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Nstomper
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.09 23:56:00 -
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Thinking of the new people here, people have been saying that they want this game to be fair and as of now it isnt fair for the new people because they'd just be getting Stomped, so instead of a respec how about a reset? Would make everything fair and less pubstomping. Also with an increase sp payout after matches like 10-15k sp out after every match here is why right now that bonus sp available thing does not give you much sp especially when that bonus runs out when that happens we get low sp payout which is like what 335sp? that seriously isnt enough and it will take forever to spec into a skill and to me that is a problem |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:02:00 -
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VLIGHT5
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:04:00 -
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Honestly, I'm kind of in favor of this. Beta is beta is beta. It honestly doesn't really make much sense to allow people who have been playing all this time to jump right in with thousands of brand news players.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people keeping what they earn, but in this particular case it just seems new players will be outclassed to a ridiculous extent and won't want to stick.
Just my opinion of course. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:04:00 -
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Too late for that, too many people invested too many hours based on an official statement CCP gave that there would be no resets. It would be most unwise for them to go back on that. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
281
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:07:00 -
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And then we do it again in another 3 months? Without addressing the real problem, today's newberries would just be tomorrow's pubstompers. |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:07:00 -
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uncap SP
characters grow wider not taller in DUST515
Eventually everybody gets lvl 5 skills. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:08:00 -
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Yo N I know your heart is in the right place here and Fig a way to bring in new players with out pitting them against us vets to be stomped should be something looked at, but a reset is a no go.
One thing to look at why would be the SP Boosters. If CCP reset us then we would want our AUR back for every booster we ever used in this game up to now and that just wont fly.
Keep up the work man on thinking of ways to make this game better for the Noobs |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:09:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Too late for that, too many people invested too many hours based on an official statement CCP gave that there would be no resets. It would be most unwise for them to go back on that. Yes but there has been many people asking for a respec which ccp also said they wouldnt doso it would be unwise for them to do that also. But who cares if you've been playing for alot longer than the new people the vets need to stop being selfish and need to start thinking about the new people |
Naweedd
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:10:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Thinking of the new people here, people have been saying that they want this game to be fair and as of now it isnt fair for the new people because they'd just be getting Stomped, so instead of a respec how about a reset? Would make everything fair and less pubstomping. Also with an increase sp payout after matches like 10-15k sp out after every match here is why right now that bonus sp available thing does not give you much sp especially when that bonus runs out when that happens we get low sp payout which is like what 335sp? that seriously isnt enough and it will take forever to spec into a skill and to me that is a problem
No problem! I agree, if u pay back our boosters costs? And give back al that time we spend to get those sp points? This is no COD, maybe u should play more wisely with squad and corp, and PRACTICE A LOT OF HOURS, just like we al had to do ;)
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Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:11:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:uncap SP
characters grow wider not taller in DUST515
Eventually everybody gets lvl 5 skills. Yeah no that would be going to far now |
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Nstomper
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:11:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:And then we do it again in another 3 months? Without addressing the real problem, today's newberries would just be tomorrow's pubstompers. No not every 3 just once on the 14 since it is launch |
inohahna mamotto
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:19:00 -
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I kind of agree but i have my worries |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:21:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Too late for that, too many people invested too many hours based on an official statement CCP gave that there would be no resets. It would be most unwise for them to go back on that. Yes but there has been many people asking for a respec which ccp also said they wouldnt doso it would be unwise for them to do that also. But who cares if you've been playing for alot longer than the new people the vets need to stop being selfish and need to start thinking about the new people Not true at all. All CCP ever said is they would never reset your skill points to 0 (or 500,000). They have been on the record several times saying they never ruled out a respec if a situation called for it.
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ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:22:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Thinking of the new people here, people have been saying that they want this game to be fair and as of now it isnt fair for the new people because they'd just be getting Stomped, so instead of a respec how about a reset? Would make everything fair and less pubstomping. Also with an increase sp payout after matches like 10-15k sp out after every match here is why right now that bonus sp available thing does not give you much sp especially when that bonus runs out when that happens we get low sp payout which is like what 335sp? that seriously isnt enough and it will take forever to spec into a skill and to me that is a problem
Why is it always the bad players who give bad Feedback. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
278
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:23:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Thinking of the new people here, people have been saying that they want this game to be fair and as of now it isnt fair for the new people because they'd just be getting Stomped, so instead of a respec how about a reset? Would make everything fair and less pubstomping. Also with an increase sp payout after matches like 10-15k sp out after every match here is why right now that bonus sp available thing does not give you much sp especially when that bonus runs out when that happens we get low sp payout which is like what 335sp? that seriously isnt enough and it will take forever to spec into a skill and to me that is a problem
I been trying to fight this fight. The nerds that are nothing without advantages over others come in and cry. I got 10.5M SP and still think starting from scratch would be the best thing as far as over all fairness. |
VLIGHT5
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:24:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:Nstomper wrote:Thinking of the new people here, people have been saying that they want this game to be fair and as of now it isnt fair for the new people because they'd just be getting Stomped, so instead of a respec how about a reset? Would make everything fair and less pubstomping. Also with an increase sp payout after matches like 10-15k sp out after every match here is why right now that bonus sp available thing does not give you much sp especially when that bonus runs out when that happens we get low sp payout which is like what 335sp? that seriously isnt enough and it will take forever to spec into a skill and to me that is a problem Why is it always the bad players who give bad Feedback.
Elitist prick, gtfo |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
904
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:27:00 -
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There will be no reset. Respec maybe, but not reset. Too many people have put too much time into dust since the LAST reset was announced way back when, and don't use the 'think of the new people' excuse, there will always BE new people. 6 months down the road are people going to say 'how about a reset because of the new people?'......rinse and repeat another 6 months on, and so forth. It's an online game. Like many other online games there's always going to be new people (wow, DCUO, bf3, arma, guild wars etc) are a prime example. PLEASE stop requesting resets because its getting ridiculous now. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
281
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:27:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Abron Garr wrote:And then we do it again in another 3 months? Without addressing the real problem, today's newberries would just be tomorrow's pubstompers. No not every 3 just once on the 14 since it is launch
If we knew CCP was working on matchmaking or PvE and we all got a full Aurum refund, I wouldn't be against it. It would be annoying, but I'd understand. However, if we just reset SP without laying the groundwork for militia-only fights or decent PvE, I guarantee you we would be seeing threads just like this in less than three months as newer players sign up for Dust. The problem is how does CCP encourage new players without holding their hand?
Militia-only fights PvE Organized corp battles Minimizing some of the SP sinks |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
270
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:33:00 -
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CCP said "no more resets" in order to get people to play during Open Beta, taking that Sp away would be the stupidest thing they could do.
"Hey, thanks for wasting your time, but... no, yeah, that's all we wanted to say." |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:33:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Nstomper wrote:Abron Garr wrote:And then we do it again in another 3 months? Without addressing the real problem, today's newberries would just be tomorrow's pubstompers. No not every 3 just once on the 14 since it is launch If we knew CCP was working on matchmaking or PvE and we all got a full Aurum refund, I wouldn't be against it. It would be annoying, but I'd understand. However, if we just reset SP without laying the groundwork for militia-only fights or decent PvE, I guarantee you we would be seeing threads just like this in less than three months as newer players sign up for Dust. The problem is how does CCP encourage new players without holding their hand? Militia-only fights PvE Organized corp battles Minimizing some of the SP sinks You should Check this out https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74975 |
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Naweedd
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:36:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Nstomper wrote:Thinking of the new people here, people have been saying that they want this game to be fair and as of now it isnt fair for the new people because they'd just be getting Stomped, so instead of a respec how about a reset? Would make everything fair and less pubstomping. Also with an increase sp payout after matches like 10-15k sp out after every match here is why right now that bonus sp available thing does not give you much sp especially when that bonus runs out when that happens we get low sp payout which is like what 335sp? that seriously isnt enough and it will take forever to spec into a skill and to me that is a problem I been trying to fight this fight. The nerds that are nothing without advantages over others come in and cry. I got 10.5M SP and still think starting from scratch would be the best thing as far as over all fairness.
Its not bout advantage is about all the time (nd boostmoney) we spend on it all those weeks, i can't just trow it away ?!? Mayb let newbs that registrated after specific date, give a x2/2.5 higher skill cap every week too give them a little boost? Or give new players a month/6weeks extra boost, with displayed timer offcourse, from day they make ther char?
Yes my english writing skills arent so good im dutch but i'm doing my best ;P
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Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:37:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:There will be no reset. Respec maybe, but not reset. Too many people have put too much time into dust since the LAST reset was announced way back when, and don't use the 'think of the new people' excuse, there will always BE new people. 6 months down the road are people going to say 'how about a reset because of the new people?'......rinse and repeat another 6 months on, and so forth. It's an online game. Like many other online games there's always going to be new people (wow, DCUO, bf3, arma, guild wars etc) are a prime example. PLEASE stop requesting resets because its getting ridiculous now. Yea yea my bad for thinking about OTHER people and not just myself i have alot of sp and im not being selfish , dcuo pay to win , bf3 anyone could beast from the start but that isnt dust pubstomings will happen more often if you respecers win |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
271
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:40:00 -
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Quote:the vets need to stop being selfish and need to start thinking about the new people Yeah, those new people aren't worth getting 3 months of my life deleted. Most people here played specifically because CCP said there would be no more resets, nothing else.
CCP needs to find an actual solution to the problem instead of just sweeping it under the rug every 3 months. |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:47:00 -
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Dont know where you guys are getting your thoughts that i want there to be a sp reset every 3 months i just want ONE reset on the 14th since its launch |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
196
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:47:00 -
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I hope they do a reset.
They started this slow decline so instead of a slow death might as well save us all a lot of time and just kill the game quick.
Yes CCP please just reset. |
Naweedd
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:54:00 -
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No body saw my quote?? Give newbs boost to equallize with us a bitwould be better than reset al the time/money we spend on |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:56:00 -
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Naweedd wrote:No body saw my quote?? Give newbs boost to equallize with us a bitwould be better than reset al the time/money we spend on My bad just now read it |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
272
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:57:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Dont know where you guys are getting your thoughts that i want there to be a sp reset every 3 months i just want ONE reset on the 14th since its launch and an increae in sp payout after matches 10-15k out after each match is what i want that and one reset This problem will pop up every 3 months because there will always be newbs, just like there will always be people in protogear.
And if it's selfish of me to ask that time not be wasted, then it's selfish for new players to ask that my time be wasted just so they can stand a chance. If they didn't want to get stomped by people in protogear, then why weren't they out their grinding during Open Beta? We pent time on this game, they didn't. This is either unfair to us or to them, but nothing about this situation is "fair" |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
272
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:59:00 -
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New players should just start out with a 4 mill SP hardcap, with a 2x SP earning rate during that time. |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.05.10 00:59:00 -
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The problem is, as much as everyone talks about a big open sandbox, matches will always be within a tiny confined one of 16v16, 24v24 etc. Right now, as mentioned, there is nothing for new players to do other than to fall prey to the high SP guys. Unfortunately, this is not something that a reset will fix as its not like there will only be one time that new players will come into the game. We cant do a reset every time someone complains that they are getting beat up by higher tier players.
What CCP needs to do is think of a way where higher tier players have their own missions where they are a part of and others that are designed specifically for newberries. Think of it as newbs being your grunt soldiers and vets are your special forces.
I dont have the answer but something does need to be done to broaden the game. |
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Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:00:00 -
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+1 naweed |
DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
206
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:02:00 -
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We need a lot more than matchmaking to get new players to stay. It'd certainly help, though. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
279
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:02:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Nstomper wrote:Dont know where you guys are getting your thoughts that i want there to be a sp reset every 3 months i just want ONE reset on the 14th since its launch and an increae in sp payout after matches 10-15k out after each match is what i want that and one reset This problem will pop up every 3 months because there will always be newbs, just like there will always be people in protogear. And if it's selfish of me to ask that time not be wasted, then it's selfish for new players to ask that my time be wasted just so they can stand a chance. If they didn't want to get stomped by people in protogear, then why weren't they out their grinding during Open Beta? We pent time on this game, they didn't. This is either unfair to us or to them, but nothing about this situation is "fair"
Never been apart of a BETA CLEARLY. |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:03:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:The problem is, as much as everyone talks about a big open sandbox, matches will always be within a tiny confined one of 16v16, 24v24 etc. Right now, as mentioned, there is nothing for new players to do other than to fall prey to the high SP guys. Unfortunately, this is not something that a reset will fix as its not like there will only be one time that new players will come into the game. We cant do a reset every time someone complains that they are getting beat up by higher tier players.
What CCP needs to do is think of a way where higher tier players have their own missions where they are a part of and others that are designed specifically for newberries. Think of it as newbs being your grunt soldiers and vets are your special forces.
I dont have the answer but something does need to be done to broaden the game. And im not saying i want a reset for everytime someone complains i keeo saying i only want one on the 14th since its launch |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
394
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:03:00 -
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Maybe if we had a better matchmaking system in the game |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:05:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Nstomper wrote:Dont know where you guys are getting your thoughts that i want there to be a sp reset every 3 months i just want ONE reset on the 14th since its launch and an increae in sp payout after matches 10-15k out after each match is what i want that and one reset This problem will pop up every 3 months because there will always be newbs, just like there will always be people in protogear. And if it's selfish of me to ask that time not be wasted, then it's selfish for new players to ask that my time be wasted just so they can stand a chance. If they didn't want to get stomped by people in protogear, then why weren't they out their grinding during Open Beta? We pent time on this game, they didn't. This is either unfair to us or to them, but nothing about this situation is "fair" Never been apart of a BETA CLEARLY.
I dont think its the problem of it being a BETA. The difference here is that with most console BETAs, you are playing at max a month or two and then get the full game. People have been playing for a long time. That aside, it still doesnt address the issue of what to do with new guys as it wont just be at release when you get people coming into the game.
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Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
170
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:07:00 -
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uncap the SP and allow new players to power grind
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NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
272
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:09:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Never been apart of a BETA CLEARLY. Our Beta would not have had the numbers it did if CCP hadn't specifically said that their would be no more resets. Vets would have just stopped playing and then returned for commercial release. CCP used the fact that there would be no more resets as it's drawing point, obviously all the AFKers are proof that CCP's plan worked... sort of
Edit: Again, there would be no problem if CCP hadn't used SP to get people to keep playing the beta. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
272
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:12:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:Maybe if we had a better matchmaking system in the game It would be easier to just set up tiers with gear restrictions. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
39
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:33:00 -
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Matchmaking IS a solution but, unfortunately, it is not one that is likely to be implemented within the next 5 days.
I understand why long tem vets would not want to lose all the stuff they've earned and, while it is admirable that CCP will likely stick to they're promise of no reset, I do believe that it is a decision that will ultimately hinder the potential success of their game.
I won't be "that guy" and say that not reseting after the Beta will kill the game, I just think that it will prevent it from becoming as successful as it could be, if they were to wipe everyone (and provide a full Aurum refund, of couse) prior to launch.
I think it will mean the difference between Dust becoming a very good game, or a GREAT game.
By letting the beta testers keep their stuff, they are catering to a relatively small number of hardcore players, at the at the expense of a potentially huge number of new players who will likely be become discouraged and frustrated at being thrown into matches against obviously more organized, pre-existing corporations full of more experienced, higher-skilled, pre-levelled players in far superior gear.
To me, this situation doesn't make for a very good first impression for the games launch. I predict a sudden surge in the population when the game goes "live", and then an equally rapid decline since, as a free game, there is no monetary commitment to encourage these new players to stick with it past their first, inevitably poor, impression. Many will feel intimidated by the apparent odds stacked against them and, realizing just how much grind and "work" this game involves to even begin to overcome these odds, will simply delete it and move on to something else.
Long story short: I honestly don't think CCP will go back on their word, and reset everyone at launch, but I truly believe that a full reset is absolutely necessary for the game to reach it's full potential.
It's too bad, because this could become a GREAT game, rather than just a very good one.
Too bad, because it could be a GREAT game, instead of just a very good one. |
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