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Aisha Ctarl
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:48:00 -
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Look you are all big kids now and CCP shouldn't have to hold your hand to make sure you spend your SP wisely. Seriously, no one deserves a respec because it was on YOU to read the prerequisites and the descriptions before spending your SP. Spending your SP with careless abandon assuming the skills did the same as their counterparts in Chromosome was your own stupid mistake.
I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh, but seriously all you had to do was read and a lot of you who "effed up your SP" would be fine because you would have made wiser choices. For example, I'm doing just fine and have my character going in the direction I want because I read every single description before I dropped SP into it...I even have some SP dropped in Flaylock and Scrambler Rifle in preparation for the 14th.
If you're new to EVE/DUST I'm a tad more forgiving, but still, you should have read the descriptions. Now if you're an EVE/DUST veteran, I have ZERO remorse for you because you know how this works. You got over the learning CLIFF of EVE just to make a silly mistake as a respec eff up - you should be embarrassed and deservedly so.
Finally, think about it this way...why should you be allowed a respec even if you did screw up? It would be unfair to all the others who didn't screw up and are doing just fine. You really want CCP to kick all the players who made informed decisions regarding their SP in the teeth just because you and a few other sorry souls screwed up?
Mull it over.
Aisha Ctarl (pronounced AYSHA like from Outlaw Star)
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
64
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:55:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Look you are all big kids now and CCP shouldn't have to hold your hand to make sure you spend your SP wisely. Seriously, no one deserves a respec because it was on YOU to read the prerequisites and the descriptions before spending your SP. Spending your SP with careless abandon assuming the skills did the same as their counterparts in Chromosome was your own stupid mistake.
I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh, but seriously all you had to do was read and a lot of you who "effed up your SP" would be fine because you would have made wiser choices. For example, I'm doing just fine and have my character going in the direction I want because I read every single description before I dropped SP into it...I even have some SP dropped in Flaylock and Scrambler Rifle in preparation for the 14th.
If you're new to EVE/DUST I'm a tad more forgiving, but still, you should have read the descriptions. Now if you're an EVE/DUST veteran, I have ZERO remorse for you because you know how this works. You got over the learning CLIFF of EVE just to make a silly mistake as a respec eff up - you should be embarrassed and deservedly so.
Finally, think about it this way...why should you be allowed a respec even if you did screw up? It would be unfair to all the others who didn't screw up and are doing just fine. You really want CCP to kick all the players who made informed decisions regarding their SP in the teeth just because you and a few other sorry souls screwed up?
Mull it over.
Aisha Ctarl (pronounced AYSHA like from Outlaw Star)
+1 for you. Just cause i made a whole thread yesturday morning advising everyone NOT TO BLOW ALL OF THEIR SP.
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Brass Stalker
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:06:00 -
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well theres 2min of my life im not gonna get back |
bill the noon
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
3
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:08:00 -
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Id like a respec because i speced into hmg and its worthless now. I checked the stats but range is still not listed on weapons. My proto hmg is less effective than a militia AR. But ya im a big kid now so i guess i should have just known somehow that these unlisted stats had changed. I mean it was probably mentioned on the 20th page of the comments on a dev blog right, who could miss that? |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens Orion Empire
152
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:10:00 -
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I spend a full hour yesterday going trough the Market Place, and the skills tree. Looking at all the dropsuits specifications, and seen how they connect with the Skill tree. After allot of thinking, i completely chanced my approach with the New build.
Lets just say, that been a Logi is became appealing to me in Uprising, it fits my game style like a glove |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:12:00 -
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how do you pronounce Ctarl |
Aisha Ctarl
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:12:00 -
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bill the noon wrote:Id like a respec because i speced into hmg and its worthless now. I checked the stats but range is still not listed on weapons. My proto hmg is less effective than a militia AR. But ya im a big kid now so i guess i should have just known somehow that these unlisted stats had changed. I mean it was probably mentioned on the 20th page of the comments on a dev blog right, who could miss that?
Should have used militia gear first to test it out before wasting SP. Also, unless you've been living under a rock, the forums have been QQ'ing all over the place before yesterday saying how the HMG's were going to have a range cut. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2819
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:14:00 -
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To be fair, it sucks spending 7 million skill points to do the hardest job in the game and get rewarded by FAR the least, with no stats to show for, along with an incredibly expensive fit ship just to try and survive a match.
As a dedicated dropship pilot who will suffer CCPs negligent wrath for as long as I must, I can tell you that new players CAN NOT support the dropship playstyle without Corporation replacement programs
Read: New pilots CANNOT exist solo without an absurd amount of foot pounding at 0 infantry skills for months and months.
Currently, the pilot role will be reserved for vets who can work around all the set backs of piloting, or people who want to hate Dust. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
377
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:15:00 -
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Always so suitable since it applies to DUST as well - http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0803/LearningCurve.jpg
/c |
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Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
248
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:17:00 -
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No mention in the patch notes of the 6 fold increase in sp requirements for cpu n pg skills ...
No mention in the patch notes of the 2 fold increase required for the logistics dropsuit class ...
It was however mentioned before release that your current level of spec shouldn't be affected too much after the changes !
I was bored with Eve anyway until DUST started making it interesting again ... anyone want to buy 2x 50+ mil sp Eve characters ? |
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Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:19:00 -
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"Amazing how little the people truly comprehend, try as we might to educate them"
Lots of warnings yesterday, and yet..... |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
65
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:To be fair, it sucks spending 7 million skill points to do the hardest job in the game and get rewarded by FAR the least, with no stats to show for, along with an incredibly expensive fit ship just to try and survive a match.
As a dedicated dropship pilot who will suffer CCPs negligent wrath for as long as I must, I can tell you that new players CAN NOT support the dropship playstyle without Corporation replacement programs
Read: New pilots CANNOT exist solo without an absurd amount of foot pounding at 0 infantry skills for months and months.
Currently, the pilot role will be reserved for vets who can work around all the set backs of piloting, or people who want to hate Dust.
Bloody awesome post! All you pilots are like phoenix bro. Just hang in there till you rise again! cheers mate. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
826
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:25:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:No mention in the patch notes of the 6 fold increase in sp requirements for cpu n pg skills ...
No mention in the patch notes of the 2 fold increase required for the logistics dropsuit class ...
It was however mentioned before release that your current level of spec shouldn't be affected too much after the changes !
I was bored with Eve anyway until DUST started making it interesting again ... anyone want to buy 2x 50+ mil sp Eve characters ?
But the entire gist of this thread, as it says in the title, is... never mind.
You know where you can find all of that information now? In the game. Right there in the game when you are choosing skills to spend SP on. It tells you what they cost and what they do.
And we were warned that we might have dedicated ourselves to a play-style that would not be as well supported by the new skill system. THat is why we got the chance to re-spec in the first place. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
482
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:38:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Look you are all big kids now and CCP shouldn't have to hold your hand to make sure you spend your SP wisely. Seriously, no one deserves a respec because it was on YOU to read the prerequisites and the descriptions before spending your SP. Spending your SP with careless abandon assuming the skills did the same as their counterparts in Chromosome was your own stupid mistake.
I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh, but seriously all you had to do was read and a lot of you who "effed up your SP" would be fine because you would have made wiser choices. For example, I'm doing just fine and have my character going in the direction I want because I read every single description before I dropped SP into it...I even have some SP dropped in Flaylock and Scrambler Rifle in preparation for the 14th.
If you're new to EVE/DUST I'm a tad more forgiving, but still, you should have read the descriptions. Now if you're an EVE/DUST veteran, I have ZERO remorse for you because you know how this works. You got over the learning CLIFF of EVE just to make a silly mistake as a respec eff up - you should be embarrassed and deservedly so.
Finally, think about it this way...why should you be allowed a respec even if you did screw up? It would be unfair to all the others who didn't screw up and are doing just fine. You really want CCP to kick all the players who made informed decisions regarding their SP in the teeth just because you and a few other sorry souls screwed up?
Mull it over.
Aisha Ctarl (pronounced AYSHA like from Outlaw Star)
Oh look! a useless Newberry post/thread.
Remember that big sign and Dev blog saying Assault Dropships were useless? Me neither. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1246
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:39:00 -
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You can't determine survivability from a spreadsheet, so going for the new Assault DS is inevitably going to involve a leap of faith. It will take a few days yet to see if it is a sustainable role as CCP has stated it should be. Personally I think the price is a bit too steep to make it a full time occupation.
Of course we pilots don't fly to make it to the top of leader board, we fly because we love it. Otherwise CCP would have long ago driven us from the skies with multiple nerfs and constant WP neglect. We are in it for the long haul, ever optimistic that some day, just over the that hill, the next build will let us fly for a living instead of a hobby. I've been waiting nearly a year. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:42:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Look you are all big kids now and CCP shouldn't have to hold your hand to make sure you spend your SP wisely. Seriously, no one deserves a respec because it was on YOU to read the prerequisites and the descriptions before spending your SP. Spending your SP with careless abandon assuming the skills did the same as their counterparts in Chromosome was your own stupid mistake.
I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh, but seriously all you had to do was read and a lot of you who "effed up your SP" would be fine because you would have made wiser choices. For example, I'm doing just fine and have my character going in the direction I want because I read every single description before I dropped SP into it...I even have some SP dropped in Flaylock and Scrambler Rifle in preparation for the 14th.
If you're new to EVE/DUST I'm a tad more forgiving, but still, you should have read the descriptions. Now if you're an EVE/DUST veteran, I have ZERO remorse for you because you know how this works. You got over the learning CLIFF of EVE just to make a silly mistake as a respec eff up - you should be embarrassed and deservedly so.
Finally, think about it this way...why should you be allowed a respec even if you did screw up? It would be unfair to all the others who didn't screw up and are doing just fine. You really want CCP to kick all the players who made informed decisions regarding their SP in the teeth just because you and a few other sorry souls screwed up?
Mull it over.
Aisha Ctarl (pronounced AYSHA like from Outlaw Star)
Oh look! a useless Newberry post/thread. Remember that big sign and Dev blog saying Assault Dropships were useless? Me neither.
Why hello there Mr. Elitist...I've actually been here since the closed beta but only recently started posting in the forums.
Don't assume things you aren't 100% about because in the end you just wind up looking like a douche.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2819
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:43:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Of course we pilots don't fly to make it to the top of leader board, we fly because we love it. Otherwise CCP would have long ago driven us from the skies with multiple nerfs and constant WP neglect. We are in it for the long haul, ever optimistic that some day, just over the that hill, the next build will let us fly for a living instead of a hobby. I've been waiting nearly a year.
As a dedicated support logistics pilot: amen. |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
16
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:44:00 -
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This may sound selfish of me but heavies definently deserve a respec. Heavies are USELESS! Even more useless than they were before, before they were barely acceptable. We were told our stats were going to be "reduced" but that's not even the word. |
Rigor Mordis
Imperial Populicide Legion
29
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Posted - 2013.05.07 14:06:00 -
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In defense of those who may have sent some SP temporarily to the netherworld, how about we not assume that EVERYBODY trolled the forums like a bunch of us did for the last month+.
I don't think they should respec them either BUT, I kinda figured it went without saying. Its just amazing that this is the only forum community I have witnessed in years, jump quickly on a forum just to belittle someone who already feels like doo doo.
Then its also amazing how proud of yourselves you are for posting ''warnings'' about SP allocation when fact is, if there weren't going to be some OBVIOUS problems for people, there would have been no need for those warnings and such delusions of granger. I am trying to think of a CONSOLE game that expects its players to get 99.9% of their information and instruction via the game's forums. Especially when some of the most important information is only a week or two old. (Seperation of weapons/PC from Uprising 5/6 release.)
Now, I will say that the update did come with patch notes. People could have spent a little time reading those before they scrambled in haste to skill back to where they were or in haste to skill for a weapon that is not yet available. Still, no in-game manual, No real PSN announcements for the update, no pertinent information made available anywhere but blogs via the forums.
Some of these folks are just weak little toads. All of the things that I would say about these types would be located in this sentence but since I am refraining, one might imagine the types of offensive language it would contain.
Yes. people are ''big boys''. I guess, unless they are KIDS who might play VIDEO GAMES. CCP is a corporation in an international market......nuff said? NO. Because everytime the bottle-feds see an opportunity, the are quickly on CCP defensive. Well, we know what 'they' say about those who are quick go on the defensive, the defended and defensive are typically indefensible.
***Noticed in the patch notes that DUST is now RPG all-the-way. No mention of shooter anywhere. Its a nice bait and switch considering that the DUST 514 website plugged it as ''mmo shooter'' for however long. Oh well, little exploiter/glitcher/defend every possible shooter flaw/wimps, got what they wanted. ''NERF'' shooter.
Then they will set here and claim that its a hardcore game when in fact its not. They will claim that you have to use teamwork, have a proper corp battle, find some friends to play with, etc, etc. when in fact none of that changes anything, there is no real sence of team and objective. No more than is offered by anything else.
D&D....I mean RPG...says it all. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
482
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Posted - 2013.05.07 14:08:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Look you are all big kids now and CCP shouldn't have to hold your hand to make sure you spend your SP wisely. Seriously, no one deserves a respec because it was on YOU to read the prerequisites and the descriptions before spending your SP. Spending your SP with careless abandon assuming the skills did the same as their counterparts in Chromosome was your own stupid mistake.
I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh, but seriously all you had to do was read and a lot of you who "effed up your SP" would be fine because you would have made wiser choices. For example, I'm doing just fine and have my character going in the direction I want because I read every single description before I dropped SP into it...I even have some SP dropped in Flaylock and Scrambler Rifle in preparation for the 14th.
If you're new to EVE/DUST I'm a tad more forgiving, but still, you should have read the descriptions. Now if you're an EVE/DUST veteran, I have ZERO remorse for you because you know how this works. You got over the learning CLIFF of EVE just to make a silly mistake as a respec eff up - you should be embarrassed and deservedly so.
Finally, think about it this way...why should you be allowed a respec even if you did screw up? It would be unfair to all the others who didn't screw up and are doing just fine. You really want CCP to kick all the players who made informed decisions regarding their SP in the teeth just because you and a few other sorry souls screwed up?
Mull it over.
Aisha Ctarl (pronounced AYSHA like from Outlaw Star)
YOU neverr showed up in my killfeed= Newberry.....meh. Go play Dust 514 instead of only being on forums. Oh look! a useless Newberry post/thread. Remember that big sign and Dev blog saying Assault Dropships were useless? Me neither. Why hello there Mr. Elitist...I've actually been here since the closed beta but only recently started posting in the forums. Don't assume things you aren't 100% about because in the end you just wind up looking like a douche.
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Annabandak Mercery
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Dragons of Fire and Ice
4
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Posted - 2013.05.07 14:23:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Look you are all big kids now and CCP shouldn't have to hold your hand to make sure you spend your SP wisely. Seriously, no one deserves a respec because it was on YOU to read the prerequisites and the descriptions before spending your SP. Spending your SP with careless abandon assuming the skills did the same as their counterparts in Chromosome was your own stupid mistake.
I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh, but seriously all you had to do was read and a lot of you who "effed up your SP" would be fine because you would have made wiser choices. For example, I'm doing just fine and have my character going in the direction I want because I read every single description before I dropped SP into it...I even have some SP dropped in Flaylock and Scrambler Rifle in preparation for the 14th.
If you're new to EVE/DUST I'm a tad more forgiving, but still, you should have read the descriptions. Now if you're an EVE/DUST veteran, I have ZERO remorse for you because you know how this works. You got over the learning CLIFF of EVE just to make a silly mistake as a respec eff up - you should be embarrassed and deservedly so.
Finally, think about it this way...why should you be allowed a respec even if you did screw up? It would be unfair to all the others who didn't screw up and are doing just fine. You really want CCP to kick all the players who made informed decisions regarding their SP in the teeth just because you and a few other sorry souls screwed up?
Mull it over.
Aisha Ctarl (pronounced AYSHA like from Outlaw Star)
+ to you sir , this will help get out the kids |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
89
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Posted - 2013.05.07 14:24:00 -
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Assault DS talk replying to the pilot role comments, I spent 7.6 mill SP in there an have been a dedicated Pilot for 2 builds (before I was infantry mainly a SG but that doesn`t matter). let me make a list of things first.
broken stuff that benefit us: The Flight Ceiling is broken and nothing can hit you up that high, A DSes can reach there even as low flying ships.
broken stuff that are against us: vehicle Core upgrades gives 0%+ PG it should give 1%+ per lv, also vehicle engineering should give +5% PG per lv and you guessed it, 0%+. these 2 things should be fixed very soon. the market cost is broken and is 2x the cost its supposed to be.
still if you specced carefully you should make it through, innless you went into Gallante, then you`ll have a really bad time.
I`ve survived on KDR pretty well considering this is a supportive role like a Logi bro, it shouldn`t get a good KDR but should gain tons of WP/SP......ok we don`t get any where close to the WP we should but its being worked on so hopefully soon.
ignore Hybrid turrets if you going Assualt, the turret you need Is lv5 small missile turret operation, Vehicle command lv?, caldari DS lv5, Assault DS lv1 (don`t upgrade this for bonuses, THERE ARE CHEAPER WAYS), shield root skill 9forgot name) lv5 (it gives 25% + shields) shield extension lv3, shield boost lv5, shield recharge lv5, vehicle engineering lv5, vehicle electronics lv5.
why did I mention vehicle engineering when tis broken? well you going to need that PG because of the bug so you need the Local PG modules, my advice on you fitting:
4x Azotopic shield extenders, 2 ST missile turrets or better, 1 cycled proto missile turret (that's for you), 2 PG diagnostic system (they give 14% + PG and with your skills will help your recharge and shields HP, with the skills I said specced into with these they work decently enough to replace boosters and/or rechargers, escape intothe flight ceiling if necessary). |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1246
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:55:00 -
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The higher flight ceiling isn't broken. It's a means of escape and a way to hunt mountain snipers. All real world pilots use altitude to disengage and DUST is no different. It was the artificial hard ceiling that was broken.
It would only be broken if we could hit someone on the ground and they could not hit us (sort of like how high altitude bombers work). We still need to fly low to perform our mission so it's no different than a tank hiding behind a mountain or infantry hiding behind a wall. Neither can kill while they are hiding. |
Rigor Mordis
Imperial Populicide Legion
31
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:07:00 -
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Skihids wrote:The higher flight ceiling isn't broken. It's a means of escape and a way to hunt mountain snipers. All real world pilots use altitude to disengage and DUST is no different. It was the artificial hard ceiling that was broken.
It would only be broken if we could hit someone on the ground and they could not hit us (sort of like how high altitude bombers work). We still need to fly low to perform our mission so it's no different than a tank hiding behind a mountain or infantry hiding behind a wall. Neither can kill while they are hiding.
I'm finding that several people are claiming this game is hardcore, but, come nut cutting time, the folks with the cool toys are constantly running and hiding.
The pilot are one thing as you said, they should use altitude to disengage, but tanks? Where in the real world do tanks run and hide from each other, much less infantry?
- Where in the real world? I understand it is not the real world, but at the same time, if it were the real world, it would be more understandable to run and hide constantly......... If you weren't sworn to carry out orders and protect one-another.
Another arrow that points out selfish exploiters patting their kdr. SAME exploiters that claim the game is so hardore, etc. that are running and hiding.....in tanks. |
S0LlD SNAKE
PLAYSTATION4
6
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:08:00 -
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Adapt or Die |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
206
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:09:00 -
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Considering how bad this build is... all SP is wasted. |
Rigor Mordis
Imperial Populicide Legion
31
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:12:00 -
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S0LlD SNAKE wrote:Adapt or Die
No SP is wasted....just time spent unwisely. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1246
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:47:00 -
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Rigor Mordis wrote:Skihids wrote:The higher flight ceiling isn't broken. It's a means of escape and a way to hunt mountain snipers. All real world pilots use altitude to disengage and DUST is no different. It was the artificial hard ceiling that was broken.
It would only be broken if we could hit someone on the ground and they could not hit us (sort of like how high altitude bombers work). We still need to fly low to perform our mission so it's no different than a tank hiding behind a mountain or infantry hiding behind a wall. Neither can kill while they are hiding. I'm finding that several people are claiming this game is hardcore, but, come nut cutting time, the folks with the cool toys are constantly running and hiding. The pilot are one thing as you said, they should use altitude to disengage, but tanks? Where in the real world do tanks run and hide from each other, much less infantry? - Where in the real world? I understand it is not the real world, but at the same time, if it were the real world, it would be more understandable to run and hide constantly......... If you weren't sworn to carry out orders and protect one-another. Another arrow that points out selfish exploiters patting their kdr. SAME exploiters that claim the game is so hardore, etc. that are running and hiding.....in tanks.
Infantry hide ever since lining up and shooting in ranks fell out of favor. Modern tanks also dig in and hide when not maneuvering.
Public matches are nothing like real world organized battles. They are more like looting mobs who are out for themselves where individuals are the norm and small groups of friends are occasionally seen.
Those matches have no strategy and precious few tactics.
Mercs hack turrets, then immediately abandon them to be hacked by the enemy, ensuring vehicle pilots get ganked from behind. There is no positional play because everyone wants to be the one with the ball. Thus you get mobs chasing each other around the map like they were a young child's soccer team.
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Rigor Mordis
Imperial Populicide Legion
31
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:28:00 -
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I agree with you there. Somebody called it blob warfare in the past. Its like line harvest, the most evenly balanced map in my opinion, is easily attacked or defended if people understand the basic 5 direction defensive and offensive postures/advances.
Yet time and time again you will see the majority of the mob bumrush the other side through the middle while allowing themselves to be flanked and/or surrounded in the fish bowl.
I agree people are to quick to abandon turrets. There are a few turrets in the OLD build that if they were manned and defended properly could control entire portions of the battlefield.
Military knowledge is one thing, but a lot of people appear to lack common sense. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
205
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:32:00 -
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Brass Stalker wrote:well theres 2min of my life im not gonna get back It took you two minutes to read? |
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