DUST Search - The Definition of OP

XeroTheBigBoss wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

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Very good post.
I hope people read it and figure out that acronym "OP" really means something over the top.
My definition of OP is if the selection to use something is a "no-brainer" then it most likely is OP.
Buster gets my +1 for this,

However, I disagree on the definition of "if something is very very commonly seen on the field it is OP".
I'd imagine a general purpose weapon like AR is okay if is most common weapon (provided it's killing power is balanced to others)

Thanks.

Let me say this. I think the AR fits the bill of a no-brainer. So by your definition, from my viewpoint, it's OP. Also, on a slightly more businesslike approach to the view of OP, the game designers have made a lot of weapons, and if the AR is, say, 50% of those, it is hurting diversity - precisely because it is a no brainer.

I wouldn't say AR is OP because so many people kill with it. You gotta think AR is the most popular gun because it has been in every single shooter since the beginning of time and is the most basic weapon. Most people know what they are gonna get with a AR. Nobody knows what to expect from Scrambler Laser Shotgun and all the others. AR can be used in every situation.

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Buster Friently Rosen Association 828	Posted - 2013.07.01 00:02:00 - [31] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Buster Friently wrote: . . ORIGINAL POST . . Very good post. I hope people read it and figure out that acronym "OP" really means something over the top. My definition of OP is if the selection to use something is a "no-brainer" then it most likely is OP. Buster gets my +1 for this, However, I disagree on the definition of "if something is very very commonly seen on the field it is OP". I'd imagine a general purpose weapon like AR is okay if is most common weapon (provided it's killing power is balanced to others) Thanks. Let me say this. I think the AR fits the bill of a no-brainer. So by your definition, from my viewpoint, it's OP. Also, on a slightly more businesslike approach to the view of OP, the game designers have made a lot of weapons, and if the AR is, say, 50% of those in use, but only 10% of those designed, it is hurting diversity - precisely because it is a no brainer.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 595	Posted - 2013.07.01 00:05:00 - [32] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Buster Friently wrote: . . ORIGINAL POST . . Very good post. I hope people read it and figure out that acronym "OP" really means something over the top. My definition of OP is if the selection to use something is a "no-brainer" then it most likely is OP. Buster gets my +1 for this, However, I disagree on the definition of "if something is very very commonly seen on the field it is OP". I'd imagine a general purpose weapon like AR is okay if is most common weapon (provided it's killing power is balanced to others) Thanks. Let me say this. I think the AR fits the bill of a no-brainer. So by your definition, from my viewpoint, it's OP. Also, on a slightly more businesslike approach to the view of OP, the game designers have made a lot of weapons, and if the AR is, say, 50% of those, it is hurting diversity - precisely because it is a no brainer. I wouldn't say AR is OP because so many people kill with it. You gotta think AR is the most popular gun because it has been in every single shooter since the beginning of time and is the most basic weapon. Most people know what they are gonna get with a AR. Nobody knows what to expect from Scrambler Laser Shotgun and all the others. AR can be used in every situation.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 828	Posted - 2013.07.01 00:07:00 - [33] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Buster Friently wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Buster Friently wrote: . . ORIGINAL POST . . Very good post. I hope people read it and figure out that acronym "OP" really means something over the top. My definition of OP is if the selection to use something is a "no-brainer" then it most likely is OP. Buster gets my +1 for this, However, I disagree on the definition of "if something is very very commonly seen on the field it is OP". I'd imagine a general purpose weapon like AR is okay if is most common weapon (provided it's killing power is balanced to others) Thanks. Let me say this. I think the AR fits the bill of a no-brainer. So by your definition, from my viewpoint, it's OP. Also, on a slightly more businesslike approach to the view of OP, the game designers have made a lot of weapons, and if the AR is, say, 50% of those, it is hurting diversity - precisely because it is a no brainer. I wouldn't say AR is OP because so many people kill with it. You gotta think AR is the most popular gun because it has been in every single shooter since the beginning of time and is the most basic weapon. Most people know what they are gonna get with a AR. Nobody knows what to expect from Scrambler Laser Shotgun and all the others. AR can be used in every situation. I agree that this is a complication with the AR. Personally though, I think this merely skews the point at which you declare it OP. What, precisely, that point is, I don't know. By your reckoning, if the AR is 90% of the weapons on the battlefield, is it OP then, even though it's the "comfort" weapon? Or is 75% the break point? All I'm saying is there is such a break point, even for the AR.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1847	Posted - 2013.07.01 01:07:00 - [34] - Quote I personally think that something that's OP has no reasonable counter besides itself. The biggest problem with dust is that we can't really tell what's truly OP and what isn't because there is never diversity. over 3/4 of the player base always runs an AR frontliner no matter what. Last build they said laser rifles and mass drivers were OP (they weren't) but still, the vast majority of players didn't run one or even try to counter them with anything but an AR. Player stupidity > perfect imbalance
Xender17 Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 190	Posted - 2013.07.01 01:11:00 - [35] - Quote Only agree with the 3rd point. 1&2 have no meaning to gameplay. Gameplay is the only area a weapon has affect.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 828	Posted - 2013.07.01 01:12:00 - [36] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Only agree with the 3rd point. 1&2 have no meaning to gameplay. Gameplay is the only area a weapon has affect. If I understand what you're saying, let me counter with: 1 and 2 define 3.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 997	Posted - 2013.07.01 06:47:00 - [37] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I personally think that something that's OP has no reasonable counter besides itself. this should be the fourth point in the OP. If the only viable answer to a weapon is the same weapon then it is overpowered. It's like people screaming lasers were OP last build. Once I figured out how they worked and how to kill them my deaths to them became rare, because different mechanics were exploitable. even in a fatsuit I was able to close distance and execute viziam wielders because in CQC Lasers were about as threatening as a toddler wielding a damp sock. With the Tac AR, I have a screwy, lame PS3. Before they were adjusted that was the weapon that pretty much got me every time. There was no reasonable counter because I didn't care enough about AR to spec in, but did fine versus GEK-38 and Duvolles with my preferred weapons. now that the Tac has been brought down, I still get smacked around with the tac, but more common use weapons have the floor now. People are going to ***** about mass drivers, but without the one-two punch of flux grenades they are more or less worthless versus the current meta of caldari logi suits. So the "noobtube" isn't a huge concern. The flaylock requires you to be able to lead a target flawlessly because a simple misjudgment of distance lands the shot ten feet behind the target. Plus shields don't get punked as easily as armor does with them. The HMG is a weapon for the patient and murderously coldblooded of discipline right now because it's still not an easy kill gun because of limitations of the fatsuits. Forge guns... Yeah people will never stop complaining about forge guns because Damn, they're too fun to smite people with even though for average attacks it takes a full clip to kill someone, and a lot of morbid humor to be patient enough to make it work. the list goes on. Now people are whingeing about the scrambler rifle. Since the TAC AR lost it's crown they have realized in the meta of shield tank > armor tank the scrambler is absolutely brutal. It was meant to butcher shields. If armor didn't suck it would be less effective against half the race dropsuits. the list goes on, but I'm bored. moving along now. TL;DR: No One Loves You (NOLY)
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 511	Posted - 2013.07.01 09:03:00 - [38] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: . . By your reckoning, if the AR is 90% of the weapons on the battlefield, is it OP then, even though it's the "comfort" weapon? Or is 75% the break point? All I'm saying is there is such a break point, even for the AR. . . If ARs are, for example, 90% of all used weapons then: Yes, weapon alternatives should be made more attractive or otherwise balanced. But still ARs aren't necessarily OP. I think we have slightly different definition of OP. I still think if comparing two things intended for same purpose and there's no sense to use one then the other is OP.
Operative 1171 Aajli D3LTA ACADEMY 38	Posted - 2013.07.01 14:42:00 - [39] - Quote OP is what players say when they are observing actual game play balance and worrying about the product instead of fronting their e-peens. If most players you come across are using some FOTM weapon or spamming stuff then it is OP, destroys variety and diminishes the quality of gameplay. If you are looking at the product and the revenue then you'd better add OP to your vocabulary. Otherwise, you'll be dealing with the 2k or so player base that this game is averaging right now.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 23	Posted - 2013.07.01 14:57:00 - [40] - Quote once again... the Tamsen

Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 56	Posted - 2013.07.01 15:17:00 - [41] - Quote I like the fact no one needed to specify we were going to talk about Flaylocks hehe...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4224	Posted - 2013.07.01 15:28:00 - [42] - Quote So then it's safe to say that LAVs are OP? Cuz I see at least 8 LAVs per match, even in ambush, and usually more, with no less than 4 on the field at any given time. Saw a kid go 27/0 in his LLAV last night. L O L
Captain Wontubulous Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 0	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:36:00 - [43] - Quote Awesome post, thanks for leading me here. +1
Michael Arck sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 68	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:37:00 - [44] - Quote Good stuff
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1477	Posted - 2013.08.08 00:16:00 - [45] - Quote For those of you still confused.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 160	Posted - 2013.08.08 00:43:00 - [46] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: OP used logic! Its not effective at all. Sorry bro, this forum does not accept logic. Agreed. It will fry their clones. Stop. The op used logic, nerf his thinking abilities kthxbye
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 359	Posted - 2013.08.08 00:44:00 - [47] - Quote Cosgar wrote: And by this definition the elephant in the room is OP right now Plasma Rifles. (AR) Not because there's anything wrong with the AR, it's actually right where it needs to be in damage in range. I think the BPR should be taken from that line to become a ROF Caldari Guass Rifle, but I digress... Anyway, my point is, every other weapon needs to be buffed (in damage, splash radius, or range) up a bit so that it can compete with the PR. Right now, they're all just novelties. Fixed
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 359	Posted - 2013.08.08 00:45:00 - [48] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So then it's safe to say that LAVs are OP? Cuz I see at least 8 LAVs per match, even in ambush, and usually more, with no less than 4 on the field at any given time. Saw a kid go 27/0 in his LLAV last night. L O L Nope, ramming is OP, and will be fixed. LLV's are horribly underpowered for their intended purpose.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 89	Posted - 2013.08.08 11:54:00 - [49] - Quote We need more logic! Yeah right; doesn't seem like people here accept logic.


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