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Rannici
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:24:00 -
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I'm pissed off. CCP get your **** together. Stop listening to all the carebears that can't play this game.
It's my turn to whine. When Uprising came out on Monday, I adapted. I adjusted to the sharpshooter removal, and picked up a mass driver. I stuck to my role as a logi, and specced my 10 million SP into the Gallente Logistics proto suit.
I was enjoying myself. The game felt fairly balanced. I had/have 3 complex armor reppers, two basic plates, and 3 complex shield extenders. This meant that I could take a beating, while not necessarily being able to dish much of it out myself. THIS IS THE PROPER WAY A LOGI SHOULD BE.
Fast forward to today. You moneygrubbing developers listened to all the 1 million SP noobs whining that they can no longer kill anything, and that fights were taking too long in general. You handed out a free 10% damage bonus to every handheld gun in the game.
Great. Guess what? I'm screwed. It's frustrating as hell to join a game solo now. A free dragonfly scout rocking a GLU tactical rifle comes at me, and it's now a challenge. Two? Forget it, I'm running. But, oh wait, I'm armor tanked, and in a logistics suit. It's hard as hell for me to run. Add to that the increased range and damage of these GLU tactical rifles that are taking potshots at me from all angles, and... You've essentially made this game unplayable, unejoyable, and unfun, for what should be the best suit for the logistics class.
... TLDR: Everyone and their mom is in a Caldari logistics suit for the increased shielding. Those that were brave enough to go gallente for the -25% equipment CPU/PG usage, got the serious shaft today as armor does not hold up nearly as well under fire to the armada of noobs carrying +10% damage modded GLU tactical rifles. God. Damn. This. Game. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1548
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:26:00 -
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If you think the GLU is bad...wait till all the tryhards start rocking the Duvolle tact.
O wait, that's already happening |
Waruiko DUST
G I A N T EoN.
97
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:31:00 -
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I specd same as you and I say the problem has more to do with both plate being broken and the tac ar being twice as strong as it should be. The complaints about their stats are from a time when you could hit with an ar from 100m. Thsir range is all the bonus they need. |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
247
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:31:00 -
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You should be active tanking that suit when you can rep more than 10hp/s things start to get fun.
Also quit playing solo wrong game. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:33:00 -
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that plus 10%damge is just the old weaponry bonus(it now has a CPU reduction or something),things are still the same when it does to damage on most weapons.(those who are usd to already having max weaponary last build) |
Den-tredje Baron
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
37
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:33:00 -
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Rannici wrote:I'm pissed off. CCP get your **** together. Stop listening to all the carebears that can't play this game.
It's my turn to whine. When Uprising came out on Monday, I adapted. I adjusted to the sharpshooter removal, and picked up a mass driver. I stuck to my role as a logi, and specced my 10 million SP into the Gallente Logistics proto suit.
I was enjoying myself. The game felt fairly balanced. I had/have 3 complex armor reppers, two basic plates, and 3 complex shield extenders. This meant that I could take a beating, while not necessarily being able to dish much of it out myself. THIS IS THE PROPER WAY A LOGI SHOULD BE.
Fast forward to today. You moneygrubbing developers listened to all the 1 million SP noobs whining that they can no longer kill anything, and that fights were taking too long in general. You handed out a free 10% damage bonus to every handheld gun in the game.
Great. Guess what? I'm screwed. It's frustrating as hell to join a game solo now. A free dragonfly scout rocking a GLU tactical rifle comes at me, and it's now a challenge. Two? Forget it, I'm running. But, oh wait, I'm armor tanked, and in a logistics suit. It's hard as hell for me to run. Add to that the increased range and damage of these GLU tactical rifles that are taking potshots at me from all angles, and... You've essentially made this game unplayable, unejoyable, and unfun, for what should be the best suit for the logistics class.
... TLDR: Everyone and their mom is in a Caldari logistics suit for the increased shielding. Those that were brave enough to go gallente for the -25% equipment CPU/PG usage, got the serious shaft today as armor does not hold up nearly as well under fire to the armada of noobs carrying +10% damage modded GLU tactical rifles. God. Damn. This. Game.
First of all: Yeah those tacticals need a some kind of ROF restriction meaning donno not more than 2 shots a second or something like that. Secondly: are you armor or shield tanked ??? I know you'r internal error but i really think that's a wierd fit. A damage mod in the highs might be a good thing for better survival to kill whoever slips through the ranks of the assau... no wait caldari logis in front of you . Then maybe having an enhacned plate and a enhanced regulator to would also go a long way. But ohhwell everybody is different back on topic
Yeah the tacticals are damm good !!! donno why they got a extra buff with uprising and now an even bigger buff with this +10%. They definitely didn't need it. They already have longer ranges so damage should be above fully auto version but not by as much as it is now !!!! |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:38:00 -
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Take off the extenders, add a damage mod or two and carry flux. Enjoy! |
I-X-I
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:46:00 -
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I feel your pain OP, I went Amarr for my toons faction.
OOPS!
I think CCP wanted Amarr to appeal to the assault logis, but we have crap for slots and equipment cause we can have a side arm that is never needed.
Sad face. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
199
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:50:00 -
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Don't fear a little bit of a speed reduction man. I run the 2 enhanced armor plates and the rest complex armor reps. 10% speed reduction isn't that bad for how much extra health you get. Honestly I hardly notice it. You're running in basics of course you will get shot down.
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
639
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:52:00 -
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Armor tanking still needs a buff, CCP needs to ignore cryhards, and the TAR is what the Gauss Rifle needs to be, but with a slower ROF and less hip fire accuracy. |
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Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
330
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:54:00 -
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I felt the same way.
After being killed for the 1000th time by a Tac rifle, I just sat back and said "I cant play this anymore"
AR514 for sure. |
Rannici
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
27
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:55:00 -
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"Also quit playing solo wrong game."
Anyone that knows me, knows that I like to play solo, at least part of the time. By solo, I mean, without my corporation as squadmates.
I like to heal / help strangers from time to time, for whatever reason. And it helps me to step up my game, by proving to myself that I can hold my own, working with a random group of blueberries, hopefully nudging them in the right direction without raging too much into my mic.
I should be able to join a game solo, and hold my own. And I'm saying, right now, with today's 10% buff, the game feels, obviously broken for logis like me. Sure, I'll 90% of the time go positive. But it's always painful, and nearly always an ISK loser.
Maybe, I guess I'll just suck it up, because I won't see any of you scrubs after the 14th, as everyone of any worth SHOULD be in faction warfare. But there's a definite balance issue here at work that feels completely off. And I don't know what the solution is.
JUST, that all logis in general should not be nerfed. And I swear to god if that's what happens I'm quitting for good.
... Although personally, if logis could move faster and sacrifice the main weapon for a sidearm only, i would really not care in the slightest. |
Blamejudg3s KEQ
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
19
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:00:00 -
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Rannici wrote:"Also quit playing solo wrong game."
Anyone that knows me, knows that I like to play solo, at least part of the time. By solo, I mean, without my corporation as squadmates.
I like to heal / help strangers from time to time, for whatever reason. And it helps me to step up my game, by proving to myself that I can hold my own, working with a random group of blueberries, hopefully nudging them in the right direction without raging too much into my mic.
I should be able to join a game solo, and hold my own. And I'm saying, right now, with today's 10% buff, the game feels, obviously broken for logis like me. Sure, I'll 90% of the time go positive. But it's always painful, and nearly always an ISK loser.
Maybe, I guess I'll just suck it up, because I won't see any of you scrubs after the 14th, as everyone of any worth SHOULD be in faction warfare. But there's a definite balance issue here at work that feels completely off. And I don't know what the solution is.
JUST, that all logis in general should not be nerfed. And I swear to god if that's what happens I'm quitting for good.
... Although personally, if logis could move faster and sacrifice the main weapon for a sidearm only, i would really not care in the slightest.
My suit 5.2k, your doing it wrong
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Rannici
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
27
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:01:00 -
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Quote:My suit 5.2k, your doing it wrong
yeah exactly. i'll go back to using free suits and a tac rifle. can't beat em, join em. i guess, right?
i shouldn't have to do that though. where is the fun in that.
...and this is exactly why there are no legit logis left on the battlefield. ...or tanks. |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
581
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:06:00 -
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Rannici wrote:Fast forward to today. You moneygrubbing developers listened to all the 1 million SP noobs. If they were "moneygrubbing" they wouldn't listen to people with only 1 mil sp they would listen to the 10+ mil sp booster users. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
347
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:06:00 -
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Really this is what makes you complain? A 10% damage boost and all of a sudden you die like paper?
You got a ten percent damage boost too you should be able to kill them. |
Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
83
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:06:00 -
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Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:Rannici wrote:"Also quit playing solo wrong game."
Anyone that knows me, knows that I like to play solo, at least part of the time. By solo, I mean, without my corporation as squadmates.
I like to heal / help strangers from time to time, for whatever reason. And it helps me to step up my game, by proving to myself that I can hold my own, working with a random group of blueberries, hopefully nudging them in the right direction without raging too much into my mic.
I should be able to join a game solo, and hold my own. And I'm saying, right now, with today's 10% buff, the game feels, obviously broken for logis like me. Sure, I'll 90% of the time go positive. But it's always painful, and nearly always an ISK loser.
Maybe, I guess I'll just suck it up, because I won't see any of you scrubs after the 14th, as everyone of any worth SHOULD be in faction warfare. But there's a definite balance issue here at work that feels completely off. And I don't know what the solution is.
JUST, that all logis in general should not be nerfed. And I swear to god if that's what happens I'm quitting for good.
... Although personally, if logis could move faster and sacrifice the main weapon for a sidearm only, i would really not care in the slightest. My suit 5.2k, your doing it wrong Oh, I bet that's a GREAT logi suit
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Rannici
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
27
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:15:00 -
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"You should be active tanking that suit when you can rep more than 10hp/s things start to get fun."
Also... I'll admit, prior to today I did feel a bit overpowered. Especially against heavies. Quietly, it almost felt like I was cheating, as I could basically stand in front of a HMG and take practically no damage due to my armor reppers (provided it wasn't a boundless).
CCP giveth, and CCP taketh away... Or rather, giveth to whiny scrubs. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
302
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:20:00 -
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Serves you right for not going Caldari Logi like a proper IMP Tryhard
But as a fellow gallente logi the issue comes from lack of good plates that dont effect movement speed. Also yea armor reps are the key, Get that proto armor rep and drop 2, 15hp/s rep plus 300+armor and 300+ shield from com SE is all you need. Remember you arent a frontline soldier as a gallente logi so dont stray too far from the pack.
Duck and cover my dude. Duck and cover. |
demonkiller 12
BetaMax. CRONOS.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:07:00 -
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When i started Dust in january...? I was a heavy and it was easy mode, well at least it was easy to learn the game as a heavy> But for uprising I've switched to Gallente logi and its pretty damned awesome, i have 700hp (only 6arm rep because i have 6.4mil sp) I feel like a heavy, no I feel better than a heavy since i can actually move decently, I also have no problems in 1v1 or 2v1 with my SMG unless its a caldari logi which feel godly strong.
But yea only 6.4 mil so here's what I run, any help on equipment/skills would be appreciated. :) (I've also started playing solo ambush since I can grind upwards of 100ksp a day when capped)
Logistics G/1 - Series
Submachine Gun Militia Locus Grenade
Stable Drop Uplink Repair Tool Nanite Injector
Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender
Militia Armor Repairer Enhanced Armor Plates Enhanced Armor Plates
I'm currently 1.5mil off Gallente Logistics lvl 5 and I'm pretty sure I'm going to save straight for that then either go for proto repair tool or proto armor repairer/proto plates. |
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Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1014
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:36:00 -
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Armor is broken. TAC AR is broken.
This post in a nutshell and I agree. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
718
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:49:00 -
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Gallente suits in general need a bonus of -2% movement penalty per level when equipping armor plates. Or armor needs to administer a stamina penalty instead of movement. That way the gallente scouts can use plates but keep their speed and GaLogis can use plates efficiently. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1014
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:52:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Gallente suits in general need a bonus of -2% movement penalty per level when equipping armor plates. Or armor needs to administer a stamina penalty instead of movement. That way the gallente scouts can use plates but keep their speed and GaLogis can use plates efficiently. Even without any penalty armor is still lame. The only difference between a complex shield extender and a complex armor plate is a SINGLE BULLET. Only that I can't put 4 complex armor plates, because then my armor won't regenerate. While shield tankers can not only do that, but regenerate at 22hp/s. If I try to balance regeneration and tanking, I won't get nearly as much tank and nearly as much HP/s. And even if I go 100% regeneration I can still only MATCH shield tankers, while they can slap a shield recharger on and do the job much quicker. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:54:00 -
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i didn't read the whole post, but are you sad you can't stomp around in pick-up games in your proto-suit properly? |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
245
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:12:00 -
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It's cool to see Gallente armor tankers chiming in.
Tip for new bros: You can fit x2 Enhanced Armor Repair and x1 Enhanced plate to your militia suit with ease. Have to sacrifice advanced AR, but you can still rock advanced AV nades if needed. Swap the plate with an enhanced cardiac regulator for more stamina and no speed penalty. Get biotics upgrades to 5 and the speed penalty from your plate is negated. Minnie militia has no lows so I find the Gallente suit more new player friendly. Caldari is old skool. Long live the Federation! |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1014
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:14:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:It's cool to see Gallente armor tankers chiming in.
Tip for new bros: You can fit x2 Enhanced Armor Repair and x1 Enhanced plate to your militia suit with ease. Have to sacrifice advanced AR, but you can still rock advanced AV nades if needed. Swap the plate with an enhanced cardiac regulator for more stamina and no speed penalty. Get biotics upgrades to 5 and the speed penalty from your plate is negated. Minnie militia has no lows so I find the Gallente suit more new player friendly. Caldari is old skool. Long live the Federation! Biotics negates sprint speed, not walking speed which is more important for 1v1. Also, even like that a Caldari would still beat you in both HP bonus and regeneration. Because CCP hates armor. |
Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
116
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:24:00 -
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I-X-I wrote:I feel your pain OP, I went Amarr for my toons faction. OOPS! I think CCP wanted Amarr to appeal to the assault logis, but we have crap for slots and equipment cause we can have a side arm that is never needed. Sad face. I use my side arm all the time as a heavy. Why would you not need one as a logi? |
Free Healing
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
274
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:33:00 -
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Rannici wrote:I'm pissed off. CCP get your **** together. Stop listening to all the carebears that can't play this game.
It's my turn to whine. When Uprising came out on Monday, I adapted. I adjusted to the sharpshooter removal, and picked up a mass driver. I stuck to my role as a logi, and specced my 10 million SP into the Gallente Logistics proto suit.
I was enjoying myself. The game felt fairly balanced. I had/have 3 complex armor reppers, two basic plates, and 3 complex shield extenders. This meant that I could take a beating, while not necessarily being able to dish much of it out myself. THIS IS THE PROPER WAY A LOGI SHOULD BE.
Fast forward to today. You moneygrubbing developers listened to all the 1 million SP noobs whining that they can no longer kill anything, and that fights were taking too long in general. You handed out a free 10% damage bonus to every handheld gun in the game.
Great. Guess what? I'm screwed. It's frustrating as hell to join a game solo now. A free dragonfly scout rocking a GLU tactical rifle comes at me, and it's now a challenge. Two? Forget it, I'm running. But, oh wait, I'm armor tanked, and in a logistics suit. It's hard as hell for me to run. Add to that the increased range and damage of these GLU tactical rifles that are taking potshots at me from all angles, and... You've essentially made this game unplayable, unenjoyable, and unfun, for what should be the best suit for the logistics class.
... TLDR: Everyone and their mom is in a Caldari logistics suit for the increased shielding. Those that were brave enough to go gallente for the -25% equipment CPU/PG usage, got the serious shaft today as armor does not hold up nearly as well under fire to the armada of noobs carrying +10% damage modded GLU tactical rifles. God. Damn. This. Game.
You have an interesting idea of how a Logibro "SHOULD" be fitted. By interesting of course I mean simple and unadventurous.
What you have is the spec of a Combat Logi that is geared for Armor Tanking. IMO you've gone way too far with your HP reliance. The Gallente Logi is not geared for Combat. It's geared for Primary Support. IMO the best use of a Gallente Logi is in Scanning. Won't go into detail there.
You seem to be of the notion that Shield are still the all powerful defender that they were in Chrome. but this is not the case. Your shield spec also has absolutely no balance to it. Your shield is designed to power through 1v1 engagements but you have a lack of survival ability once they're depleted. Once they're depleted they have trouble getting back up and since your slowed down by the armor, you don't have enough time to get away and recharge all 198 of the extra shield you got from the Extenders.
There are two ways you can go about your tanking and achieve far greater effectiveness. You swap out one of the shield extenders with either a Damage Mod, or a Shield Re-charger. Damage mod for 1v1 engagements, SRC for more overall survival ability.
Your low slots are a mess to be quite honest. Your repping at 20HP/s but you don't have enough Total HP for that to even come close to useful in combat. Think about it. Have you ever, whilst in a logibro suit, charged into Combat while you had a Logi at your back with a repper on you? If you haven't good, your smarter than most, and if you have, then like most you probably got gunned downed quite easily. If your going to run an Armor Tank Combat Logi then you need to have decent Armor Plates. The Basic Plate = Not Decent Enough.
2 Plates 2 Reppers
gives you a nice paradigm of effectiveness provided they're on the same level. For your last slot I would advise a Kinetic Catalyzer to reduce the strain caused by the plates. Or you could run my personal favorite Module, a Profile Dampener. Which will help you not be detected by every enemy 10M away.
TL;DR
Your fittings are a mess, I've given a few pointers in my long post.
The TAR's are OP atm, everyone knows it, so I'm sure CCP knows it. Give it time, they will be re-balanced. They're not the first thing to be OP, and they won't be the last.
Keep the Faith. |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
59
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Posted - 2013.05.12 07:42:00 -
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You have four equipment slots and -25% to CPU and PG requirments of equipment. Brainstorm for a second and think of something that might be good with an armor tank build.
Logi MK.0 and GK.0 are both FINE. Not like Ck.0, but 100% playable and reasonable options. You have enough slots to figure out a clever way to make it work. |
Mobias Wyvern
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:20:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
231
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:21:00 -
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GM Hercules, you've been slacking :P |
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