DUST Search - Why does Scout only get one equipment slot?

ARF 1049 wrote:

in my eyes there are 6 types of freakin scout on this game!!!

flanker: a less common type carries drop uplink his own armor rep in low slot and uses shotgun and SMG or scrambler pistol goes around and slams into them while your team advances on your position closing the gap while the enemy is distracted

recon: goes through and spots enemies rarely ever used, carries shotgun or SMG's normally active scanner or droplinks doesn't actually fight just gets a spawn position and then watches for enemies while squad spawns in

blind spot rusher: does a form of flanking but shield tanks more often then not runs around into a blind spot and normally does a suicide run at the very last moment when the team is advancing to deal a crushing blow to the enemy while your team finishes them off at your expense.

sniper: umm... duh sniping carries nanohives and sniper rifle pre-patch used a type II scout

cost runner: tanks in a prototype suit with a powerful assault rifle normally stays near the squad and provides rushing, espionage, and sentinel support.

assassin: the rare knife runner kind of a lone wolf of sorts runs fast, fights hard, runs away faster, also uses shotgun and appears out of the sky and kills and disapears as fast as they could normally using a double backing technique

well that i my summary i have run all of them accept the cost runner but this is my summary so umm i think the specialty roles should have extra equipment slots... since there is so much SP cost for them >_>


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Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 171	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:42:00 - [1] - Quote This has been bothering me. I can understand why Assault only gets one because they should be more focused on killing, but for scout it makes no sense. They should have at least 2. Here's why. Scouts have very low hit points, only a few shots and you're dead. They are not supposed to be engaging in much combat. So you're sneaking around all over the place and you get behind the enemies, now what? Scouts in real life carry a good bunch of gadgets with them, and in video games stealth gameplay is usually always accompanied with an assortment of gadgets. But scout can only carry one? The active scanner seems like it would be a scouts best friend, but if you carry that you can't really do anything. You just get behind lines and sit there. So a second equipment slot to carry an uplink would make sense. Maybe there is some reason I'm missing, but it just doesn't seem very scout-like to only carry one piece of equipment around with you. Right now they are more hit-and-run assassins than scouts.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 171	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:50:00 - [2] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: You're a scout. Why do you need two? Let the Logi carry the equipment, you just focus on your speed and your shotty. Because that's not a scout, that's an assassin. I use the equipment slot for an active scanner to help me scout out the area, but once I get behind enemy lines I can't really help my team any more than a simply waiting for one guy to leave the heard and quickly pick him off. One way that really helps give the scout a beneficial role to the team is uplinks, sneak back there and insert your team into a tactical position. It just seems a bit illogical that if you want to do one of the few things a SCOUT can do to help you must sacrifice any equipment that will help make you a scout. Again emphasis on SCOUT, not the assassin which this suit is better fitted for. I'm not saying give the scout 4 equipment slots like a logi, 2 is all that is really needed. Before Uprising scouts had this and it was perfect, I didn't see it get abused like all the assault players who were doing a better job at logistics than logistics.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 171	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:52:00 - [3] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Besides, what you're describing is a lone wolf scenario. Active scanner to warn you of baddies and an uplink to spawn back at your favorite camp spot. This game attempts to look down at the lone wolf and give the teamplayers bonuses. If you want to go out alone, you have to deal with the little equipment / limited ammo / 0 survivability. If you want to travel in a group, enjoy your reps / ammo / spawns / meatshields / communication / verbal abuse. It's not lone wolf at all. The uplink is to get your team into position, not to get back to your camping spot. Scouts can't even camp, they have to be on the move at all times because of their low health. What I'm suggesting is making the scout more of a team player. Yes he would often travel alone because it's easier for enemies to spot groups, but he would still be working for the team and not himself.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 171	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:57:00 - [4] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Besides, what you're describing is a lone wolf scenario. Active scanner to warn you of baddies and an uplink to spawn back at your favorite camp spot. This game attempts to look down at the lone wolf and give the teamplayers bonuses. If you want to go out alone, you have to deal with the little equipment / limited ammo / 0 survivability. If you want to travel in a group, enjoy your reps / ammo / spawns / meatshields / communication / verbal abuse. It's not lone wolf at all. The uplink is to get your team into position, not to get back to your camping spot. Scouts can't even camp, they have to be on the move at all times because of their low health. What I'm suggesting is making the scout more of a team player. Yes he would often travel alone because it's easier for enemies to spot groups, but he would still be working for the team and not himself. While the intention is good, I can just see this becoming Sniper514. Snipers don't win the war. And they already removed the peak in Manus Peak. There's really not many good spots for snipers to go to that can't be easily accessed by the enemies, and there's now plenty of cover to block their field of view. The positives outweigh the negatives in this situation.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 171	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:02:00 - [5] - Quote Dazereth the 2nd wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: This has been bothering me. I can understand why Assault only gets one because they should be more focused on killing, but for scout it makes no sense. They should have at least 2. Here's why. Scouts have very low hit points, only a few shots and you're dead. They are not supposed to be engaging in much combat. So you're sneaking around all over the place and you get behind the enemies, now what? Scouts in real life carry a good bunch of gadgets with them, and in video games stealth gameplay is usually always accompanied with an assortment of gadgets. But scout can only carry one? The active scanner seems like it would be a scouts best friend, but if you carry that you can't really do anything. You just get behind lines and sit there. So a second equipment slot to carry an uplink would make sense. Maybe there is some reason I'm missing, but it just doesn't seem very scout-like to only carry one piece of equipment around with you. Right now they are more hit-and-run assassins than scouts. Was a scout sniper in real life bro, we carried a radio, range finder and a kit to make a hide site. Thats it. Go on somewhere with that argument. THe only people who need equip slots are logi. I'm not talking about scout snipers though. That's more of a marksmen anyways. I'm talking about the people who actually sneak into enemy bases and infiltrate and all that good stuff (which is what the current Scout specialization is supposed to be for).
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 171	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:06:00 - [6] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Besides, what you're describing is a lone wolf scenario. Active scanner to warn you of baddies and an uplink to spawn back at your favorite camp spot. This game attempts to look down at the lone wolf and give the teamplayers bonuses. If you want to go out alone, you have to deal with the little equipment / limited ammo / 0 survivability. If you want to travel in a group, enjoy your reps / ammo / spawns / meatshields / communication / verbal abuse. It's not lone wolf at all. The uplink is to get your team into position, not to get back to your camping spot. Scouts can't even camp, they have to be on the move at all times because of their low health. What I'm suggesting is making the scout more of a team player. Yes he would often travel alone because it's easier for enemies to spot groups, but he would still be working for the team and not himself. While the intention is good, I can just see this becoming Sniper514. Yea because logis cant use snipers, right? Great point, plus the Amarr logi gets a side arm so that would be the ideal for anyone who wants to be a sniper right now. Giving the scout a second equipment slot wouldn't harm anything.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 171	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:25:00 - [7] - Quote Dazereth the 2nd wrote: I get your point and all, but balance is what worries me. Logis are the equipment dudes, I'd only be ok if it were proto scout suit. Well yes when I talk about what suits get I'm usually implying the proto suit, though I wouldn't be opposed to standard and advanced scouts getting it either. Logis are still going to be the equipment dudes, scouts would only get 2. Logis get 4 equipments slots. Do you think everyone else should be limited to only 1? 1 makes sense on assaults, 0 makes sense on sentinels, but 1 does not make sense on scouts.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 175	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:54:00 - [8] - Quote Variety is supposed to be done via specializations. So there really is nothing holding CCP back from making a new light frame specialization that gets two primaries at the cost of modules, like the Black Eagle suit (which is no longer black!)
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 176	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:47:00 - [9] - Quote NewOldMan wrote: Scouts give up the other equipment slots for more speed and high shield regen. Logis give up speed for more slots. Assaults are a middle ground. (1 equipment for a more tuned focus for combat) Heavies are meaty tanks. You have to live to your own little roles, You wouldnt be running so fast and be so undetectable with another equipment slot. (scan profile and all) Also, where would you find the CPU and PG to fit it? Uplinks and Scanners are some of the more fitting intensive equipments you can use. If i remember my stats correctly, a scanner and an uplink would take up 2/3's of a scout's PG. Let alone modules, weapon, and grenades. Well Iron Wolf Saber of the CPM was talking about modifying the specialized roles and in there was giving scouts 2 equipment pieces. Also note that all of the scouts CPU/PG would be devoted to essentially these two equipment slots. At least, that's how I played last build. Scouts don't need strong weapons or very many modules (they don't get many to begin with!) All they need is the two equipment slots, they're fast and undetectable enough as is and don't need much assistance from high/low slots there.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 182	Posted - 2013.05.10 13:07:00 - [10] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: in my eyes there are 6 types of freakin scout on this game!!! flanker: a less common type carries drop uplink his own armor rep in low slot and uses shotgun and SMG or scrambler pistol goes around and slams into them while your team advances on your position closing the gap while the enemy is distracted recon: goes through and spots enemies rarely ever used, carries shotgun or SMG's normally active scanner or droplinks doesn't actually fight just gets a spawn position and then watches for enemies while squad spawns in blind spot rusher: does a form of flanking but shield tanks more often then not runs around into a blind spot and normally does a suicide run at the very last moment when the team is advancing to deal a crushing blow to the enemy while your team finishes them off at your expense. sniper: umm... duh sniping carries nanohives and sniper rifle pre-patch used a type II scout cost runner: tanks in a prototype suit with a powerful assault rifle normally stays near the squad and provides rushing, espionage, and sentinel support. assassin: the rare knife runner kind of a lone wolf of sorts runs fast, fights hard, runs away faster, also uses shotgun and appears out of the sky and kills and disapears as fast as they could normally using a double backing technique well that i my summary i have run all of them accept the cost runner but this is my summary so umm i think the specialty roles should have extra equipment slots... since there is so much SP cost for them >_> You see, this is the problem. People are using "light frame" and "scout" like they are one and the same. Scout is a specialization off of the light frame, they are different. Quite frankly a lot of these roles you mentioned aren't a scout. So to make this point again, I am suggesting the SCOUT gets 2 equipment slots, not the light frame. And later on down the road they could add more specializations for the light frame that better fits that fast-assault player that most people in light frames use it for at the moment (because it's all the suit is fitted for at the moment).

Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 184	Posted - 2013.05.10 13:53:00 - [11] - Quote Question, why would a scout use an active scanner? Shouldn't the scouts passive scanner be good enough to pick up most other players naturally? Even since they nerfed the scout further to only give them only slot for a precision enhancer, their scan precision should still be better than everyone else's profile signature. But of course there seems to be something wonky with the passive scanning not working right now. Also I know that everyone scanned with an active scanner gets placed on the teammate's radars as well, is this the same for passive scanning?
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 184	Posted - 2013.05.10 14:05:00 - [12] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Because my adv Amarr logi can carry two equipments. Yet gets a ton of mod slots and CPU/PG, scouts would not. We'd basically be limited to our two gadgets and put sacrifices on our weapons and ehp.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 184	Posted - 2013.05.10 14:22:00 - [13] - Quote If people are concerned about scout assuming the roles of logis, they could always make the CPU/PG even lower and give them reductions for infiltrator equipment (scanner, uplink, stealth, maybe remote explosives) so that if they try to equip something that you deem outside of their field of expertise they wouldn't have room to use the second equipment slot anyways. Though honestly with the current state of the scouts and their low armor/shields and pg/cpu I have no clue why the god logis would be afraid of us taking their spot with just 2 equipment.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 185	Posted - 2013.05.10 14:32:00 - [14] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: None of those actions hurt me but undermine my purpose on the battlefield, why would I run around with my logi if I could do this faster with a scout? Because the scout would only get 2 of these slots instead of 4, less high/low slots, and if the scout chose to put something in each equipment slot their low CPU/PG would force them to put severe sacrifices on their weapon and mods to help their low armor/shields. A logi would still be miles ahead in terms of providing equipment services to the team, the scout would merely have the ability to actually do something meaningful once they infiltrated an enemy base.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 186	Posted - 2013.05.10 14:53:00 - [15] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Proto logi on Amarr line get max 3 equipments, we trade equipment for the sidearm. You still get the much greater armor/shield and cpu/pg. Scout wouldn't be able to provide the same style of frontline service you do.