<[CCP]Wolfman>: when it comes to the HMG, we're just going to watch the numbers and see how it performs


<[CCP]Wolfman>: we will be watching the HMG stats to see how things perform. Then we'll make a decision on whether or not to make any further tweaks.

It could barely fight protos before. Just what do you expect them to do now?

And FYI - CCP goes on IRC - says it just like the forums - then leaves. I'm loving how CCP is handling all this so far. They **** up then become frustrated with us for not loving it.

Don't know what numbers you are watching exactly, but I'll say this. Numbers are what got us nerfed last time when we already couldn't compete against skilled proto assaults.

So how exactly do you plan to use numbers to determine if we should get un-nerfed? Cause im fairly certain whatever numbers you're looking at aren't very reflective of the situation, dawg.

Number of idiots in MLT gear running straight at me and dying is always going to be higher than the number of skilled players deciding to engage with me and whup my ass. Maybe thats why your numbers are borked -- you have underestimated the number of stupid people who play your game and forgotten to remove them from the original equation.

And the HMG last build was exceptional at destroying free suits. It did so much faster than most other weapons, so thats got to be where your crazy "this needs a nerf" numbers came from. In planetary conquest however, im not going to be running up against MLT pubscum. If you continue to balance the game to give those morons a chance, the heavy will have no role whatsoever in PC.

It could barely fight protos before. Just what do you expect them to do now?

in their defend the top KDR guy belonged to an all out HMG, although if he's all-out anti infantry with logis backing him up 9he did in most occasions) It makes sense on their numbers in some ways, also the ISK cost for the suits and HMGs have changes. I just wanted to through some defense to them since their won`t be much otherwise mentioned.

Well, they do work.

in their defend the top KDR guy belonged to an all out HMG, although if he's all-out anti infantry with logis backing him up 9he did in most occasions) It makes sense on their numbers in some ways, also the ISK cost for the suits and HMGs have changes. I just wanted to through some defense to them since their won`t be much otherwise mentioned.

Look at the right numbers.

Look at the HMGs that are still performing well. Look at the ones that aren't.

See how many of those HMG guys are performing well with less than triple the incoming healing of an Assault achieving equal or better K/D.

When a Heavy is doing really amazing, make sure he doesn't have a full squad of Logis backing him up. Because if he's doing well, he probably does.

Look at how often a Militia Shotgun on a LIght Frame suit is getting in close enough to destroy a Standard HMG, compared with how often the HMG is killing the Scout, or a Militia Medium, or a Logi, or an Assault, or... welll... ANYTHING AT ALL.

Look at the prevalence of very specific weapons in the HMG tree, vs. the number of players running a variety of other weapons because the other weapons have more than one useful model.

Most importantly, look at the fact that you - as usual - hit the HMG WAY TOO HARD when you nerfed everything about it and the only problem was that it was OP when using Sharpshooter (which you removed).