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Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:05:00 -
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Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2830
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:08:00 -
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CCP made dropships as a trap.
They promote the game as having epic vehicle combat, then give you a ship that is really difficult to use effectively, all the while lowering how much SP you get in game while raising how much you need, yet not touching the non existent rewards of the dropship pilot.
CCP should really just remove dropships, it would show more care and attention than we've received over the last year. I mean, is it really that hard to give us some ISK and WP for doing our jobs?
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
342
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:09:00 -
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breach, 10% damage mods and weak spot hit... that's all i have to say. |
Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:10:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:CCP made dropships as a trap.
They promote the game as having epic vehicle combat, then give you a ship that is really difficult to use effectively, all the while lowering how much SP you get in game while raising how much you need, yet not touching the non existent rewards of the dropship pilot.
CCP should really just remove dropships, it would show more care and attention than we've received over the last year. I mean, is it really that hard to give us some ISK and WP for doing our jobs?
Assault drop ship was over hyped, it's pretty damn terrible to aim, most of the time you're just running from AV. |
VLIGHT5
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:10:00 -
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I'm glad I'm waiting to become a jet pilot. I feel sympathy for dropship pilots. |
SILVERBACK 02
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
5
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:11:00 -
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lucky heavys have been nerfed^ not many forge gunners at the moment :) |
SILVERBACK 02
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:11:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:I'm glad I'm waiting to become a jet pilot. I feel sympathy for dropship pilots.
good luck waiting 2 years mate lol |
Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:11:00 -
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ladwar wrote:breach, 10% damage mods and weak spot hit... that's all i have to say.
And that makes it OK?
Dropships have no weak spot, idk how he could hit my weak spot when I was running away from him at 180 km/h, and this is pretty bullshit, even tank rail guns don't do a third of that damage fully spec ed up. |
DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
186
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:14:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:ladwar wrote:breach, 10% damage mods and weak spot hit... that's all i have to say. And that makes it OK? Dropships have no weak spot, idk how he could hit my weak spot when I was running away from him at 180 km/h, and this is pretty bullshit, even tank rail guns don't do a third of that damage fully spec ed up.
Sorry to hear that. Oh wait... |
danny12343331
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
51
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:16:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty.
Take a good look at the market and look what FG came back, a little hint breach FG proto. |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
342
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:16:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:ladwar wrote:breach, 10% damage mods and weak spot hit... that's all i have to say. And that makes it OK? Dropships have no weak spot, idk how he could hit my weak spot when I was running away from him at 180 km/h, and this is pretty bullshit, even tank rail guns don't do a third of that damage fully spec ed up.
its not as hard as you are making it out to be and you know i thought about it and it could be a rail tank as well. and btw dropships do have weak spots. just feel lucky right now that tanks large turret as broken right now. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3960
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:32:00 -
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Uhm.. don't expose your engines to threats, very bad idea. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
280
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Uhm.. don't expose your engines to threats, very bad idea.
Cause it's so easy to tell when a forge gun spawns on the map and one shots you out of nowhere, right?
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General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
589
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:33:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty.
lol, that would be the officer FG
or one of the assault FG's
2 shots for every 2 of the regular
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3960
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:35:00 -
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See that the big blue ball of lightning on the ground? Assume that's Raiden and he wants to commit a fatality on your dropship. |
SILVERBACK 02
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
5
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:See that the big blue ball of lightning on the ground? Assume that's Raiden and he wants to commit a fatality on your dropship.
lol |
Specter RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:02:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:ladwar wrote:breach, 10% damage mods and weak spot hit... that's all i have to say. And that makes it OK? Dropships have no weak spot, idk how he could hit my weak spot when I was running away from him at 180 km/h, and this is pretty bullshit, even tank rail guns don't do a third of that damage fully spec ed up.
Dropships DO, in fact, have a weak spot. Its on their back ends but its not a very low armored weak spot I might add. Only 145% damage bonus, compared to that of a tanks 202% damage bonus.
And I wouldn't doubt it if it was me. My aiming is a bit wonky at the moment because of the new movements and such but I'll get used to it overtime.
I've been seeing a TON of dropships and tanks rolling around at the moment and I'm seriously just wrecking them now. Its to the point where it's very fun to play at the moment as a Lv5 Proficiency (lv4 Reload speed, lv2 Fitting, Lv 3 ammo specced Forge Gun (Basically full forge spec with Proto Basic Suit)) its fairly easy to take out anything as I am fully specced for AV. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2832
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:07:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:See that the big blue ball of lightning on the ground? Assume that's Raiden and he wants to commit a fatality on your dropship.
If only it were that easy....
But it's ok, paying 1 million ISK for a ship that may or may not die to a random Raiden when you only earn 100K ISK per match is totally acceptable, and making dropships a viable path for newer players and vets alike is clearly not even remotely a priority to CCP, as indicated by their consistent lack of communication when it comes to making flying dropships an actual sustainable profession.
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1340
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:09:00 -
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the fudge? thats even more damage then the best railgun can deal. Currently you can deal around 2500HP damage with a proto railgun and 2 damage mods. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1183
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:12:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty.
Sorry, 6000hp of damage with one shot from a forge is not believable. |
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Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
282
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:41:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty. Sorry, 6000hp of damage with one shot from a forge is not believable.
so if its possible you'd agree that is OP right? |
Specter RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:49:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty. Sorry, 6000hp of damage with one shot from a forge is not believable. so if its possible you'd agree that is OP right?
Its odd because with 2 Damage Mods and Lv5 Prof Forge I only do ~2000 Damage per shot so unless you have a breach hitting a weak spot I don't see how you can get OHK'ed. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
55
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty. Sorry, 6000hp of damage with one shot from a forge is not believable.
Thinking the same thing. The stationary is capped around 2.1k, officer's is in the mid 1.5k. Heavy suites don't get allot of high slots and complex damage mods is a SP crusade of its own now. Let's not forget all AV took a ten percent hit with the change in Weaponry.
If a forge gun can one shot a decent dropship even in the rump then something is grossly wrong. I sleep with an assault forge in my bed too. It just doesn't seem plausible. More likely the DS was hit by multiple attacks close together. |
Ianto B
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:53:00 -
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I am a Forge Gunner I can tell you that the claim in your title is false.
First and foremost I feel for Dropship Pilots as they recive either no or very little in the way of rewards for doing their job. I believe the Assault Dropship was a tiny step in the right direction, but they have a long ways to go.
One suggestion for bringing more WPs to the role would be that CCP implements a invisible or visible area of effect through the use of a skill or module that when a pilot successfully drops an infantry member within its radius they would recieve a Insertion Bonus. You could also add a Tactical Retreat Bonus for picking up said members and pulling them out of hot zones.
Without a doubt something needs to be done to encourage people to want to use Dropships, but essetially calling for a Nerf of the Forge Gun(in not so many words) is a mistake. It is a AV weapon, that is its job! You from the sounds of it need to learn to be a better pilot, and I apologize if that sounds harsh, as it isn't intended to be. As a Forge Gunner I can honestly say I have seen very few pilots that I would consider good. And I place blame for that on CCPs shoulders for not giving any incentive for people to want to learn to become good Dropship Pilots. The only real incentive for them is the idea that their Corp will appreciate the sacrifice that they are giving for their team to have a tactical advantage. |
VLIGHT5
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
53
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:58:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:VLIGHT5 wrote:I'm glad I'm waiting to become a jet pilot. I feel sympathy for dropship pilots. good luck waiting 2 years mate lol
Probably won't be that long. I'm hoping for a release by Christmas  |
Blammmo
Better Hide R Die
21
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:36:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty.
Don't worry about me targeting your dropship with my forge, I'll be using it strictly as an anti troop weapon now that the HMG is a glorified French tickler |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
343
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:51:00 -
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none crit shot for the proto breach forge with maxed skill and two damage mods is 3793. there you go. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
592
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:55:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:Wow. As if it wasn't hard enough to fly, some random with a forge can pretty much OHK any drop ship that's built. Awesome. Nice balancing CCP.
Oh, and to all the tankers, it's fun now, but once people get their forge out, things aren't pretty.
lol, either A. proto breach (the guy can't move abd takes 5 seconds to fire, BIG fuckin target)
or B. assault FG and he shot you in quick succesion |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
592
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:56:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:lucky heavys have been nerfed^ not many forge gunners at the moment :)
lol, that's what YOU think |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
592
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:See that the big blue ball of lightning on the ground? Assume that's Raiden and he wants to commit a fatality on your dropship.
raiden? he the one running around with the officer FG's?
there's so many other heavies using FG's now |
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Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
484
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:33:00 -
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FG have been OP since last year. when a hand held weapon does more than a vehicle mounted weapon you know there is a problem. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1475
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:20:00 -
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Something that I'd like to remind my fellow pilots of, is that due to the current broken PG skill, none of us can fit as many extenders as we'd like. Although I will admit to getting extremely pissed off with assault fire guns due to their damage and rate of fire killing my dropships ridiculously quickly. |
Spy Mouse
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:56:00 -
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The damage dealt on the kill screen is the total damage dealt from that weapon, not from the shot that killed you. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1411
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Uhm.. don't expose your engines to threats, very bad idea.
I normally agree with your posts, but a DS is ALL engine. There's no way you can fly that thing that won't result in your engines getting hit. |
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