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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:35:00 -
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Would I get the +5 HP bonus if I was crazy enough to spend 20 million SP on all 4? The idea of oneday having a base armor regen rate of 20HP/s seems somewhat interesting. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
578
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:39:00 -
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Racial skill only works on that race's suit. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
237
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:52:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Racial skill only works on that race's suit.
You sure? Because my Caldari logibro skills (shield module efficacy) seems to work on my Caldari basic suit. It has 540 shields and the skill is at level 3 atm, so it gives 15% more HP. Shield extender skill is at 5, that's 10%.
66*.25 + 66 = 82.5
82.5*4 extenders + 210 base HP = 540 HP
Also the passive armor repair skill also works. |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Racial skill only works on that race's suit.
I know, but on the skill you get the logi and the racial bonus. The logi bonus is the same across the board, 1HP per level. So, if I maxd all 4, I could have 4x logi bonus aka 20HP/s...maybe. :D |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
580
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:09:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Racial skill only works on that race's suit. You sure? Because my Caldari logibro skills (shield module efficacy) seems to work on my Caldari basic suit. It has 540 shields and the skill is at level 3 atm, so it gives 15% more HP. Shield extender skill is at 5, that's 10%. 66*.25 + 66 = 82.5 82.5*4 extenders + 210 base HP = 540 HP Also the passive armor repair skill also works. That's what I mean, a Caldari bonus only works on a Caldari suit. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
259
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:14:00 -
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I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
237
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:22:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Racial skill only works on that race's suit. You sure? Because my Caldari logibro skills (shield module efficacy) seems to work on my Caldari basic suit. It has 540 shields and the skill is at level 3 atm, so it gives 15% more HP. Shield extender skill is at 5, that's 10%. 66*.25 + 66 = 82.5 82.5*4 extenders + 210 base HP = 540 HP Also the passive armor repair skill also works. That's what I mean, a Caldari bonus only works on a Caldari suit.
I meant that the skill isn't specific to suit/race. I could use Minmatar assault suit and the Caldari logibro skill will affect the shield extenders even if they're equipped in a suit of different race.
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NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
254
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:36:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Racial skill only works on that race's suit. It's not a racial skill, it's a class/role bonus.
Still, I don't think they stack. |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:40:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cosgar wrote:Racial skill only works on that race's suit. It's not a racial skill, it's a class/role bonus.
Yeah, and I see no reason why it wouldn't accumulate if you were crazy enough to pour SP into all 4 dropsuit lines. :D With modules, a SuperLogi could have upward of 30HP/s regen. When you take into account the new armor variations that are coming, ferroscale plates that give you less HP but you donGÇÖt suffer the speed penalty and reactive plates that give you less HP but have an additional armor repair bonus, it's a curious thought. |
dullrust
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
6
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:49:00 -
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I was thinking the same thing the first time I saw the logi bonuses. I actually think it might work that way. The reason that it might is actually simple. It's says +1 HP repair to LOGISTICS SUIT. While the second bonus only refers to a specific races logistics suit. This also means NONE of these bonuses would work with anything other than a logistics suit. |
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
71
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:55:00 -
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dullrust wrote:I was thinking the same thing the first time I saw the logi bonuses. I actually think it might work that way. The reason that it might is actually simple. It's says +1 HP repair to LOGISTICS SUIT. While the second bonus only refers to a specific races logistics suit. This also means NONE of these bonuses would work with anything other than a logistics suit.
Suits m fine! I can see myself doing this, if this is the cas...as a long term goal of course. :D Haha I could drop shield mods too, which suits my EW aspirations. :D |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
237
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:00:00 -
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dullrust wrote:This also means NONE of these bonuses would work with anything other than a logistics suit.
False, please see my post above. My Caldari basic proto suit gets logibro skill effect on the modules.
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:00:00 -
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Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Amarr racial only works for Amarr suits, and so on. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
255
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:02:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:dullrust wrote:This also means NONE of these bonuses would work with anything other than a logistics suit. False, please see my post above. My Caldari basic proto suit gets logibro skill effect on the modules. Basic suits aren't affected at all, it even says so on their description. If it does, then that's a bug. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
238
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:11:00 -
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Oops I forgot about shield upgrades skill 5% max shields to dropsuit and Caldari logistics skill doesn't affect it so please disregard my post and no likes for me. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2838
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:44:00 -
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Question redefined so the people saying "hurr durr racial bonus only works on racial suits"
THEY AREN'T ASKING ABOUT THE RACIAL BONUS.
Example: Logistics.
NOT the racial bonus. Again, NOT THE RACIAL BONUS. THE LOGISTIC SUIT BONUS.
Logistics bonus: +1 HP/s. NOT THE RACIAL BONUSES.
Lets say I skill into both Amarr and Caldari Logistics suits to level 3. Obviously, the Armour Reparier bonus that's Amarr-specific doesn't carry over. And obviously, the Caldari bonus to Shield Extenders doesn't carry over. But we're STILL not talking about the racial bonuses. We're talking about the LOGISTICS SUIT BONUS OF +1 HP/s ARMOUR REPAIR PER LEVEL. Do I, when using the Caldari Logistics suit, get 3 or 6 HP/s armour repair when I have a total of 6 levels, 3 in each of two suits?
Now lets say I skill up to level 5 in Amarr Logistics. When I run my Caldari Logi suit, do I get 3, 5 or 8 HP/s?
I haven't tested this myself, but I'm relatively confident that the answer to my last question SHOULD be 5 HP/s, but I don't know what it IS. If anyone's tried anything that would answer this question, I'd love to know the result. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:50:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:If anyone's tried anything that would answer this question, I'd love to know the result. I may as well put those 60 SP into the Minmatar Logi and see if I get +2 on my Amarr suit, I'll try it out tomorrow. |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:50:00 -
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someone needs to be the guinea pig. (not me, I can't afford one specialty, much less two :() |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
71
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:09:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Question redefined so the people saying "hurr durr racial bonus only works on racial suits"
THEY AREN'T ASKING ABOUT THE RACIAL BONUS.
Example: Logistics.
NOT the racial bonus. Again, NOT THE RACIAL BONUS. THE LOGISTIC SUIT BONUS.
Logistics bonus: +1 HP/s. NOT THE RACIAL BONUSES.
Lets say I skill into both Amarr and Caldari Logistics suits to level 3. Obviously, the Armour Reparier bonus that's Amarr-specific doesn't carry over. And obviously, the Caldari bonus to Shield Extenders doesn't carry over. But we're STILL not talking about the racial bonuses. We're talking about the LOGISTICS SUIT BONUS OF +1 HP/s ARMOUR REPAIR PER LEVEL. Do I, when using the Caldari Logistics suit, get 3 or 6 HP/s armour repair when I have a total of 6 levels, 3 in each of two suits?
Now lets say I skill up to level 5 in Amarr Logistics. When I run my Caldari Logi suit, do I get 3, 5 or 8 HP/s?
I haven't tested this myself, but I'm relatively confident that the answer to my last question SHOULD be 5 HP/s, but I don't know what it IS. If anyone's tried anything that would answer this question, I'd love to know the result.
Finally someone gets it lol. My head will explode if this is true, which I'm sure my potential 20HP/s would heal.:D Can't wait to see this confirmed or shot down. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
111
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:12:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Question redefined so the people saying "hurr durr racial bonus only works on racial suits"
THEY AREN'T ASKING ABOUT THE RACIAL BONUS.
Example: Logistics.
NOT the racial bonus. Again, NOT THE RACIAL BONUS. THE LOGISTIC SUIT BONUS.
Logistics bonus: +1 HP/s. NOT THE RACIAL BONUSES.
Lets say I skill into both Amarr and Caldari Logistics suits to level 3. Obviously, the Armour Reparier bonus that's Amarr-specific doesn't carry over. And obviously, the Caldari bonus to Shield Extenders doesn't carry over. But we're STILL not talking about the racial bonuses. We're talking about the LOGISTICS SUIT BONUS OF +1 HP/s ARMOUR REPAIR PER LEVEL. Do I, when using the Caldari Logistics suit, get 3 or 6 HP/s armour repair when I have a total of 6 levels, 3 in each of two suits?
Now lets say I skill up to level 5 in Amarr Logistics. When I run my Caldari Logi suit, do I get 3, 5 or 8 HP/s?
I haven't tested this myself, but I'm relatively confident that the answer to my last question SHOULD be 5 HP/s, but I don't know what it IS. If anyone's tried anything that would answer this question, I'd love to know the result. Finally someone gets it lol. My head will explode if this is true, which I'm sure my potential 20HP/s would heal.:D Can't wait to see this confirmed or shot down.
If that worked across all classes, it would be interesting. For assaults, mastering all 4 racial suits would net a 100% bonus to shield recharge rate? That seems large.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2842
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:26:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:If that worked across all classes, it would be interesting. For assaults, mastering all 4 racial suits would net a 100% bonus to shield recharge rate? That seems large. But with 15 HP/s regen on Assault shields, that still leaves you only getting a bonus of 15 HP/s when Logis get 20 HP/s from maxing out all skills. |
trollface dot jpg
The Bacon Corporation
62
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Posted - 2013.05.09 08:42:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:If that worked across all classes, it would be interesting. For assaults, mastering all 4 racial suits would net a 100% bonus to shield recharge rate? That seems large. But with 15 HP/s regen on Assault shields, that still leaves you only getting a bonus of 15 HP/s when Logis get 20 HP/s from maxing out all skills. A fair gap considering the lower potential HP total of logibros (Caldari Logi not withstanding.... ) |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
147
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:04:00 -
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I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1103
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:10:00 -
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wow
this wasn't a troll post? |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
239
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:11:00 -
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What we know:
Why
- CCP dont count this like a bug (reported month ago) - CCP is silient about this -> as always when they want to keep feature and they dont want show misleading info/speculation go out. (If you carefuly read forums and watch patch notes U will see a lot of features that ppl - sream - about it .. and they put it in this build without word)
Dropsuits
Big frames: - for now only 1 type of suit - bonus weapon fedback (posibly at 100% from 4 wariants) Medium frames: logistic - +1HP to armor rate per lev... from 4 variants +20HP to overal armor rpair if maxed... and you use at last militia armor reaper ;) assault - +5% to shield regen per lev Small frame: - scouts get bonus to damp.
More thing that you dont see now: - skill up in racial to the lev of basic proto (huge SP invest... but :) ) - this is feature/bonus for long playing - after months you get extra small bonus.. that counts.
CU at battlefield.
P.S. Caldari logistic... will be great machine ;) Dont worry now.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2842
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:12:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) If you have one suit's skill at level 1 and the other at level 2, does the suit you skilled into at level 1 get the level 2 bonus? |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
147
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:30:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) If you have one suit's skill at level 1 and the other at level 2, does the suit you skilled into at level 1 get the level 2 bonus?
Posted a pic to my post.
http://eve-files.com/dl/262329
And I have both Min and Gal logi skills at lvl 1. They only give 1HP/s combined. Not 2HP/s as was suspect. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
239
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:35:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) If you have one suit's skill at level 1 and the other at level 2, does the suit you skilled into at level 1 get the level 2 bonus? Posted a pic to my post. http://eve-files.com/dl/262329And I have both Min and Gal logi skills at lvl 1. They only give 1HP/s combined. Not 2HP/s as was suspect.
Can you make same pictures with 1 militia armor reps and seperatly with 2? |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1103
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:36:00 -
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throws up |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2844
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:39:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) If you have one suit's skill at level 1 and the other at level 2, does the suit you skilled into at level 1 get the level 2 bonus? Posted a pic to my post. http://eve-files.com/dl/262329And I have both Min and Gal logi skills at lvl 1. They only give 1HP/s combined. Not 2HP/s as was suspect. You said that. If you train one skill (the one you plan to use) up to level two, then look at the OTHER level 1 suit, can we see if the level 1 suit gets 1 or 2 HP/s (yes, I'm using you to do testing thanks) |
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Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
147
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:50:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) If you have one suit's skill at level 1 and the other at level 2, does the suit you skilled into at level 1 get the level 2 bonus? Posted a pic to my post. http://eve-files.com/dl/262329And I have both Min and Gal logi skills at lvl 1. They only give 1HP/s combined. Not 2HP/s as was suspect. You said that. If you train one skill (the one you plan to use) up to level two, then look at the OTHER level 1 suit, can we see if the level 1 suit gets 1 or 2 HP/s (yes, I'm using you to do testing thanks)
For that you would have to wait for day or two. |
Talruum Tezztarozza
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
94
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Posted - 2013.05.09 10:05:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) If you have one suit's skill at level 1 and the other at level 2, does the suit you skilled into at level 1 get the level 2 bonus? Posted a pic to my post. http://eve-files.com/dl/262329And I have both Min and Gal logi skills at lvl 1. They only give 1HP/s combined. Not 2HP/s as was suspect. You said that. If you train one skill (the one you plan to use) up to level two, then look at the OTHER level 1 suit, can we see if the level 1 suit gets 1 or 2 HP/s (yes, I'm using you to do testing thanks) For that you would have to wait for day or two.
This is interesting. Hope we get to see result soon |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
150
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Posted - 2013.05.09 10:08:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) If you have one suit's skill at level 1 and the other at level 2, does the suit you skilled into at level 1 get the level 2 bonus? Posted a pic to my post. http://eve-files.com/dl/262329And I have both Min and Gal logi skills at lvl 1. They only give 1HP/s combined. Not 2HP/s as was suspect. Can you make same pictures with 1 basic armor reps and seperatly with 2? (militia eq sometimes are broken)
THere you go: http://eve-files.com/dl/262330 (Unfortunately on same pic) |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
239
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Posted - 2013.05.09 10:22:00 -
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So... only we need is CPP statement ... works as intended |
Llan Heindell
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
61
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:08:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Jack Boost wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:I can now sadly say that this Logistics suit bonus doesen't stack. (Pics coming) If you have one suit's skill at level 1 and the other at level 2, does the suit you skilled into at level 1 get the level 2 bonus? Posted a pic to my post. http://eve-files.com/dl/262329And I have both Min and Gal logi skills at lvl 1. They only give 1HP/s combined. Not 2HP/s as was suspect. Can you make same pictures with 1 basic armor reps and seperatly with 2? (militia eq sometimes are broken) THere you go: http://eve-files.com/dl/262330 (Unfortunately on same pic)
I don't see any problem in the armor repair rate there. You have 2 from the module, 1 from the Minmatar logi suit and .30 from the "Armor Reparier" skill, which gives you 5% effectiveness per level to Armor repair modules. o.o
What exactly is off there?
Llan Heindell. |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
150
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:12:00 -
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Llan Heindell wrote: I don't see any problem in the armor repair rate there. You have 2 from the module, 1 from the Minmatar logi suit and .30 from the "Armor Reparier" skill, which gives you 5% effectiveness per level to Armor repair modules. o.o
What exactly is off there?
Llan Heindell.
IMO, nothing.
This whole thread was/is just to confirm/test wether the race spesific sill bonus on logi suits apply across the board, which one might assume from the wording in the skill. |
Llan Heindell
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
62
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:20:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Llan Heindell wrote: I don't see any problem in the armor repair rate there. You have 2 from the module, 1 from the Minmatar logi suit and .30 from the "Armor Reparier" skill, which gives you 5% effectiveness per level to Armor repair modules. o.o
What exactly is off there?
Llan Heindell.
IMO, nothing. This whole thread was/is just to confirm/test wether the race spesific sill bonus on logi suits apply across the board, which one might assume from the wording in the skill. I see, further explaining how skills work in the description of said skills might solve the problem.
CCP can fix this no problem.
Llan Heindell. |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
150
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:26:00 -
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Llan Heindell wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Llan Heindell wrote: I don't see any problem in the armor repair rate there. You have 2 from the module, 1 from the Minmatar logi suit and .30 from the "Armor Reparier" skill, which gives you 5% effectiveness per level to Armor repair modules. o.o
What exactly is off there?
Llan Heindell.
IMO, nothing. This whole thread was/is just to confirm/test wether the Logistic role bonus on logi suits apply across the board, which one might assume from the wording in the skill. I see, further explaining how skills work in the description of said skills might solve the problem. CCP can fix this no problem. Llan Heindell.
My post did contain lil mistake, so corrected that and hilighted it in here. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire
421
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:29:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Cosgar wrote:Racial skill only works on that race's suit. I know, but on the skill you get the logi and the racial bonus. The logi bonus is the same across the board, 1HP per level. So, if I maxd all 4, I could have 4x logi bonus aka 20HP/s...maybe. :D I have a title to a bridge in Boston that I am sure I could sell to you.
Certainly if you believe that. |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
71
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:44:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Cosgar wrote:Racial skill only works on that race's suit. I know, but on the skill you get the logi and the racial bonus. The logi bonus is the same across the board, 1HP per level. So, if I maxd all 4, I could have 4x logi bonus aka 20HP/s...maybe. :D I have a title to a bridge in Boston that I am sure I could sell to you. Certainly if you believe that.
Ahhh, I'll buy it at a high price!
If you can show me where I stated any belief...:) I made this thread to speculate on a 'what-if' situation that was posed to me by some random merc in a pug. :D
Well it seems to have been cleared up now, but I don't think a 15 million SP sink would be an unreasonable trade for 15HP extra p/s. :D |
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NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:46:00 -
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2 mill SP just to test the wording of a skill... and people insist there shouldn't be refunds |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
180
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:24:00 -
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o/ victim as well. Respec for 5/14 |
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