DUST Search - the skill tree is excellent...why the QQ?

hooc order wrote:

Travi Zyg wrote:

i honestly do feel for some of you guys who skilled into the wrong things. i would be upset too if i dumped a quarter of my 10 mil SP into something i didnt want.

BUT , that being said, how did you manage to skill into an ENTIRE branch through and through before realizing that it isnt what you intended to skill into. Its all so streamlined and clear to read, unless you had a blindfold on when selecting them how could you have not read them or at least pressed triangle to read your descriptions if you had an ounce of doubt about what you needed.

Personally, i would have felt so much more comfortable having a skill tree UI like uprising than the massive lists in the previous build when i started playing Dust...The tree is far better than the list ands its really weird seeing people try to justify it sucking. On a sidenote, didnt they also say you could switch back to the list view? change it if you dont like it, theres no need to post a gripe about the skill tree UI here when you have been given the option to opt out of using it.

The QQ is because the skill tree/level progression model is fundamentally wrong for this genre of game play. FPS is about instant gratification of beating someone. We should get a choice of all the toys at the start to do just that....if you want logos on your gun and cool looking hats i guess i am OK if you have to earn those over time.


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Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 602	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:20:00 - [1] - Quote Many of the skills in the vehicle tree are bugged, misleading and just outright don't make any sense. For example, for access to a damage control module, you need levels in dropsuit command when all the other vehicle and dropsuit skills are segregated. Because there isn't a basic suit that doesn't have more than one equipment slot, many logistic players had to max the basic suits just to even have access to what used to be the type 1. That was an unnecessary SP sink and all suit classes could have benefited from a dual prerequisite system where each single level unlocks a level of the same meta level class dropsuit. (EG: Basic Medium lvl 1 => Assault or Logistics level 1) That way, classes like logistics could get access to a type 1 suit with only 1 level of basic medium. The way it stands now, having to max the basic suit skill is an unnecessary SP sink that's not worth the investment just to unlock an inferior basic tier suit many meta levels below the basic suit's capabilities just for their class bonus. There are other issues with bugged modules and skills, but these are the most daunting that need to be addressed promptly.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 604	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:40:00 - [2] - Quote hooc order wrote: Travi Zyg wrote: i honestly do feel for some of you guys who skilled into the wrong things. i would be upset too if i dumped a quarter of my 10 mil SP into something i didnt want. BUT , that being said, how did you manage to skill into an ENTIRE branch through and through before realizing that it isnt what you intended to skill into. Its all so streamlined and clear to read, unless you had a blindfold on when selecting them how could you have not read them or at least pressed triangle to read your descriptions if you had an ounce of doubt about what you needed. Personally, i would have felt so much more comfortable having a skill tree UI like uprising than the massive lists in the previous build when i started playing Dust...The tree is far better than the list ands its really weird seeing people try to justify it sucking. On a sidenote, didnt they also say you could switch back to the list view? change it if you dont like it, theres no need to post a gripe about the skill tree UI here when you have been given the option to opt out of using it. The QQ is because the skill tree/level progression model is fundamentally wrong for this genre of game play. FPS is about instant gratification of beating someone. We should get a choice of all the toys at the start to do just that....if you want logos on your gun and cool looking hats i guess i am OK if you have to earn those over time. I'm sorry, but First Person Shooter is such an ambiguous label being applied to games in this modern electronic entertainment media age. Many games have adopted aspects from different genre to reinforce weaknesses from other genre that go beyond the restricting categories we have now. Have you ever read the dissertation on Mechanics Dynamics and Aesthetics of Gaming? (Summarized in video form) If you haven't it's very enlightening and I would recommend it to gamers and developers alike. Dust 514 goes beyond the FPS genre and covers all of the 8 essential aesthetics that define a game: 1. Sensation 2. Fantasy 3. Narrative 4. Challenge 5. Fellowship 6. Discovery 7. Expression 8. Submission (Game as a passtime) Simply defining Dust 514 as just an FPS is almost an insult to what CCP is trying to accomplish.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 609	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:29:00 - [3] - Quote hooc order wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Spoken like a king of the fanboys And a blind def and dumb one at that. He only see the game CCP promised.....not the actual broken game we are playing now....well some of us are playing. I know i stopped. Apparently the magical CCP promised game in his head fits some youtubers ideal game as well. Here we go again... Try EVE for 5 years and see how much of a fanboy you wind up being. I play because I like the lore and the potential. Of course this game is a hot mess, I'm not denying that. Hell, I had to dump 1.8m SP just to get into what used to be a Type-1 Logi suit while you guys can get into chromosome's equivalent of assault, scout, and heavy proto for way less. I can't even do my job as a logi because revive system is borked, and now people are raging for a logi nerf because they made the caldari logi better than the entire assault line, and don't get me started on vehicles.... We all know they ****ed up. Even if I was a fanboy I'd still say it. Developers screw up all the time, (leers at Capcom) it happens, but it's how they make things right that matters. CCP is usually good at that second part, just gotta give it time.