DUST Search - Tankers/Pilots bought mislabeled skills & deserve a respec.

Halador Osiris wrote:

I read the prerequisites and saw that I'd need dropsuit skills to put shield extenders on my ADS. I thought, Huh, that doesn't seem right, and proceeded to play the waiting game. Now today, they've fixed it. I'll go home, skill into shield extenders, and laugh at the rest of you. Patience pays off.

However, I had NO way of knowing about the vehicle engineering skills. Now I have 621K SP sunk into a relatively useless skill. I emailed CCP about it, and the response was as follows:

GM Charlie wrote:

Hello,

We can understand your frustration regarding the Vehicle Engineering skill, and apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Our DEV team is currently working on this, unfortunately for now we can only ask for your patience in this matter.

I am afraid we are unfortunately unable to provide any further re-spec to any character further to the one provided to you upon the release of the Uprising build which is the final re-spec prior to the game being released later this month.

Should you have any further questions regarding DUST 514, please don't hesitate to contact us again.

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Zombie Supreme D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 15	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:59:00 - [1] - Quote OK I'm a Shield tanker and have been suffering through, the glitches like the rest. I was dealing with it, because I was promised they would be fixed. So I wake up this morning and all my tank fittings say invalid fitting, skill prerequisite not met. Strange they all worked fine the other day. I have to go through each item to find out that my shield extender modules can't be used. CCP changed the skill requirements for them last night, now in order to use them I have to spend 370k sp, which I don't have. Silly me, I used my SP to spec'd into the skills the game told me I'd need to. Turns out now those SP were wasted, because CCP meant for you to use a different Skill. So I come on this site to see whats up, only to find out that CCP, despite their previous statement, (that Vehicle Engineering was glitched, wasn't giving you the correct 25% PG bonus and would be fixed shortly) had changed their mind and decided that "Vehicle Engineering" would now reduce the CPU cost of Powergrid modules! Why would anyone give a SHT about the cpu cost of Powergrid modules? The most expensive one costs 26 cpu, so at level 5, I save a whopping 5.2 CPU. NO ONE would EVER SKILL into level 5 of that. OH wait I did, because I thought I was getting a 25% PG bonus. So more wasted SP. If you had labeled everything properly I wouldn't of spec'd into shield tanking at all, or maybe even tanks. So basically we bought something that wasn't what we were told it was, and now we all want a refund in the form of an SP Respec.* Hell you might as well give everyone a do-over on May 14th, because even though their skills may of been labeled properly (not sure if that is actually true), I don't think that they would of spec'd into the same things either, if they knew how they worked after this update. PS I get you are nerfing everything across the board, but Nerfing PG for tanks wasn't the way to go. Nerf the damage, nerf the range, but nerfing the PG forces everyone to use the exact same loadout for each tank, in order to be effective on the battlefield. Besides giving us those garbage Enforcer Class HAV's instead of the Suyra/Sagaris wasn't a big enough nerf???
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1019	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:06:00 - [2] - Quote Vehicle users have been lied to on several skills along with stealth nerfs which were not in the patch notes either Its a dead specialization atm and we have lost all our SP aswell It will take 342k of SP to get my shields back, problem is i dont have that much SP left
Shley Ashes One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 6	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:14:00 - [3] - Quote After the new skill change for shield extenders on vehicles with its current description of " 3% reduction to vehicle shield extension modules per level " Why would I want to reduce the shield extender ? that is sarcasm fyi is it PG reduction or CPU or both or some magical stat ? I ask to please be refunded the skill points for the dropsuit shield extender skill or just a full respec, whichever is easiest
total masshole Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:18:00 - [4] - Quote and all their nerfing sht so they can draw in some phantom noob audience who won't play this game anyway... CCP is fking up hard
Sir Meode Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 487	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:20:00 - [5] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Vehicle users have been lied to on several skills along with stealth nerfs which were not in the patch notes either Its a dead specialization atm and we have lost all our SP aswell It will take 342k of SP to get my shields back, problem is i dont have that much SP left Shame on you for spending ALL your SP in the first few days of a new build, crazy really as every build has had issuse like these. Its like all those crazy people who have gone into shield suits, dont they realise the scrambler rifle is going to r*pe their face?
Kleanur Guy SyNergy Gaming EoN. 208	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:23:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Meode wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Vehicle users have been lied to on several skills along with stealth nerfs which were not in the patch notes either Its a dead specialization atm and we have lost all our SP aswell It will take 342k of SP to get my shields back, problem is i dont have that much SP left Shame on you for spending ALL your SP in the first few days of a new build, crazy really as every build has had issuse like these. Its like all those crazy people who have gone into shield suits, dont they realise the scrambler rifle is going to r*pe their face? Its a vehicle, not a dropsuit.
Zombie Supreme D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 15	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:27:00 - [7] - Quote Shley Ashes wrote: After the new skill change for shield extenders on vehicles with its current description of " 3% reduction to vehicle shield extension modules per level " Why would I want to reduce the shield extender ? that is sarcasm fyi is it PG reduction or CPU or both or some magical stat ? I ask to please be refunded the skill points for the dropsuit shield extender skill or just a full respec, whichever is easiest I assume that has a secret meaning only known to CCP. It needs to be a full respec, because there are many mislabeled skills. Vehicle Engineering being the most problematic and would've changed the whole way I spec'd into tanks.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 4	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:34:00 - [8] - Quote After realizing all of my dropships said the same exact thing, i looked at the skills required for my shield extenders (They are only the first version, not advanced) and sure enough it's claiming that my "Vehicle Shield Extension" Skill is at 0, when it's at 1 and i have already purchased and used the damn book 100 times, And the last thing I'm going to do is fly a damn Eryx or a Python with 1,200 shield hp. I was already fine, had the shield extender I's on a long time ago, and this morning it's acting like i don't have the skill, even when i purchase it again it still claims i don't have it. How the hell does a gm **** this skill up when it worked fine yesterday?
JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 416	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:35:00 - [9] - Quote KITTEN AMAZING THINKING CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH punishing the players for your own dumb mistakes. I skilled into the dropsuit shields from the vehicle menu, i thought it was just a dumb mistake in the title (surprise :o) so now they fixed that and i need to skill up into vehicle shields again while im a shield tanker. CCP please just put my damn sp into the vehicle shields, idgaf about infantry. tired of this crap /rant
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 4	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:37:00 - [10] - Quote Welll as i said above, vehicle shield extenders are also completely broken, because the skill "Vehicle Shield Extension" claims it's at 0 for everyone.

JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 416	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:44:00 - [11] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9jfJwhSQQ enough said
Zombie Supreme D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 15	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:51:00 - [12] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9jfJwhSQQ enough said LMAO
HelI Jumper Defensores Doctrina 3	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:51:00 - [13] - Quote Absolutely What are they thinking doing crap like that my dropship is absolutely worthless now without another dump of 500k sp So I'm grounded for 2 weeks
K9 Wez The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 27	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:55:00 - [14] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9jfJwhSQQ enough said +100000000000
JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 418	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:28:00 - [15] - Quote bump, the community and CCP needs to see this
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 207	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:39:00 - [16] - Quote Bump. There NEEDS to be a refund or respec on the 14th
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 58	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:41:00 - [17] - Quote Same thing happened to me this morning. i have to skill into to Gallente HAV again...
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 301	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:49:00 - [18] - Quote I read the prerequisites and saw that I'd need dropsuit skills to put shield extenders on my ADS. I thought, Huh, that doesn't seem right, and proceeded to play the waiting game. Now today, they've fixed it. I'll go home, skill into shield extenders, and laugh at the rest of you. Patience pays off. However, I had NO way of knowing about the vehicle engineering skills. Now I have 621K SP sunk into a relatively useless skill. I emailed CCP about it, and the response was as follows: GM Charlie wrote: Hello, We can understand your frustration regarding the Vehicle Engineering skill, and apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Our DEV team is currently working on this, unfortunately for now we can only ask for your patience in this matter. I am afraid we are unfortunately unable to provide any further re-spec to any character further to the one provided to you upon the release of the Uprising build which is the final re-spec prior to the game being released later this month. Should you have any further questions regarding DUST 514, please don't hesitate to contact us again.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1494	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:56:00 - [19] - Quote Inconvenience? Half a million sp in skills in a broken skill tree that I had to get to use vehicles properly and a skill description that blatantly lied about it's effect is not an inconvenience.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 207	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:58:00 - [20] - Quote gbghg wrote: Inconvenience? Half a million sp in skills in a broken skill tree that I had to get to use vehicles properly and a skill description that blatantly lied about it's effect is not an inconvenience. Exactly

JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 420	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:10:00 - [21] - Quote gbghg wrote: Inconvenience? Half a million sp in skills in a broken skill tree that I had to get to use vehicles properly and a skill description that blatantly lied about it's effect is not an inconvenience. word. Losing a lot of respect for CCP very quickly with this **. Punishing the customers for their ** ups.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2853	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:12:00 - [22] - Quote While I feel for you all, I wonder what made you think dropsuit skills were actually the proper prereqs for vehicle mods
The Cobra Commander Bojo's School of the Trades 8	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:19:00 - [23] - Quote gbghg wrote: Inconvenience? Half a million sp in skills in a broken skill tree that I had to get to use vehicles properly and a skill description that blatantly lied about it's effect is not an inconvenience. +1
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 433	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:25:00 - [24] - Quote +1 for more ranting Lets stop killing off the DS pilots.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 160	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:28:00 - [25] - Quote If anyone is given an option to respec, everyone should be given the option to respec. Outside of that, I agree
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 207	Posted - 2013.05.09 16:46:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: While I feel for you all, I wonder what made you think dropsuit skills were actually the proper prereqs for vehicle mods Umm because thats what the game said was needed to get shield extenders. Coupled with the fact ccp said nothing about it being a bug or glitch until they changed it. Oh yeah, how about the engineering skill that said it did the same thing as last build? We should have known it would be completely different as well?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2867	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:21:00 - [27] - Quote gbghg wrote: Inconvenience? Half a million sp in skills in a broken skill tree that I had to get to use vehicles properly and a skill description that blatantly lied about it's effect is not an inconvenience. In my case, the half-million SP that I want to reassign is literally more than 25% of my character's total SP. I'm speccing an alt for tanking, and only have 2 million SP total, with more than 500,000 "invested" in skills that literally offer me a grand total of ZERO benefit of ANY kind for my fitting. I could achieve a slightly better version of my fitting with 400,000 SP less than I currently have, if the information had been correct and I could have skilled into things which offer real benefits to my character instead of being worthless SP sinks.
Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 321	Posted - 2013.05.09 18:50:00 - [28] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: I read the prerequisites and saw that I'd need dropsuit skills to put shield extenders on my ADS. I thought, Huh, that doesn't seem right, and proceeded to play the waiting game. Now today, they've fixed it. I'll go home, skill into shield extenders, and laugh at the rest of you. Patience pays off. However, I had NO way of knowing about the vehicle engineering skills. Now I have 621K SP sunk into a relatively useless skill. I emailed CCP about it, and the response was as follows: GM Charlie wrote: Hello, We can understand your frustration regarding the Vehicle Engineering skill, and apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Our DEV team is currently working on this, unfortunately for now we can only ask for your patience in this matter. I am afraid we are unfortunately unable to provide any further re-spec to any character further to the one provided to you upon the release of the Uprising build which is the final re-spec prior to the game being released later this month. Should you have any further questions regarding DUST 514, please don't hesitate to contact us again. Thanks for punishing us for your mistakes. I'll be sure to spread this across the forums, twitter, red it, and Facebook.
Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 321	Posted - 2013.05.09 18:58:00 - [29] - Quote CCP is losing vets. How will they keep casuals?
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 97	Posted - 2013.05.09 18:59:00 - [30] - Quote they said their would be a fine line between vehicle and dropsuit skills, they messed up. then they come in separating the skills and not refunding them so all the SP I`ve been saving for top tier skills I gotta go back and use for mandatory shield skills again, CCP better fix this because this is no we didn`t look at what we were doing when we specced into he skills, this was a we looked and you cheated us, this needs to be the #1 respect skills because it was their fault and not ours.



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