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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1362
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Posted - 2013.05.27 02:28:00 -
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Same issue with minmatar scout.
I'm wasting flaylock rounds because I think I'm switching to my active scanner. |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
103
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Posted - 2013.05.27 11:12:00 -
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This sucks as a proto logi with 4 slots. Back in Chromosome the cursor didn't snap back when you released the analog stick. Now it does there's nothing worse than seeing your team get pelted and you lose thm because you can't select repair tool..and then you can't even revive them because revive doesn't work most the time. I would like to try pressing R2 to toggle the wheel on and off instead of having to hold it, using the R analog to select (without snapback!) and X to select. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
484
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Posted - 2013.05.27 15:46:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:This sucks as a proto logi with 4 slots. Back in Chromosome the cursor didn't snap back when you released the analog stick. Now it does there's nothing worse than seeing your team get pelted and you lose thm because you can't select repair tool..and then you can't even revive them because revive doesn't work most the time. I would like to try pressing R2 to toggle the wheel on and off instead of having to hold it, using the R analog to select (without snapback!) and X to select.
Bring back double tap or something, even up and down menu select would better then having to deal with this. It is really bad for logis. |
Azri Sarum
843 Boot Camp
20
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Posted - 2013.05.27 22:28:00 -
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Just scrap the whole equipment access concept and start again. We fight with the UI enough as is, we shouldn't have to 'aim' to get our equipment out, only to have it 'miss' and not get selected.
Once the menu is brought up have one equipment selected by default and let us cycle through them. Alternately put the equipment on cardinal directions (up/down/left/right) and a stick tilt fully in that direction closes the menu and selects that equipment.
That said, I still think you guys should move equipment over to the D-PAD. It goes largely unused most matches and is just begging to have equipment assigned to it. D-PAD up for repair tool, yes please.
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Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
485
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Posted - 2013.05.27 23:33:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:Just scrap the whole equipment access concept and start again. We fight with the UI enough as is, we shouldn't have to 'aim' to get our equipment out, only to have it 'miss' and not get selected.
Once the menu is brought up have one equipment selected by default and let us cycle through them. Alternately put the equipment on cardinal directions (up/down/left/right) and a stick tilt fully in that direction closes the menu and selects that equipment.
That said, I still think you guys should move equipment over to the D-PAD. It goes largely unused most matches and is just begging to have equipment assigned to it. D-PAD up for repair tool, yes please.
interesting idea. I think I would like that much better with the map / leader board select being the wheel instead. You don't use the map / leade rboards that much in game. |
Atikali Havendoorr
HERBGROWERS
16
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Posted - 2013.05.29 02:59:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:This sucks as a proto logi with 4 slots. Back in Chromosome the cursor didn't snap back when you released the analog stick. Now it does there's nothing worse than seeing your team get pelted and you lose thm because you can't select repair tool..and then you can't even revive them because revive doesn't work most the time. I would like to try pressing R2 to toggle the wheel on and off instead of having to hold it, using the R analog to select (without snapback!) and X to select.
Azri Sarum wrote:Just scrap the whole equipment access concept and start again. We fight with the UI enough as is, we shouldn't have to 'aim' to get our equipment out, only to have it 'miss' and not get selected.
Once the menu is brought up have one equipment selected by default and let us cycle through them. Alternately put the equipment on cardinal directions (up/down/left/right) and a stick tilt fully in that direction closes the menu and selects that equipment.
That said, I still think you guys should move equipment over to the D-PAD. It goes largely unused most matches and is just begging to have equipment assigned to it. D-PAD up for repair tool, yes please.
I like these ideas very much. |
Munin-Frey
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:54:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:Just scrap the whole equipment access concept and start again. We fight with the UI enough as is, we shouldn't have to 'aim' to get our equipment out, only to have it 'miss' and not get selected.
Once the menu is brought up have one equipment selected by default and let us cycle through them. Alternately put the equipment on cardinal directions (up/down/left/right) and a stick tilt fully in that direction closes the menu and selects that equipment.
That said, I still think you guys should move equipment over to the D-PAD. It goes largely unused most matches and is just begging to have equipment assigned to it. D-PAD up for repair tool, yes please.
This is a great idea. D-Pad for equipment selection please. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
78
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:03:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:Just scrap the whole equipment access concept and start again. We fight with the UI enough as is, we shouldn't have to 'aim' to get our equipment out, only to have it 'miss' and not get selected.
Once the menu is brought up have one equipment selected by default and let us cycle through them. Alternately put the equipment on cardinal directions (up/down/left/right) and a stick tilt fully in that direction closes the menu and selects that equipment.
That said, I still think you guys should move equipment over to the D-PAD. It goes largely unused most matches and is just begging to have equipment assigned to it. D-PAD up for repair tool, yes please.
This.
It would be nice not to have to wonder if my equipment will actually come out in the heat of battle. |
S Park Finner
BetaMax. CRONOS.
121
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:01:00 -
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With KB/M at least part of the problem is that moving the mouse in an arc moves the highlighted item around the wheel. If you have an item selected and twitch the mouse at all it can move to another selection.
When I have a problem selecting an item I let up on the middle mouse button and then move the mouse radially to the item I want. It works a lot of the time.
It seems that once there's an arc-like movement to the mouse the system gets confused and won't make the selection.
I vote for this scheme.
For weapon / Equipment selection/ Module activation
- middle mouse button to get weapon/equipment wheel
- current selection is highlighted when the wheel is displayed
- scroll up to move the selection counter clockwise around the wheel
- scroll down to move it clockwise
- when the middle mouse button is released switch to the selected item / activate the selected module.
Squad orders -- same as above but activated with a key on the keyboard followed by mouse wheel movement without pressing the middle mouse button. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
505
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Posted - 2013.06.01 18:07:00 -
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Getting frustrated when running proto logi, 4 equipment slots, have to overhold the button for it to even register and even then sometimes it does not. |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
112
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Posted - 2013.06.01 18:51:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:Running skinweave logi, Injector and repair tool. When Switching between, weapon, injector and repair tool, I have found that is does not allows take the input and have to sometime do it 2-3 times before it actually switches. And yes I am holding R2 long enough and selecting the slot. Will post any additional testing info. -Brush [email protected]
[ EX ] [ NAN ] [ INJ ] [ REP ]
That is my equipment set up left to right on my wheel, I am a GaLogi, I have it like this so a quick tap of the right joystick will take me to what I want. R2 RIGHT gives me remote explosive, R2 DOWN gives me nanohive, R2 LEFT gives me repair tool. The injector is in that position since I don't need to select it to use it and thats the hardest position to get to quickly. |
Turkevich
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
37
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Posted - 2013.06.03 20:15:00 -
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S Park Finner wrote:For weapon / Equipment selection/ Module activation
- middle mouse button to get weapon/equipment wheel
- current selection is highlighted when the wheel is displayed
- scroll up to move the selection counter clockwise around the wheel
- scroll down to move it clockwise
- when the middle mouse button is released switch to the selected item / activate the selected module.
Never, ever, map anything to a middle mouse button click. That is the dumbest button on the mouse and it should never have been created. It is way to easy to accidentally scroll the wheel while trying to click that damn thing or to accidentally release it while trying to click and scroll.
The objects/commands on the radial menu need to be bindable to keys and buttons period. Any other solution is pure garbage. I want a nanite injector on mouse button 3 and an uplink or hive on mouse button 4. Everything else should be tied to the number keys or be arbitrarily mappable.
This applies to controllers as well. Everything should be remappable to suit the user. This is 2013 for Christ sake not 1980.
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Pseudonym0
Free Guard of Arrakis
8
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Posted - 2013.06.13 23:19:00 -
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Turkevich wrote: Never, ever, map anything to a middle mouse button click. That is the dumbest button on the mouse and it should never have been created. It is way to easy to accidentally scroll the wheel while trying to click that damn thing or to accidentally release it while trying to click and scroll.
The objects/commands on the radial menu need to be bindable to keys and buttons period. Any other solution is pure garbage. I want a nanite injector on mouse button 3 and an uplink or hive on mouse button 4. Everything else should be tied to the number keys or be arbitrarily mappable.
This applies to controllers as well. Everything should be remappable to suit the user. This is 2013 for Christ sake not 1980.
Completely agreed, hotkeyed equipment slots would definitely be best for the KB/M users, as the current interface makes it virtually pointless to be a logi. Really, you've sacrificed a lot of SP over the standard medium frame, a weapon slot, movement speed, and shields/armor. If you can't heal or revive, your squad and team would be better off with another assault. If it takes about 15 seconds for a fallen ally to die on average, and 10 seconds to pull out my injector, then another 10 for it to work, if ever, the math just doesn't add up. The effect is equally frustrating on a 1 equipment slot suit (which I sometimes use as an alternate to my logi). Every time you try to go to your equipment slot it pulls your sidearm, even if it was already equipped.
If the devs insist on staying with the "weapon wheel" model, they should at the very least move the slots so equipment and weapons are well spaced from eachother, and have considerable spacing between the slots, at least improving the chances of selecting. Not sure this would help with the more populated wheel menus, though. Better yet, remove the weapons altogether, there's already a method for quick switching to a weapon.
Also have to add a vote for the idea of remappable controls (please ) |
Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
88
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Posted - 2013.06.14 01:54:00 -
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Sometimes when I swap to Remote/Proximity explosives, they just flat out don't show up, and I'm holding nothing in particular. Swapping weapons can sometimes not work, and sometimes, it'll swap to nothing like the Explosives. This can be a real pain in the arse when you swap to your secondary and you try and fire air... |
Mikey The Bandaid
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
10
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Posted - 2013.06.14 14:44:00 -
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I use a Caldari logi suit and have the same struggles switching equipement and switch back to my gun when I have equipment in hand. It's nearly impossible to select a piece of equipement quickly and when I try to switch back to my gun it takes like 4-5 seconds at times, usually resulting in death. I miss being able to flick my ability stick to quickly select something like I could in chromosome. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
555
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:29:00 -
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What additional data does CCP need on this? |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
87
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:34:00 -
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LXicon wrote:minmatar logi as well.
i think the issue stems from the fact that if you let go of the right stick, your selected item deselects. when you let go of R2 you are left with whatever item you had before. it's usually your gun, but i've had the same issue trying to switch back from repair tool to my gun.
please keep the selection on the last thing you selected with the right stick even if you let go of the right stick and it moves back to the center. exactly the selection is not "sticky" |
pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:11:00 -
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Notice it the most for diagonal selections. Kbm users cant "hold" a direction like a stick so we have to keep moving the mouse in the desired direction 2, 3, or even 4 times just to place a defend order.
Slow switching between shotgun and scrambler pistol is really a non option due to slow weapon switching on my scout. Seriously? He can sprint 10+ m/s but draws his sidearm as fast as Jack Black fished it out of his diaper in Tropic Thunder! |
Dustin Peril
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.06.19 04:15:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year Insane Infantry Push Amazing Night Battle Night to Day Canyon Battle Intense Field Battle Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air
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Harry Hendersons
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:14:00 -
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Irritating bug, needs a fix soonGäó |
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Yani Sing
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:01:00 -
[51] - Quote
Bump |
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CCP Hybrid
C C P C C P Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:17:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:What additional data does CCP need on this?
Hi,
Actually I think we have enough info now :) Thanks everyone for giving us feedback on the equipment switching. It's something that will be looked into in future updates :) |
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Absolute Idiom II
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
274
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Posted - 2013.07.29 11:19:00 -
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+1 on sticky selection when choosing an option on the wheel |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
150
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:23:00 -
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CCP Hybrid wrote:Brush Master wrote:What additional data does CCP need on this? Hi, Actually I think we have enough info now :) Thanks everyone for giving us feedback on the equipment switching. It's something that will be looked into in future updates :) any update on implementation? |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
143
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Posted - 2013.08.14 21:49:00 -
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It's fine if you hold R2 longer than half a second. |
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