have 24000 WP
Now I'd say that on average a decent skirmish will last around 40 minutes, under a system like that you'll make 72000 WP, and that's assuming that it only applies to one person, and doesn't generate a separate amount per person.
Yes not farmable at all. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1478
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:50:00 -
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Honestly, I think part of the issue is being able to fit an MCRU on any vehicle, which really doesn't make any sense. How the hell do you have hardware like that in a jeep?
Better to make it a vehicle restricted module, like the Clone Vat Bay is for Capitals in EVE, or make it a built-in role of certain vehicles. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1526
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:54:00 -
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Post updated. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
325
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:00:00 -
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Both are farmable, but one puts you a danger and (hopefully) encourages you to do your job.
I also never said what kind of distances would earn you what kind of points
500m = 25m per person, seems simple enough though.
600m = 30m and so on |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1526
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:06:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Both are farm able, but one puts you a danger and (hopefully) encourages you to do your job.
I also never said what kind of distances would earn you what kind of points.
No it doesn't, spawning on an MCRU is no more farmable than drop uplinks are, if you want to farm WP you have to sacrifice ISK. Your method is risk free, ISK free, and WP heavy. Your blocking a needed fix on a stupid argument, it makes no sense. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2951
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:09:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote: A parked dropship is permanenr and if its parked well enough, will cost another dropship to waste to get up there and blow up. Provided of course the dropship already up there doesn't blow you up first. Seriously, MCRU points are too easily exploitable, there has to be another way.
You're assuming that the whole team is going to be spawning on your ship that's tucked far away from where they want to be spawning....
Also, that's why we should probably only get 10 points per spawn in the ship. MCRU points are just the beginning, but anything would be a godsend at this point >_< |
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