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Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.07 15:57:00 -
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When you walk into the war barge you see a sea of yellow, but no white. Why is this? Well let's look at what they did with the specialized suits.
You level up your basic suit to level 5 and get your prototype suit, this is already a really great suit. But then you are given the option to go into specialized suits, at which case you start right over with the bad suits stat-wise but you are getting an extra bonus. With Assault suits, the suits are identical to the basic suits in every way so these bonuses don't make the assault better than your Basic Prototype suit until you get to Level 5 in Assault suits.
Now look at the Logistics. Yes you still have to start over with low level suits that aren't as good as your Basic Prototype, but the stats aren't identical to your level 1 basic suit. You get more CPU/PG and more equipment slots. So even if it's not exactly better than your Basic Prototype, it provides you another way of playing that you simply can't do with your basic suits.
But wait, there's more. The bonuses themselves are stacked towards logistics. The universal assault bonus is increased shield recharge rate. Everyone knows that stat is next to worthless. Meanwhile the universal logistics bonus is passive armor repair, which is absolutely invaluable. It's an easy choice when deciding which to skill into.
So what do you think should be done? Obviously they should give the assault suits something different with the fitting and CPU/PG or something to make them different than the basic equivalents minus the skill bonus. Perhaps give them a second light weapon, or an extra grenade slot, just something. And secondly change the universal assault bonus to something on the same level of value as armor repair, such as shield delay reduction.
What else could they do? |
Zatara Rought
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
134
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:00:00 -
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+1 played assault last build...the medium frame is enough this time as the racial variants don't make a large enough impact to warrant the sp. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
22
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:06:00 -
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The only racial variant of a medium frame that I can see being beneficial is the Amarr assault with its 5% weapon heat dissipation rate (or whatever it is) if you're planning to use the SRs or LRs (in which I am). |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
137
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:21:00 -
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What do you guys think though of how they could change the fitting options for Assault? Would 2 light weapons be too much? |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
421
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:31:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:What do you guys think though of how they could change the fitting options for Assault? Would 2 light weapons be too much?
Not Enough CPU/PG to run that. I think that having a heavy grenade slot that gives you more nades....say like 5-6 locus nades or AV nades would be enough of a reason for ppl to spec into assault. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
139
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:42:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:What do you guys think though of how they could change the fitting options for Assault? Would 2 light weapons be too much? Not Enough CPU/PG to run that. I think that having a heavy grenade slot that gives you more nades....say like 5-6 locus nades or AV nades would be enough of a reason for ppl to spec into assault. Well I'm implying that they would adjust CPU/PG accordingly, just like logistics gets a sh** ton more to account for the equipment slots. |
BursegSardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
119
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:01:00 -
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Change all the bonuses entirely.
Base hull: Gallente should be armor repair amount per level. Caldari should be shield HP Amarr should be armor HP And Minmatar should be shield recharge
Skill level: Gallente - Hybrid damage/ROF Caldari - Hybrid Range/Capacity Amarr - Heat reduction/Damage of energy weapons Minmatar - Explosive (MD, swarmers, grenades, remote explosives) weapon damage |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
149
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:56:00 -
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The assault suit the universal bonus probably should be something damage related.
Anyways I'm at the point where I'm about to pick my specialization. I went with Gallente Medium and I was going to do Logistics, but we have more than enough logistics players at the moment. Yet it's hard to choose Assault. As Gallente my shields are extremely low, so shield recharge rate would help me even less than it usually does for others. And since the suit is exactly the same as the basic line, I would be investing 3 million SP just for a 25% reduction in hybrid weapon CPU/PG. This is ridiculous!!!
The biggest thing that needs to happen as soon as possible is make the assault line different than the basic line, let it offer a style of play you couldn't do before. Logistics do this, so why not assault? They have to do something in regards to the amount of weapon/grenade slots you get. |
Rabbit C515
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:30:00 -
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moreover in 1.3 Amarr PRO logi get 1 low slot
so, why do we need assault suit? |
xSir Campsalotx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
61
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:39:00 -
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Assaults need help? That's what a giant portion of the population runs. |
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Rusty Sandstorm
Raven Accord Black Core Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:43:00 -
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I do okay with an assault.... the scout suits are pretty screwed up right now though. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3674
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:58:00 -
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BursegSardaukar wrote:Change all the bonuses entirely.
Base hull: Gallente should be armor repair amount per level. Caldari should be shield HP Amarr should be armor HP And Minmatar should be shield recharge
Skill level: Gallente - Hybrid damage/ROF Caldari - Hybrid Range/Capacity Amarr - Heat reduction/Damage of energy weapons Minmatar - Explosive (MD, swarmers, grenades, remote explosives) weapon damage Minmatar assault already has a good racial. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
899
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:08:00 -
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Their recharge rate bonus is pretty big for them no? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3674
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:12:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Their recharge rate bonus is pretty big for them no? People only care about buffer tanking apparently. If you assaults don't want that shield recharge, pass it along to us Logis. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
205
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:37:00 -
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all suit bonuses are placeholder, in case you weren't aware of it.
currently they are working on how to get the system/engine to recognise item/item type specific bonuses.
What this means is that all of your ideas are in the wrong direction.
We will very likely see many more suit variants within each racial subset.
ie: gallente assault with +1% per level Assault Rifle Damage Gallente Logi with remote repper bnus +2%/level caldari logi +4%/level to external shield dome generator effectiveness. minmatar logi scanner effectiveness
not sure how CCP will work it, or even if this will be seen any time or at all ingame, but the idea is there and was expressed by CCP. |
Bad Heal
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
36
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:04:00 -
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You have a point. The bonuses that were awarded to the suits are whack. In the dev blog logi's were intended to have bonuses towards eq, awesome. however, CCP royally screwed the logi over when Uprising came out (it's just not the assault that got screwed).
Remember how bad the needles were? I couldn't pick anyone up. Bodies weren't where the icon was and sometimes you needed to goto the actual point of death to revive and that still wasn't guaranteed to work. Then came the kill screen. Players had a tough time calling for help. The amount of time that these problems went unfixed, plus the surplus in ISK from the change to uprising, had led to players to say "whatever" and just respawn. Subsequently Logi's stopped using needles as no one waited to be revived.
RESPEC!!!
Now who the **** is going to respec back into that crap support role. Cue the Calogi. Back to the OP's point, why spec assault? You get a free ADV basic if you spec into logi, and the bonuses for assaults are terrible. Calogi offered just about anything anyone could want, and after that nasty little reply ticket from the respec a lot of people went Calogi. It's assault, it's logi, it's anti-vehicle, it's a sniper ect. perfect right?
WRONG!
Little did we know that CCP had intended on changing all logi bonuses. We still do not know exactly what they are yet. Heres hoping my new bonus will fit my playing style. Anyone hoping for another respec?
LOL!
Good news though, players are increasingly starting to wait for a revive... however its nowheres near the same. Calogi's are starting to play like logis again... sort of. Assault suits will probably get new bonuses... SoonTM.
To fix assault suits is going to be hard. I think one way may be to decrease all damage by 15% or so and give a 1% bonus per level to primary weapon damage to assault suits and give bonuses that will be beneficial towards their racial weapon.
Lowering damage overall will make for longer fights which will strengthen the logi's support role and give more importance towards having a diverse squad.
Two birds with one stone |
Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
473
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:12:00 -
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Medium frame suits cost more ISK than assault specialization suits of the same level. So there's that. |
Spaceman-Rob
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:17:00 -
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Where's the option to go into specialised suits, I don't see it? I have Caldari assault dropsuit to level 5 with nooption to specialise into anything else. |
Bad Heal
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
36
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:20:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:Where's the option to go into specialised suits, I don't see it? I have Caldari assault dropsuit to level 5 with nooption to specialise into anything else.
Is that why I'm the only one still wearing a black and white suit
Thats coming in 2015 |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
1111
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:28:00 -
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Screw tiers. CCP should just implement a variant system with good bonuses. It's not the logistics suit that outshines the assault suit. It's the prototype logistics suits that outshine the prototype assault suits.
Get rid of prototype, or leave them as salvage from PvE encounters when those are introduced.
I'd say have only militia and basic gear with tons of variants, but going down to advanced is fine by me.
Then simply apply relevant and logical dropsuit bonuses, tweak stats slightly for each variant, so we end up with
1. Minmatar Medium Frame 1.1. Minmatar Assault 1.1.1 Minmatar Assault (speed) 1.1.2 Minmatar Assault (armour) 1.1.3 Minmatar Assault (shields) 1.1.4 Minmatar Assault (damage) 1.2. Minmatar Logistics 1.2.1 Minmatar Logistics (repair tool) 1.2.2 Minmatar Logistics (speed) 1.2.3 Minmatar Logistics (armour regen) 1.2.4 Minmatar Logistics (shield regen)
etc. etc. etc.
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NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
318
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:30:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:When you walk into the war barge you see a sea of yellow, but no white. Why is this? Well let's look at what they did with the specialized suits.
You level up your basic suit to level 5 and get your prototype suit, this is already a really great suit. But then you are given the option to go into specialized suits, at which case you start right over with the bad suits stat-wise but you are getting an extra bonus. With Assault suits, the suits are identical to the basic suits in every way so these bonuses don't make the assault better than your Basic Prototype suit until you get to Level 5 in Assault suits.
Now look at the Logistics. Yes you still have to start over with low level suits that aren't as good as your Basic Prototype, but the stats aren't identical to your level 1 basic suit. You get more CPU/PG and more equipment slots. So even if it's not exactly better than your Basic Prototype, it provides you another way of playing that you simply can't do with your basic suits.
But wait, there's more. The bonuses themselves are stacked towards logistics. The universal assault bonus is increased shield recharge rate. Everyone knows that stat is next to worthless. Meanwhile the universal logistics bonus is passive armor repair, which is absolutely invaluable. It's an easy choice when deciding which to skill into.
So what do you think should be done? Obviously they should give the assault suits something different with the fitting and CPU/PG or something to make them different than the basic equivalents minus the skill bonus. Perhaps give them a second light weapon, or an extra grenade slot, just something. And secondly change the universal assault bonus to something on the same level of value as armor repair, such as shield delay reduction.
What else could they do?
So you are saying that Caldari AR + Shield Recharge Rate Bonus = Worthless ? LOL
The Caldari Assault VK1 had one extra high slot and 1 extra equipment slot. More CPU and More PG. All those dissapeared. Well we didn't cry that much over it. It would be nice to have an Extra High slot. May be not the equipment slot. Right now the ckO is as good as the B-Series used to be, far from a VK1 |
The Infected One
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
349
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:34:00 -
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You leave my shield recharge rate alone, that little extra is a huge help for getting them back up to full and getting me back in the fight. Don't bother countering with "use an energizer or recharger" because I do, and having 51 shields come back per sec is oh so sweet. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
318
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:50:00 -
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The Infected One wrote:You leave my shield recharge rate alone, that little extra is a huge help for getting them back up to full and getting me back in the fight. Don't bother countering with "use an energizer or recharger" because I do, and having 51 shields come back per sec is oh so sweet.
Oh tell me bout it |
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