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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:55:00 -
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And haven't spent your SP yet, I'll save you the time it takes to think about your choice, choose logi. I'm sure many of you have already figured this out, but I was checking over the suits last night and realized how much win it was that I chose logi over assault (I played assault in past builds and is my class of choice).
Why go logi? Well whether you spec into logi or assault, you will also be speced into the basic medium suits as well (of whatever race you skilled in for your logi/assault suit). And aside from the lack of racial bonuses, they appear to be identical to the assault suits stat wise. So if you go the logi route, you will also have access to the assault basic suits as well. But if you chose assault, you will simply have access to the same suits, but with no racial bonuses.
Lets say you spend the ~4 million SP for proto assault or logi, here is what you get.
Assault proto has two choices:
1. Assault proto with racial bonuses
2. Assault proto with no racial bonuses
Logi proto has two choices:
1. Logi proto with racial bonuses
2. Assault proto with no racial bonuses.
So unless you really want/need those racial bonuses for your assault suit, logi is the best choice. Because at any moment I can start using an assault suit layout (yay, I get my sidearm back!), or stick with my logi suit with all the extra equipment slots. But if I had skilled into assault 100%, I would only have access to the assault suits. And would need to spend an additional ~4 million SP to spec into logi proto.
So for those who did go all into assault, any regrets? Or are the racial bonuses worth not having access to two different types of suits for the price of one?
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Severance Pay
Planetary Response Organization
182
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:59:00 -
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Dang.. They gonna nerf this on monday now. |
Drommy Hood
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:00:00 -
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Its a fair point. Especially if your armor tanking, then you really have no need for thee shield recharge assault bonus. Are they the identical HP/per/cap/speed slot layout ect
If so then yeh, no point. Well made point lol |
Balzich Rotaine
Rotaine Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:10:00 -
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It's all well and good until they rebalance the suits and you all start crying for another respec because you wasted all your sp on logistics. |
Aegis Scientiafide
Planetary Response Organisation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:16:00 -
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Not to mention the logi suits are simply better at fighting than the assault suits (due to having the same speed, only 30 less hp, and on average 2 more modules)... While also having extra equipment slots to boot . |
ca ronic
Moffit Bros
9
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:24:00 -
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I didnt choose logi for my medium minmatar because I wanted the two extra high slots. Four shield extenders and 1 damage mod. 2 extra complex shields is an extra 145 hp on my fit. Total shields are 478 with four mods and 333 with only two mods. Is it worth it? Idk. I seem to do about as well with the advanced suit running only 2 shield extenders. But I need all the help I can get, probably should have gone amar heavy. lol.
I might survive better with the logi and armor repair mods maxed out. But it starts with lower base shields.
Was gonna run the advanced suit for a while until I decided but i was dying so fast I jumped into the proto and kept dieing about as fast.
May eventually find a better use for those five high slots, like replacing an extender with a shield recharger. I thought I was going to have 5 hp per second passive armor repair on the basic minmatar, but its only one. |
Dazereth the 2nd
Stoned Kloned Killers
20
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:25:00 -
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inb4 nerf |
ca ronic
Moffit Bros
9
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:26:00 -
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Minmatar logi is a little faster than basic. Not sure on other races. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
418
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:26:00 -
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Balzich Rotaine wrote:It's all well and good until they rebalance the suits and you all start crying for another respec because you wasted all your sp on logistics.
I would still have access to the basic suits, which are same as assault with no racial bonuses, I can live with that. Plus I would still have my logi to use if I need it.
However I really don't see them completely re-doing the suits. But if they did, what do you think they would change? You can't gimp a legit logi player just to punish the assault players using that suit too. Logis already have less HP (and possibly bigger hitbox), which is already a slight downfall to using it over assault. |
Jakob Evhin
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:27:00 -
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My suggestion would be hold off if you are going into logi because they messed up the bonuses to assault suits.
A little patience will save you pain when/if they nerf logis (or buff assaults) and you are stuck in a bright yellow target suit that isn't suited for combat. |
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Aegis Scientiafide
Planetary Response Organisation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:23:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Balzich Rotaine wrote:It's all well and good until they rebalance the suits and you all start crying for another respec because you wasted all your sp on logistics. I would still have access to the basic suits, which are same as assault with no racial bonuses, I can live with that. Plus I would still have my logi to use if I need it. However I really don't see them completely re-doing the suits. But if they did, what do you think they would change? You can't gimp a legit logi player just to punish the assault players using that suit too. Logis already have less HP (and possibly bigger hitbox), which is already a slight downfall to using it over assault.
All they have to do is switch the module slots between the two suits. Problem solved. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
29
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:29:00 -
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Logi suits are slightly slower, from looking at the suits in the marketplace. This may make a difference to some folks, although the extra benefits of the logi suit over the assault is probably enough to overcome any hangups, especially given that you have the basic medium suits (assault without racial bonus).
However, isn't there a price difference in the assault proto v.s. medium proto? I thought the assault were noticeably cheaper, making running proto assault much more effective than medium frame proto.
Regardless, I think your suggestion makes the most sense even given these other factors. Assuming you like yellow, that is.  |
Psi R
IT'S NO USE
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:40:00 -
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Too late, went assault. oh well, game is a joke anyway.
join a game, game ends as you join.
join another game, spawn and die. oh you're on the wrong side of a pubstomp.
join another game, loads forever...
restart game and join again, have a mediocre game
... turn off game. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
418
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:04:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Logi suits are slightly slower, from looking at the suits in the marketplace. This may make a difference to some folks, although the extra benefits of the logi suit over the assault is probably enough to overcome any hangups, especially given that you have the basic medium suits (assault without racial bonus). However, isn't there a price difference in the assault proto v.s. medium proto? I thought the assault were noticeably cheaper, making running proto assault much more effective than medium frame proto. Regardless, I think your suggestion makes the most sense even given these other factors. Assuming you like yellow, that is.
Not sure about assault prices, but proto logi is something like 57k, proto basic is around 62k, so price difference isn't much, at least in comparison to logi suit prices. Although adv logi is 9k while adv basic is 15k.
And you know, I have actually become quite fond of the yellow 
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