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major parts
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 13:07:00 -
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Yep, Heavies got hit hard (range nerf of about 20% plus damage)
Buuut this was balanced with cheaper suit.
The community made noise and this got softened in an update last week (CREDIT TO CCP, that WAS quick !)
BUT I feel it also needs to be said that the happy go-lucky-scout-with-a-shotty got hit the hardest, (range nerf of about 50%) but less complaints from us it seemed. I totally agree with GÇÿdonGÇÖt complain and adaptGÇÖ. IGÇÖve tried, and hard... But it is VERY tough 
I havnGÇÖt skilled into spread reduction yet as the overall cone seems tighter anyway
(MUCH more misses at 5M GÇô some due to lag? Yeah I know... more like my bad aim).
And I have also read posts from very unhappy players saying they invested SP into this skill and it was a total waste.
What are other shotty scout experiences?
Does the spread reduction skill really help?
Also, is internet lag (not local freezing) giving you more problems than before like it does with me? (this would be less detectable with high ROF weapons).
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Drex Vizla
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.05.11 13:15:00 -
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Step 1: earn SPs
Step 2: Learn scout suit op
Step 3: obtain shotgun
Step 4: i think you know where im going... |
major parts
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 13:30:00 -
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Drex Vizla wrote:Step 1: earn SPs
Step 2: Learn scout suit op
Step 3: obtain shotgun
Step 4: i think you know where im going...
The new layout is to earn positions like that not just step into the game and, be them.
Thanks  will i need a playstation for this?
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Chilled Pill
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.05.11 13:43:00 -
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Still doing well with Scout Shottie, so does my corp mate Morathi.
I have Shotgun Op I. |
Drex Vizla
Planetary Response Organisation
1
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Posted - 2013.05.11 14:14:00 -
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major parts wrote:Drex Vizla wrote:Step 1: earn SPs
Step 2: Learn scout suit op
Step 3: obtain shotgun
Step 4: i think you know where im going...
The new layout is to earn positions like that not just step into the game and, be them. Thanks will i need a playstation for this?
Step 0: steal a playstation |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
669
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Posted - 2013.05.11 14:33:00 -
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My corp director went SG scout towards the end of chrome and went full proto in uprising. He had some buyer's remorse starting out because of all the rendering and hit box changes. After a couple days, it's like he never left. Have you seen a proto Minmatar scout with stacked catalyzers? Let's just say speed tanking is a thing now. @.@ |
Radar R4D-47
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
16
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:17:00 -
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i had a shotty last build this build i like my knives way more |
Soozu
5o1st
92
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:20:00 -
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Chilled Pill wrote:Still doing well with Scout Shottie, so does my corp mate Morathi.
I have Shotgun Op I.
KBM or controller? |
Oha Yo
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
50
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:40:00 -
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major parts wrote:
(MUCH more misses at 5M GÇô some due to lag? Yeah I know... more like my bad aim).
And I have also read posts from very unhappy players saying they invested SP into this skill and it was a total waste.
What are other shotty scout experiences?
Does the spread reduction skill really help?
Also, is internet lag (not local freezing) giving you more problems than before like it does with me? (this would be less detectable with high ROF weapons).
there is something off with my shotgun in uprising. i know my distance, i've used shotgun a lot and was decent with it, i know when i miss and am able to acknowledge when it was my fault, BUT i do experience SO MUCH more misses when it should've been obvious hit. i've got used to the range [it is pitiful as hell, but ok, i can work with that] but sometimes it's like i'm shooting everywhere BUT the red.
my internet connection might be the issue here, cos i moved and have it worse now. but i don't see the problem with knives, where hit detection seems to work just fine. or smg. or ar.
help, CCP. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
676
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:47:00 -
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Part of the problem is, everything took a ninja nerf except that damn AR. The AR was easy mode in chrome, but in uprising it's just better by comparison while everything else has become novelty. |
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major parts
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:39:00 -
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Oha Yo wrote:there is something off with my shotgun in uprising. i know my distance, i've used shotgun a lot and was decent with it, i know when i miss and am able to acknowledge when it was my fault, BUT i do experience SO MUCH more misses when it should've been obvious hit.
help, CCP.
Also experienced this a lot yesterday.
If this rumour of an optional respec on the 14th is true, it might be worth pumping SP into shotty skills tonight... |
Ric Barlom
On The Brink
CRONOS.
88
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Posted - 2013.05.13 15:26:00 -
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Oha Yo wrote:major parts wrote:
(MUCH more misses at 5M GÇô some due to lag? Yeah I know... more like my bad aim).
And I have also read posts from very unhappy players saying they invested SP into this skill and it was a total waste.
What are other shotty scout experiences?
Does the spread reduction skill really help?
Also, is internet lag (not local freezing) giving you more problems than before like it does with me? (this would be less detectable with high ROF weapons).
there is something off with my shotgun in uprising. i know my distance, i've used shotgun a lot and was decent with it, i know when i miss and am able to acknowledge when it was my fault, BUT i do experience SO MUCH more misses when it should've been obvious hit. i've got used to the range [it is pitiful as hell, but ok, i can work with that] but sometimes it's like i'm shooting everywhere BUT the red. my internet connection might be the issue here, cos i moved and have it worse now. but i don't see the problem with knives, where hit detection seems to work just fine. or smg. or ar. help, CCP.
Well you know, it took me a while to get used to the new build before I started to get kills with the shotgun but the more I play with my scout the better I get but I've also acknowledged that I will die a lot. I don't mind that though, KDR is just a statistic for me not a goal. That being said though, I'm running a militia gear to get as much money as I can and I do kill protos as regularly as I get killed by them. Honestly my strategy in a gun fight is to focus on dodging and staying alive first, while spraying around with my shotgun and hope that I hit! Sometimes I miss shots that I was 100% sure was a hit, and sometimes I kill people with shots I thought weren't even close, but most of the times it seems pretty okay to me. |
major parts
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:25:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:
Well you know, it took me a while to get used to the new build before I started to get kills with the shotgun but the more I play with my scout the better I get but I've also acknowledged that I will die a lot. I don't mind that though, KDR is just a statistic for me not a goal. That being said though, I'm running a militia gear to get as much money as I can and I do kill protos as regularly as I get killed by them. Honestly my strategy in a gun fight is to focus on dodging and staying alive first, while spraying around with my shotgun and hope that I hit! Sometimes I miss shots that I was 100% sure was a hit, and sometimes I kill people with shots I thought weren't even close, but most of the times it seems pretty okay to me.
I can relate to this experience but are you really happy to go on with this 'random' element? - It's not as fun or rewarding as it used to be in chromosome - i.e. where you could care about your own performance and were IN CONTROL of whether you were a killing machine or a headless huntsman  ? |
Mocha Biscotti
Red Star.
EoN.
16
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:27:00 -
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Im not good at this game, and Im doing shotgun scout (Using only a dragonfly scount mind you!) and I feel like speedy |
Oha Yo
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
56
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:46:00 -
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ok i gotta say i think ccp is secretely in love with me cos they listened and did something [i dunno, i hear they did some magic with balancing the controller?] and yesterday i was having a blast and my shotgun worked as it should. i experienced almost none hit detection problems, and most of the times i was dead only due to my bad moves and being too carefree. [being extremely fast doesn't make you bulletproof, stupid!]
so yeah, THANK YOU, CCP! i love you too. <3 |
Luis rules 1st
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:33:00 -
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Lol
Who da hell think scouts are OP?
I've used the scout suit since I got access to the private beta
Since then, people have been complaining so I ended having less slots or speed or shield, whatever on the next build
So if you think a suit that has shield/armor that is like a piece if paper, you are the stupid here
And if they have damage or speed mods, they are running in underwear, so a couple bullets will drop them
That is actually unfair
so stop crying
about the main topic here (Sorry about that first part)
Maybe the issue, or part, is the control, which should be fixed
And second, hit detection
Which sometimes you know it's a certain hit and you end up missing
Even if I don't use shotguns, I'd like more range on some SG as well. Creodron only has two shells, it was supposed to have more range and damage, but as far as I've heard, it's the same thing now
which is worthless |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
245
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:54:00 -
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They should really just make another light frame specialization for those who want to be more frontline speedy assault players in a light suit, because the shotgun isn't really an ideal tool for a scout. Also if you want to be a light frame with a shotgun, I doubt you'd even skill into scout since those bonuses don't help you much.
Just more empahasis that light frame is not the same thing as scout. |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
13
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:58:00 -
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it sucks that we go down in 3 bullets from a full auto weapon =( |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
247
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:01:00 -
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Doyle Reese wrote:it sucks that we go down in 3 bullets from a full auto weapon =(
I was making a joke about this with a friend just the other day. He was complaining because he's a heavy and from a distance it's hard to tell what version of an assault rifle someone is using, and depending on whether it's militia, GEK, or Duvolle it completely changes how he'd approach the situation. I laughed and said this is a non-issue for scouts, we get killed as well from everything! Taking the more optimistic route you can see this as an upside  |
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