There is no money in being a bullet soak .

Glad rolling pub matches made you feel like a good heavy.

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not tryin to be mean, but you are not providing a viewpoint that is even in the same light as EVERYONE else involved in deep discussions on the Heavy class.

all valid points

Yes I never do see the top of the leader boards (Usually in 6th or 7th)

No I don't sit in a corner I am usually the guy in the front firing (Still die lots)

Yes I get points for suppression, in the way of assists.

Yes sometimes I get very little points because I am defending a point

Yes I only have played PUB matches, so it is very likely I would melt in a corp match

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Yes my viewpoint is different then most; I have played numerous MMO's on PC and my perspective comes from there. I always played the tank role, and to me this is closest to tank that I can find. Now my perspective may be "wrong" with the DUST community on heavies, but it works for me, and I like the changes :)

From an MMO perspective I understand why you're saying the heavy should be a damage sponge. You're thinking of a role like the "Tank" in WoW; a player that generates a ton of "threat" on NPC MOBS so the MOB only attacks the tanks. Tanks hold "Aggro" in this role.

This doesn't work in PvP. There's no incentive for anyone outside the heavy's short range to put them down. They aren't a threat.

To act in the role you're describing, HMGs (and all weapons) would need to have legitimate ranges, and HMG's in particular would need to be dealing massive damage. Then they would be a significant threat, and be shot at first.

no u didn't read his post properly...

he has better survivability.. I don't think anyone is arguing that.

staying alive doesn't make you ISK, or even help your team necessarily. I'm glad you are happy that you get to spend less now and feel like less of a scrub cause you aren't dying much.

Killing with a heavy is the entire premise of all the talk here.

based on what you've said, you likely have never SEEN the top of a leaderboard in a pub match, but congrats, you can now survive. Different people have different aspirations on this game.

not tryin to be mean, but you are not providing a viewpoint that is even in the same light as EVERYONE else involved in deep discussions on the Heavy class.

From an MMO perspective I understand why you're saying the heavy should be a damage sponge. You're thinking of a role like the "Tank" in WoW; a player that generates a ton of "threat" on NPC MOBS so the MOB only attacks the tanks. Tanks hold "Aggro" in this role.

This doesn't work in PvP. There's no incentive for anyone outside the heavy's short range to put them down. They aren't a threat.

To act in the role you're describing, HMGs (and all weapons) would need to have legitimate ranges, and HMG's in particular would need to be dealing massive damage. Then they would be a significant threat, and be shot at first.

Some people want Heavies to be "slayers". That's not their role. Just saying. QQ less, and play more.

no u didn't read his post properly...

he has better survivability.. I don't think anyone is arguing that.

staying alive doesn't make you ISK, or even help your team necessarily. I'm glad you are happy that you get to spend less now and feel like less of a scrub cause you aren't dying much.

Killing with a heavy is the entire premise of all the talk here.

based on what you've said, you likely have never SEEN the top of a leaderboard in a pub match, but congrats, you can now survive. Different people have different aspirations on this game.

not tryin to be mean, but you are not providing a viewpoint that is even in the same light as EVERYONE else involved in deep discussions on the Heavy class.

i've heard QQ from Heavies and Tanks and yet i'm still seeing lots of them in game doing very well...

Hey, his viewpoint is his viewpoint!! If he was you, then he would have your viewpoint. I love you guys that live for the leaderboard and really feel that it makes a difference in your pathetic life. Have you ever thought that there are more of his viewpoints out there than your own. The top of the leaderboards carry how many people, thats right very few compared to the overall number of players playing this game, so more than likely his viewpoint is more common to the players in this game than yours. Think before you become an elitist ***hole, in a short amount of time this game and your leaderboards won't mean diddly squat to anyone.

you wanna know what else is funny? Its sh!tbums like you that mail me every day is the only way I even know about the leaderboards. I never need to check them cause everyone that apparently 'doesnt' care sure does take the time to mail me to inform me that I am where I am, and that so and so is gaining on me and all that jazz.

That's ok tho, I have a classified ad out now advertising for a secretary to handle all of my correspondence.

the 1 thing I will say.. I have more SP than you, than likely everyone on this game atm, and that allows me to be effective at what I do (until now with heavies being on their death bed... and even with that im finding ways to b!tch slap scrubs like you).

I think the OP understands the statement I made, and certainly has a better understanding now of the bigger picture.

You sir are just another fanboY that can get in line and take a number, and MAYBE my secretary will get back to you

you wanna know what else is funny? Its sh!tbums like you that mail me every day is the only way I even know about the leaderboards. I never need to check them cause everyone that apparently 'doesnt' care sure does take the time to mail me to inform me that I am where I am, and that so and so is gaining on me and all that jazz.

That's ok tho, I have a classified ad out now advertising for a secretary to handle all of my correspondence.

the 1 thing I will say.. I have more SP than you, than likely everyone on this game atm, and that allows me to be effective at what I do (until now with heavies being on their death bed... and even with that im finding ways to b!tch slap scrubs like you).

I think the OP understands the statement I made, and certainly has a better understanding now of the bigger picture.

You sir are just another fanboY that can get in line and take a number, and MAYBE my secretary will get back to you

you wanna know what else is funny? Its sh!tbums like you that mail me every day is the only way I even know about the leaderboards. I never need to check them cause everyone that apparently 'doesnt' care sure does take the time to mail me to inform me that I am where I am, and that so and so is gaining on me and all that jazz.

That's ok tho, I have a classified ad out now advertising for a secretary to handle all of my correspondence.

the 1 thing I will say.. I have more SP than you, than likely everyone on this game atm, and that allows me to be effective at what I do (until now with heavies being on their death bed... and even with that im finding ways to b!tch slap scrubs like you).

I think the OP understands the statement I made, and certainly has a better understanding now of the bigger picture.

You sir are just another fanboY that can get in line and take a number, and MAYBE my secretary will get back to you

sorry bud, but in all honesty IDGAF about the leaderboards... Im there cause I play too much, giving me more SP which is the true reason to grind.

HOWEVER, the fact that I play too much also allows me a fairly good viewpoint on the upsides and downsides of being a heavy, since that is all I play.

I did NOT criticize the OP for his comments, as I think all heavies can agree that our survivability has increased. That part of the whole discussion is over and done with. The fact that he said heavies are fine as is and not looking at the other side of the coin is the reason for the dispute.

and you should look around... there are less people playing the heavy class in 2 days after this new build than ever.

plus im sorry to say this, but the sad truth is there is VERY little skilled players in this game.

say theres a million total players? less than 10% have the skill to be competitive. so from that standpoint sure you wanna label that as elitist then so be it.

hate to break it to ya bud, but all the kills that I have that YOU seem to be hung up over.. they weren't hard to get, nor do I care about them. what I DO care about is how the game I've come to enjoy is played, and how the recent changes have affected the core gameplay, and that heavies are NOT 'fine'